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+1. nt newfie11 Jun 2013 #1
because BehindTheCurtain76 Jun 2013 #5
Yes. This. djean111 Jun 2013 #2
I don't agree with the course he took (not that he should care about what I think) Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #3
Some people identify with the ruling elites fasttense Jun 2013 #4
One analysis I heard recently theorized that people who don't really understand the leaked info KurtNYC Jun 2013 #6
Could the fourth one just be people who don't want to know? Demit Jun 2013 #8
K&R ! ! ! radiclib Jun 2013 #7
I am the most politically depressed that I have been in a long, long time. If didn't know for Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #9
"If there were any evidence at all..." randome Jun 2013 #10
No evidence of his wild claims??????? Except for these: dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #34
I don't see anything to support Snowden's claim that the NSA is spying on everybody. randome Jun 2013 #36
OK, they're NOT spying on everybody. MattSh Jun 2013 #68
If you want to believe whatever Snowden tells you, fine. randome Jun 2013 #72
The Verizon warrant is evidence. reusrename Jun 2013 #94
It's evidence of something we already knew and had largely dismissed as trivial. randome Jun 2013 #95
No, you should read what I posted. reusrename Jun 2013 #97
So all this... randome Jun 2013 #98
Now you are starting to sound a lot more rational. This is good. reusrename Jun 2013 #99
You point out the possibility of misuse without evidence to suggest it IS being misused. randome Jun 2013 #100
There is also nothing to prevent the possibility of a noble use, either. reusrename Jun 2013 #101
"Instead it is currently being used to thwart the will of the people." randome Jun 2013 #102
I believe we are literally two heartbeats away from a totalitarian state. reusrename Jun 2013 #103
Did you object to people in the Bush administration outing Valerie Plame? pnwmom Jun 2013 #11
As of now, he has done nothing of the sort. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #13
Nice metaphor! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #45
How can you say that? pnwmom Jun 2013 #63
actually Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson have written on this subject Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #16
Yes -- that came out a day before Snowden's pnwmom Jun 2013 #65
But but but ... according to POTUS, PRISM only collects metadata ... Myrina Jun 2013 #24
No, you are incorrect. In the US, without a warrant, only telephone meta-data is collected, pnwmom Jun 2013 #70
Valerie Plame says, "In a way, we as U.S. citizens owe Edward Snowden a thank you.... Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #74
That was written only about internal US surveillance and it was written the day before pnwmom Jun 2013 #75
So, she's changed her mind? Link? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #76
Nope. But she has a brain, and she's a rational, caring person, pnwmom Jun 2013 #77
I'll stick with what she said, not what you think she might think. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #79
Right. What she said about US surveillance the day before Snowden said pnwmom Jun 2013 #80
I'd trust the press a helluva lot more than the NSA/CIA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #84
+ 100 - Well Said cantbeserious Jun 2013 #12
No fan of Snowden but I agree w you on many points emulatorloo Jun 2013 #14
No less a personage than Senator Dianne Feinstein played the 'traitor' HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #49
She's a war profiteering hawk neo-liberal gatekeeper bobduca Jun 2013 #89
you have nailed all of politics Enrique Jun 2013 #15
K&R! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #17
nailed it; "some people identify with the ruling elites,.." Civilization2 Jun 2013 #18
It borders on blasphemy for some. It reflects poorly on their diety. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #19
So strange: it is like nothing I have ever seen , Kolesar Jun 2013 #29
I think a lot of these people who are so angry with Snowden LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #20
You also have an invalid premise Kolesar Jun 2013 #27
No, a winger hack and a paulianite report a story and it's taken at face value and then spun by uponit7771 Jun 2013 #32
nailed it Doctor_J Jun 2013 #86
It's an overactive sense of nationalism. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #21
I'll never understand the people who romanticize him NightWatcher Jun 2013 #22
pretty much Johonny Jun 2013 #33
I haven't heard of him expressing any Randian ideas. reusrename Jun 2013 #96
+1 tallahasseedem Jun 2013 #105
Authoritarian Personality Disorder. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #23
ding, ding, ding! HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #78
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #25
you have an invalid premise Kolesar Jun 2013 #26
I don't think your central premise is as cut-and-dried as you think jeff47 Jun 2013 #28
I'm with you here. Plucketeer Jun 2013 #30
Snowden is an admitted law breaker Progressive dog Jun 2013 #31
And to me, countries are for the most part arbitrary lines drawn on pieces of paper. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #37
That is so incredibly idealistic treestar Jun 2013 #43
Well... redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #46
I only have one citizenship so I don't have options treestar Jun 2013 #52
To me, countries have more to do with form of government nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #54
I'll see your nationalism and raise you Eugene Debs: HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #51
You don't have to be a nationalist Progressive dog Jun 2013 #53
You said, "I am a Nationalist" and I'm responding that I'm like Debs HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55
You Quoted " I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world." Progressive dog Jun 2013 #59
Most, or at least many, whistle blowers are Doctor_J Jun 2013 #87
Ellserg didn't flee to another country, Snowden did Progressive dog Jun 2013 #111
So what? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #112
The plumbers are in Snowden's psychiatrist's office Progressive dog Jun 2013 #113
'Leakers', not whistleblowers. randome Jun 2013 #114
+1000 blackspade Jun 2013 #35
PROPAGANDA woo me with science Jun 2013 #38
Yep. With 100's of billions of $ spent, there is no way they overlooked online discussion forums. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #90
Conservatives usually have difficulty thinking for themselves, and also have difficulty Zorra Jun 2013 #39
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #40
A straw man treestar Jun 2013 #41
I don't care if people commit treason in this country as long as it's in the best interests of the Apophis Jun 2013 #42
Wow. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #58
snowden has done neither frylock Jun 2013 #60
Not sure how that relates to my post, OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #61
tell that to the founding fathers... grasswire Jun 2013 #62
Amen to that. Apophis Jun 2013 #64
Not in this case, however. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #66
Over-reaching governments have never been stopped without people breaking the law Marrah_G Jun 2013 #91
That's ridiculous. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #92
LOL! Marrah_G Jun 2013 #93
None of us have any idea what the collateral fallout of this release is Recursion Jun 2013 #109
You have the soul of a poet: HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #44
Why thank you! redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #47
Pavlovian Partisan Panic? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #48
I think you went a long way to answering the question marions ghost Jun 2013 #50
Rec. Manning also; maybe more so. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #56
its a combo of authoritarian types and Obama devotees (BOGers) quinnox Jun 2013 #57
let's face it; some are paid stooges and apparatchiks grasswire Jun 2013 #67
Flipped> People who are VALIDATED by his actions. Further, you approve of his leaking to China KittyWampus Jun 2013 #69
What? redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #73
I haven't seen strong condemnations ecstatic Jun 2013 #71
i disagree arely staircase Jun 2013 #81
It has nothing to do with his politics, he conspired to do damage to the U.S. still_one Jun 2013 #82
"our adversaries" redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #104
In their support of Syria, Iran, and North Korea. China also has the same reasoning. still_one Jun 2013 #106
Well, they're harboring Snowden for one Recursion Jun 2013 #108
Snowden took a stand and is risking his life Taverner Jun 2013 #83
No, what bothers people is that he is releasing our spying methods to Russia and China. still_one Jun 2013 #107
nationalists vs. internationalists is as big a part of it as authoritarians vs. anti-authoritarians carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #85
I agree Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #88
If Snowden's actions can be shown to have cost lives... Orsino Jun 2013 #110
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