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Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:55 AM

I am the most politically depressed that I have been in a long, long time. [View all]

If I didn't know for absolute certainty that it would do more harm than good - I would withdraw my support from the Democratic Party. But more than 30 years ago I did the third party thing and needless to say, it did not work out well. I'm afraid ours system is simply configured for the two parties. Last time there was a truly successful and lasting third party effort was when Abraham Lincoln led the Republicans to power when the nation was on the brink of civil war. Even a party led by a former President under Teddy Roosevelt could not last. Even a party led by a former Vice President, Henry Wallace quickly faded into obscurity. We simply are and for the foreseeable future a two party system in the U.S.

It is not that I am so shocked and cannot believe the intelligence services are getting way, way, way out of control - even under a Democratic administration. It is not because I personally blame President Obama for this travesty. This is the results of bipartisan post September 11 madness fueled all the more by the explosive growth of the private surveillance industry of what Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson have called the Intelligence Industrial Complex. Just as there came a time when the Democrats realized that they had made a mistake in Vietnam - a mistake caused by cold war bipartisan madness - most Democrats eventually came to the realization that we had to get out of that terrible mistake - I cannot imagine why anyone who would espouse liberal or progressive or even basic eighth grade civics class values - cannot see how dangerous it is to continue down this road into an ever expanding Intelligence Industrial Complex. Quite likely the NSA are already keeping records of every time and place any of us communicate with anyone on the phone or on the Internet or by any electronic means. If they are not already doing this - there is a strong possibility that they are rapidly moving in that direction. Even if the Obama administration does not actively abuse the system very much - it is only a matter of time before it is abused by some future Dick Cheney or John Ashcroft. This massive growth of the Intelligence Industrial Complex can only mean that in time a whole web of clandestine surveillance and ultimately clandestine control will soon encapsulate all of us. Does anyone seriously believe that this meteoric growth of the clandestine services will stop at simply making records of who and when we call and who and when we send E-mails to and when or what websites we might be visiting or searches on the search engines we might be searching? The massive growth of the clandestine private sector industry and the boom of technology - what do people think the future bodes? The Snowden affair gives us the opportunity to stop, appraise and reverse the direction we are heading. But majorities in both parties - the media from Fox News to CNN as well as most of the liberal establishment - are not appraising the situation - Many liberals are now supporting that which only a short time they were denouncing with outrage and fury - So here we are as we sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science…”.


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Read the original Verizon/NSA Top Secret Court order in full:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order





The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19. Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

The court order expressly bars Verizon from disclosing to the public either the existence of the FBI's request for its customers' records, or the court order itself. The order, signed by Judge Roger Vinson, compels Verizon to produce to the NSA electronic copies of "all call detail records or 'telephony metadata' created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad" or "wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls".




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order


Read the original Verizon Court order in full:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order


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