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BainsBane

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76. CCwers don't commit drive bys?
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:22 PM
Jun 2013

Or have public shootouts? Really? Because Geckosfeet is chomping at the bit to have such an option. Those in support of universal CC obviously want anyone to be able to have a gun on them.

So your plan is to kill someone who plans to rob you? Here I thought you were concerned with your life. In that situation, I would simply give the thief my money. Your chances of having that gun used on you are pretty high, as Mother Jones demonstrates. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

New Concealed Carry poll [View all] BainsBane Jun 2013 OP
I apologize for the problems in the first poll BainsBane Jun 2013 #1
I live in a "town" of 59,000 krispos42 Jun 2013 #12
Yeah, it is far more complicated that I realized BainsBane Jun 2013 #19
I support shall-issue CCW with a comprehensive training requirement petronius Jun 2013 #2
So I would put that as option 3 BainsBane Jun 2013 #3
Sounds a lot like the Texas model. oneshooter Jun 2013 #16
Sure does, doesn't it? X_Digger Jun 2013 #22
Thanks for the link - yes, the descriptions of the Texas system that petronius Jun 2013 #29
Except that in Texas it's okay to use that concealed gun to shoot a purse snatcher in the back nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #80
Only at night. Can't do it in daylight. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #88
Why is human life so much less valuable at night in Texas? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #119
I don't know why the legislators wrote the law that way. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #124
What you have described Jenoch Jun 2013 #115
To me, what you say is the best solution. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #202
From swamp to city sarisataka Jun 2013 #4
I guess I don't know what to choose. NutmegYankee Jun 2013 #5
Typically these are folk who keep guns on their person BainsBane Jun 2013 #6
Conn. definently has a different law than most states NutmegYankee Jun 2013 #7
They need to separate the NRA from this crap. LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #128
It's just a standard. NutmegYankee Jun 2013 #134
question. why ask this question at all? is there some new fear about individuals and CC? galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #8
Ask Trayvon Martin BainsBane Jun 2013 #9
ask him what? whats the question? nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #10
What he thinks about concealed carry BainsBane Jun 2013 #11
Some of those statements are bogus. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #18
Nice edit pintobean Jun 2013 #13
First I thought you had selected it as a joke. BainsBane Jun 2013 #17
No, not literally. nt pintobean Jun 2013 #20
right, another writing error BainsBane Jun 2013 #21
In the end, there are more of us here who are against this plague of guns than for them DainBramaged Jun 2013 #14
duck? snooper2 Jun 2013 #15
The key is to spot the attack coming and be ready. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #23
That's not what happens BainsBane Jun 2013 #27
I am talking about common robbery criminals, not deliberate assassins. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #65
CCwers don't commit drive bys? BainsBane Jun 2013 #76
You left out something critical. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #85
I'll admit I'm no black belt in google-fu, Bazinga Jun 2013 #132
You are walking down city street with your gun, how do you recognize "threat?" Hoyt Jun 2013 #28
I thought that was pretty well covered in GSC's post. Bazinga Jun 2013 #33
No wouldn't expect them to be honest about their need to tote and all. Hoyt Jun 2013 #34
Ha.. Pelican Jun 2013 #45
Run! Bazinga Jun 2013 #30
Rule 6 sarisataka Jun 2013 #32
The old "dodge and shoot" technique recommended in gungeon back before gun nuts started going, well, Hoyt Jun 2013 #36
I believe retreat should not be required by law sarisataka Jun 2013 #38
I think it should be required, but especially not endorse stand your ground BS. Hoyt Jun 2013 #43
Precisely: tactical decisions should belong to the individual. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #92
"tactical decisions" Progressive dog Jun 2013 #204
not if they look anything like the guy in the blue shirt in response #233 by BainsBane! CTyankee Jun 2013 #249
