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jeff47

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44. No, the FISA court can, thanks to the 2010 law.

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:49 AM

Jun 2013

It is ILLEGAL to spy on the American people, with or without a warrant.

Nope.

First, if FBI gets a wiretap warrant, then they are spying on American people. Search warrants also cause law enforcement to spy on American people.

Additionally, Title 50 (which created the intelligence agencies) does not forbid the intelligence agencies from helping title 7 (law enforcement) agencies. So far, all that's been leaked is the NSA is storing the data. Nothing has been leaked about how the data is or has been used, so we don't know if it's being used by title 7 or title 50 entities.

Finally, the metadata belongs to the phone companies, not the American people. So do you now want to extend full Constitutional rights to corporations?

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Last attempt: Defending the NSA's actions REQUIRES that you believe Bush did everything he could, [View all] Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 OP

I think you make a bad assumption. jbond56 Jun 2013 #1

Would Obama have failed, had he been President at the time? nt Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #2

Maybe jbond56 Jun 2013 #5

So you honestly believe that Obama, Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #9

Most likely wouldn't have invaded the wrong country. Saved trillions in treasure, thousands in blood JaneyVee Jun 2013 #12

But you have to consider... kentuck Jun 2013 #28

Arbusto Oil. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #36

Thanks! kentuck Jun 2013 #38

Anytime kentuck! Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #40

Beleiving Snowden is a hero for exposing secrets REQUIRES that you believe Cheney is a hero baldguy Jun 2013 #3

Do you think Bush could have stopped 9/11? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #6

Do you believe Cheney is a hero? baldguy Jun 2013 #8

"I'll bet you'll deflect rather than answer, which will be telling." nt Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #10

Your premise is shit. The fact that it can be dismantled so easily is telling. baldguy Jun 2013 #15

Proceed, baldguy Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #18

Your OP was a strawman. baldguy Jun 2013 #25

So it is your position that Bush could not have stopped 9/11, given the intelligence at his disposal Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #27

"I could while away the hours, confirmin' with the flowers..." baldguy Jun 2013 #30

Exposing CRIMES is not the same thing as exposing Undercover Agents. Would you like me sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #11

Snowden didn't expose any crimes. He made a lot of allegatations, which have been proven to be false baldguy Jun 2013 #14

Oy vey. Which of Snowden's allegations have "been proven to be false"? - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #19

The NSA is not listening to all your phone calls & it is not reading all your emails. baldguy Jun 2013 #23

exactly. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #26

You and I define 'proved' quite differently, as 'proof' for you seemingly consists of HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #29

. baldguy Jun 2013 #31

Wow! Are you being sarcastic or something? No one can be this unaware of what has been sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #20

Try again. baldguy Jun 2013 #24

So....you're now arguing that Snowden leaked false information? jeff47 Jun 2013 #37

Yes, apparently there was a warant, AND THAT'S the PROBLEM!! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #42

No, the FISA court can, thanks to the 2010 law. jeff47 Jun 2013 #44

Omg! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47

Yeah, when the argument goes downhill, it's best to just shout "You're wrong". jeff47 Jun 2013 #48

They wonder why no one talks about NSA laws Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #21

Some people are going to be fine with it and some aren't going to be fine with it. Autumn Jun 2013 #4

I'm not talking about what happened after 9/11. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #7

Oh yes, I agree with you 100% on that. Autumn Jun 2013 #13

Ha! Phlem Jun 2013 #16

PS... Phlem Jun 2013 #17

"The System Was Flashing Red" jberryhill Jun 2013 #22

Explain why you're wrong??? gcomeau Jun 2013 #32

My point is that the tools needed to stop 9/11 existed before 9/11. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #33

So? gcomeau Jun 2013 #34

Golly, that's a really tough strawman to knock down! jeff47 Jun 2013 #35

By 2001, Bin Laden was already responsible for one terrorist attack against Americans. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #39

Again, my position has utterly nothing to do with terrorism. jeff47 Jun 2013 #41

That's scary. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #43

Ah yes, when you don't have an argument, just keep shouting "You're wrong!!!" jeff47 Jun 2013 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jun 2013 #45

I Think...You should stand behind Obama...because he is a good guy. And his wife is smart. Right? Herlong Jun 2013 #49