If I saw any of those pictured sarisataka Jun 2013 #255
Better than throwing a can of beans at them. rl6214 Jun 2013 #48
It works for me, but you gun lovers don't get to go bang bang. Hoyt Jun 2013 #50
Sure it does, then you will swoop in, disarm the gun owner rl6214 Jun 2013 #53
Your post indicates why mental health care is part of solution. Hoyt Jun 2013 #55
Hey, I'm not the one that said I could do that... rl6214 Jun 2013 #73
You should have written it down clearer -- didn't say I "could" do that, I said I "did it" Hoyt Jun 2013 #81
You need a remedial reading course. Re read post 53 rl6214 Jun 2013 #114
+1000 CokeMachine Jun 2013 #137
Universal TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #24
How many free kills BainsBane Jun 2013 #25
Statistically, that would be a terrible neighborhood.... Pelican Jun 2013 #46
That's per gunner BainsBane Jun 2013 #49
There's no understanding the depths of that paragraph.... Pelican Jun 2013 #52
No BainsBane Jun 2013 #54
Do you have a good example... Pelican Jun 2013 #56
Well, no BainsBane Jun 2013 #57
Then why did you say it? Pelican Jun 2013 #58
Partly irony BainsBane Jun 2013 #59
Do you believe that someone who is willing to commit homicide will be deterred... Pelican Jun 2013 #63
Yes BainsBane Jun 2013 #75
The logical gymnastics you have to perform are amazing... Pelican Jun 2013 #77
It's called examples BainsBane Jun 2013 #78
508 murders committed by CC holders BainsBane Jun 2013 #79
Take a closer look. VPC is lying. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #86
There is a difference between... Pelican Jun 2013 #89
emotional blackmail BainsBane Jun 2013 #94
As for the racial element BainsBane Jun 2013 #60
I assume you mean "stand your ground", not "stand your group". GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #66
It's a license to kill people of color BainsBane Jun 2013 #68
in Florida, most gejohnston Jun 2013 #108
Stand your ground has been evoked by white men who have killed people of color BainsBane Jun 2013 #194
and they went to prison most of the time. gejohnston Jun 2013 #200
like the guy in Texas acquitted for killing a woman BainsBane Jun 2013 #215
newspaper accounts unreliable gejohnston Jun 2013 #219
My source is the same GAO report that Statfor cited BainsBane Jun 2013 #231
Actually, I did read it. gejohnston Jun 2013 #234
ha ha, maybe this is the OP newmember Jun 2013 #135
Most gun control comes from the desire of the ruling white elites to not have armed black folk ceonupe Jun 2013 #160
Think does NOT mean fantasize. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #69
Wow! Just Wow! dumbcat Jun 2013 #98
Check out post #57... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #103
lol newmember Jun 2013 #121
"...Presumably the gunners would conceal their guns to go into neighborhoods like mine Jenoch Jun 2013 #152
Quit it -- you'll mess up her mellow!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #188
I don't know, but I would love to hear ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #26
I support broadening concealed carry rights rrneck Jun 2013 #35
Someone else's words sarisataka Jun 2013 #61
True that. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #74
I like 3 but I voted for 5. Bazinga Jun 2013 #31
I'd like to see equal training provided by those not steeped in guns. Hoyt Jun 2013 #37
Not entirely sure I follow. Bazinga Jun 2013 #39
Nope, I want equal time for someone who doesn't worship/accept gun culture BS. Hoyt Jun 2013 #44
Still not clear. Bazinga Jun 2013 #47
Congress, and everything having to do with guns and gun policy. BainsBane Jun 2013 #62
well that's more clear Bazinga Jun 2013 #136
How did we guess that you'd be for concealed carry? DainBramaged Jun 2013 #41
Life was good in the 18th Century when there were very few laws. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #40
Now the bad people wield power BainsBane Jun 2013 #42
I'm less concerned with the overtly bad than with the morally misguided who believe they are good. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #64
They have killed far more BainsBane Jun 2013 #67
To call that claim hyperbolic would be such an understatement, I don't have an adjective for it. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #71
Naaah, the American Automobile Association has killed more. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #104
The murder rate was much higher. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #70
Indeed it was, and even higher in many parts of Europe. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #72
Shall issue (my vote) & more training. And less hatred in the world. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #51
Now that IL has been shown the error of their ways, HolyMoley Jun 2013 #82
I know. Imagine Illinoisans thinking their residents had a right to live BainsBane Jun 2013 #83
The right to live includes the right to self-defense. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #87
Jesus, quit the dishonest bullshit BainsBane Jun 2013 #90
When someone threatens my life, it doesn't matter how much is in my wallet. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #99
Why does Houston (w/'shall-issue' CCW) have 1/2 the murder rate of 'no-issue' Chicago? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #107
Look up the FBI statistics for El Paso gejohnston Jun 2013 #109
Talk about dishonest bullshit pintobean Jun 2013 #111
It wouldn't occur to a genius like you BainsBane Jun 2013 #91
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #101
Learn something BainsBane Jun 2013 #120
Women aren't the only ones killed. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #125
LOL, only you and your imagination could hand-wave the facts away so creatively. *snort* X_Digger Jun 2013 #112
Wake up BainsBane Jun 2013 #118
So in your fevered imagination, it's CHL holders in TX crossing the MX border to kill women?!? LOL!! X_Digger Jun 2013 #122
No BainsBane Jun 2013 #123
Lol, get your story straight (if you can).. X_Digger Jun 2013 #126
Your dishonestly is repulsive BainsBane Jun 2013 #127
I'm laughing at your fevered imagination- that CHL holders kill undocumented women in the US.. X_Digger Jun 2013 #129
Everything she's posted here is nothing but premium Jun 2013 #131
I had though just overly hyperbolic before this thread.. X_Digger Jun 2013 #138
From my observations pintobean Jun 2013 #140
That's good, then. n/t X_Digger Jun 2013 #141
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #142
I tend to take threats to my life rather personally BainsBane Jun 2013 #187
If you have had threats made to you then you need to report them oneshooter Jun 2013 #209
You also take factual accuracy rather casually: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #213
The Chicago homicide rate for 2013 is significantly down at 34% at the end of May. tammywammy Jun 2013 #218
Granted- but it's still double that of 'shall-issue' Houston. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #224
Separate topic tammywammy Jun 2013 #225
This year BainsBane Jun 2013 #230
Well, good for them- their murder rate is now only about 1.5x that of Houston's. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #240
Well, then we should expect the homicide rate in Chicago BainsBane Jun 2013 #242
It's possible- after all, the murder rate in St. Paul fell after 'shall-issue' went into effect. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #260
I wonder what keeps the Japanese from murdering each other? BainsBane Jun 2013 #243
Possibly their extremely high suicide rate, i.e., they're taking it out on themselves friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #257
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #212
I'm a big supporter of CC, premium Jun 2013 #84
I agree with your "take" on " may issue". roamer65 Jun 2013 #145
Pass MadrasT Jun 2013 #93
38,000 homicides a year BainsBane Jun 2013 #95
Of which 2/3rds of those are suicides, premium Jun 2013 #96
I'm sure you can find a way to discount the rest of those deaths too BainsBane Jun 2013 #97
I'm not trying to discount anything, premium Jun 2013 #100
On your other thread Jenoch Jun 2013 #151
LOL, you people always tend to add the suicide numbers in. To be misleading I assume. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #147
That's really funny BainsBane Jun 2013 #148
He's not laughing about the suicides pintobean Jun 2013 #149
Cool story, bro BainsBane Jun 2013 #150
True story, sis pintobean Jun 2013 #153
Indisputable proof BainsBane Jun 2013 #156
I didn't claim cause and effect pintobean Jun 2013 #157
Right, you just thought I was stupid enough to believe the implication BainsBane Jun 2013 #158
I don't think you're stupid, and I'm not a liar. pintobean Jun 2013 #159
When disproving the claim that liberalized ccw causes an increase in crime, Bazinga Jun 2013 #199
I don't care about property crime BainsBane Jun 2013 #214
"I have seen no evidence provided by anyone." Here you are-the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #223
You do understand that correlation in and of itself is not proof? BainsBane Jun 2013 #236
I'm sorry but you're wrong again. Bazinga Jun 2013 #229
Someone just did make that claim BainsBane Jun 2013 #237
I did not. I demonstrated that your assertions that "CCW increases homicide" is wrong. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #239
They are not demonstrably wrong BainsBane Jun 2013 #241
'Shall-issue' passed in Minnesota, and the murder rate did not increase. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #259
When I have a chance I will search academic databases BainsBane Jun 2013 #244
What's wrong with the FBI's "Crime in The United States" reports? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #258
You mean you did not have evidence at hand when you made your original claim? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #261
I have read reports to that effect BainsBane Jun 2013 #281
You needn't bother- I've already done it, and provided links to same friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #282
how cynical BainsBane Jun 2013 #287
I *am* in favor of universal background checks. Search my posts. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #292
You can stop pretending to look for that non-existant evidence now. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #279
remdi95 BainsBane Jun 2013 #280
Oh, you mean pintobean's post BainsBane Jun 2013 #217
That's twice pintobean Jun 2013 #228
Your pal told me your post was evidence BainsBane Jun 2013 #235
It's been obvious from day one pintobean Jun 2013 #245
Oh, just quit whining BainsBane Jun 2013 #246
That made me lol. pintobean Jun 2013 #247
If you must know BainsBane Jun 2013 #251
That should be good for a laugh for anyone pintobean Jun 2013 #253
Oh the transparency page BainsBane Jun 2013 #256
The difference between "may" issue and "shall issue" gejohnston Jun 2013 #203
I see that you needed to go to Bansalot for help. oneshooter Jun 2013 #102
"My poll wasn't going the way I wanted, plz halp!" n/t Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #105
Even with their help CokeMachine Jun 2013 #110
I don't think that her cohorts in Castle Bansalot premium Jun 2013 #113
That just makes the poll totally useless. pintobean Jun 2013 #106
A link to this poll has been posted in the Gungeon. Happy now? (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #116
Bwahaha! X_Digger Jun 2013 #117
Thanks for the link!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #130
Hey, at least we all seem to agree "May Issue" sucks Recursion Jun 2013 #133
Just for the record... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #139
It seems to me that "calling out the troops" from Castle Bansalot didn't help. oneshooter Jun 2013 #143
So far, she's gotten one reply, premium Jun 2013 #144
"bansalot" BainsBane Jun 2013 #166
they gotta give this up. They aren't fooling anyone... CTyankee Jun 2013 #207
Truth is irrelevant to them BainsBane Jun 2013 #221
Did you see the original of that post? X_Digger Jun 2013 #146
For posterity aikoaiko Jun 2013 #154
Lol, you expecting an imminent self-delete, too? Glad I wasn't the only one. n/t X_Digger Jun 2013 #155
So how do you figure you're side is winning BainsBane Jun 2013 #164
In "Concealed carry" vs "No concealed carry", CC is winning, so there's that. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #165
no BainsBane Jun 2013 #168
112 for CC, 91 against. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #170
Oh, so lesser concealed carry that exists now BainsBane Jun 2013 #172
Sorry, didn't see a "Lesser concealed" option. Or anyone voting for it. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #173
Number 2? BainsBane Jun 2013 #176
Nope. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #177
fine. That's a good option. Let's enforce it. BainsBane Jun 2013 #179
I'd agree to that. Our common ground is far more common than you think, Bains. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #181
That would be awesome! BainsBane Jun 2013 #182
As long as you are talking about very careful testing BainsBane Jun 2013 #183
I wouldn't be opposed to that, with a provision; Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #185
a statewide basis is fine BainsBane Jun 2013 #186
Though number 2 BainsBane Jun 2013 #184
Well it isn't going the way she wanted even after soliciting votes aikoaiko Jun 2013 #167
well, you recruited all kinds of members BainsBane Jun 2013 #169
I recruited nobody. aikoaiko Jun 2013 #205
Probably. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #171
the cognitive dissonance has already kicked in on the pro gun violence side BainsBane Jun 2013 #174
Why don't you just delete again? It'll spare you lots of heartache. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #175
So it is a pissing contest? BainsBane Jun 2013 #178
Well, it was, when you were "winning". Suddenly now it's not? n/t Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #180
Amazing pintobean Jun 2013 #201
guilty BainsBane Jun 2013 #216
#2 is Texas. they limit CC to trained and tested folks. aikoaiko Jun 2013 #206
read downthread BainsBane Jun 2013 #220
Amazingly, I created the various options to try to give people BainsBane Jun 2013 #222
your opponents just can't see that, but it is very clear. CTyankee Jun 2013 #250
Some people never seem to get beyond BainsBane Jun 2013 #254
Wow, your math really sucks, dude. BainsBane Jun 2013 #162
bear with me on this post please virginia mountainman Jun 2013 #161
Oh, a 45 BainsBane Jun 2013 #163
If I can't carry my claymore openly, why should you get to hide your gun? n/t Scootaloo Jun 2013 #189
Hey, excellent point BainsBane Jun 2013 #190
FWIW - Swords were/should be definitely covered... jmg257 Jun 2013 #210
Probably because one needs skill and physical condition to use a sword BainsBane Jun 2013 #226
Since you don't shoot, how would you know that to be fact. oneshooter Jun 2013 #227
Isn't that the point of the new snazzy weapons? BainsBane Jun 2013 #232
This is real competition shooting. what you showed is crap. oneshooter Jun 2013 #252
For example BainsBane Jun 2013 #233
Holy shit! Look at these guys!!! CTyankee Jun 2013 #248
Since you probably didn't bother to look at my post#252. oneshooter Jun 2013 #290
Are you calling senior citizens "indolent slob"s? GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #262
I'm glad your wife is safe BainsBane Jun 2013 #263
If you can conceal it, why not. oneshooter Jun 2013 #211
Not a Gun owner. Notafraidtoo Jun 2013 #191
Interesting poll results. beevul Jun 2013 #192
No, they aren't BainsBane Jun 2013 #193
Interesting group of "DUers" voting yes in this. DanTex Jun 2013 #195
Interesting, isn't it? BainsBane Jun 2013 #196
Well, it is somewhat of on illustration of an "intensity gap" on guns. DanTex Jun 2013 #197
I can't think of any BainsBane Jun 2013 #198
I really don't know why they have such a burning desire to "prove" that they are good Dems. CTyankee Jun 2013 #208
Seriously BainsBane Jun 2013 #238
Ah, now we gave it: Calling in MIRT to expunge those with whom you disagree. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #271
Sigh BainsBane Jun 2013 #272
Ho-hum Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #273
Democratic Party gun policy BainsBane Jun 2013 #276
I have seen little to indicate you are liberal or progressive. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #277
Really? BainsBane Jun 2013 #278
Really. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #283
Your position on this issue is not in line with Democrats BainsBane Jun 2013 #284
More attacks, more animosity, more untruths... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #286
Find one post in which I have ever advocated for banning all guns BainsBane Jun 2013 #289
I have to wonder BainsBane Jun 2013 #285
The calls went out, the trolls heeded the calls, no poll to small to sway DainBramaged Jun 2013 #291
Your 2nd and 3rd options Jenoch Jun 2013 #264
Too late to change now BainsBane Jun 2013 #265
"...some care about training and testing and background checks as a prerequisite." Jenoch Jun 2013 #266
excuse me, I live in that state "without a city" BainsBane Jun 2013 #267
I am trying to understand Jenoch Jun 2013 #268
because I believe much of the divide on guns is between urban and rural/suburban BainsBane Jun 2013 #269
How is disarming people Jenoch Jun 2013 #270
Complete disarmament and repealing the 2nd is extremely fringe. Socal31 Jun 2013 #274
I told her not to pintobean Jun 2013 #275
Yes, it's a temper tantrum. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #288
Reminds me of the Caucasian-Canadian that purported to speak for African-Americans... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #293
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