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treestar

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46. Maybe, though attacking posters as proxies for Snowden doesn't seem to be happening
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jun 2013

Maybe attacking people for finding him a hero too quickly. Or just assuming a leaker must be in the right. That does seem to be a premise - the defender will talk immediately about how Snowden exposed "spying on Americans." I think most Snowden defenders take it as established that the NSA programs are wrong, in and of themselves, just because they involve "spying."

One does not have to be an Obama proxy to think the program is not necessarily totally evil, since the program will exist regardless of who is President, until declared unconstitutional or repealed. No attacker ever considers whether Obama might sign a repeal, they simply assume he is spying on them.

I will heartily agree with that Narkos Jun 2013 #1
You were doing so well , til your last para Q?....just another Framer one liner ... pkdu Jun 2013 #2
Teabaggers have little in common with Benjamin Franklin other than the choice in hats. last1standing Jun 2013 #8
Equally , if you take that sound bite from BF to mean there s to be no balance between the two pkdu Jul 2013 #69
Benjamin Franklin was an abolitionist -- before it was popular. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #36
Thank you. I learned some things about BF that I'm pleased to know... pkdu Jul 2013 #70
The Constitution was a compromise. reusrename Jun 2013 #37
No. no no no no no. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #38
I will raise you one DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #3
Ouch! May I borrow that? nt Pholus Jun 2013 #4
by all means DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #5
That one's been taken already... ;) nt Pholus Jun 2013 #6
Yes, I think the two sides meet somewhere around the area flamingdem Jun 2013 #7
Personally, I find the attacks on Snowden and Greenwald to be pointless distractions from the issues last1standing Jun 2013 #18
There could be questions about the NSA programs but no one wants to discuss treestar Jun 2013 #9
That' a hilarious reversal of the situation. Bonobo Jun 2013 #12
Exactly and I just saw a prime example in another thread Union Scribe Jun 2013 #23
It is like the movie "Idiocracy". Bonobo Jun 2013 #25
So make another thread or respond to that post treestar Jun 2013 #47
No one is suggesting that they can't say what they want here within reason. EOTE Jun 2013 #67
If people want to talk about it they can treestar Jun 2013 #43
Again, could Bush have stopped 9/11 with the intelligence provided? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #13
Who knows, but unlikely. treestar Jun 2013 #44
Or, everything the Police State Lite does is fine, because it's Barack Obama! AMIRITE?? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #14
Complete Straw Man treestar Jun 2013 #45
Quiet, you! You have plenty of rights! QC Jun 2013 #60
I think it's been a two sided affair. last1standing Jun 2013 #16
Maybe, though attacking posters as proxies for Snowden doesn't seem to be happening treestar Jun 2013 #46
I think everyone could use some introspection here. last1standing Jun 2013 #52
Congress would have to repeal it treestar Jun 2013 #54
The problem as I see it is mostly defensive. last1standing Jun 2013 #57
What the hell website are you reading? nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #21
No, no, no and no. jeff47 Jun 2013 #10
kick and thanks to jeff47 for honesty NT sigmasix Jun 2013 #17
Why does the belief that Snowden only leaked damaging info make you not want to look into it? last1standing Jun 2013 #20
I'm not saying we should ignore it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #40
Yeah, Snowden is holding back the NSA's GOOD spying programs. mhatrw Jun 2013 #49
Or you know, the one that let us win WWII. jeff47 Jun 2013 #61
the problem with that line of thinking is that by analogy, we, the american people, are Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #62
Only if you think the NSA is spying on us. jeff47 Jun 2013 #63
oh my mistake, I thought we were having a reasonable discussion about the limits Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #66
I thought the internment camps won us WWII. n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #64
Then it sounds like you actually agree with my OP. last1standing Jun 2013 #58
Yeah. The "no, no, no" isn't supported or explained. Orsino Jun 2013 #56
Oh my God! He DECIDED what to leak. mhatrw Jun 2013 #48
The same argument applies to "officials". jeff47 Jun 2013 #59
Speaking of bottom feeding scum... Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #11
If you're asking me, the answer is "no." last1standing Jun 2013 #32
Dimson had a PDB briefing at his cartoon ranch and he didn't want to read it entirely. Amonester Jun 2013 #65
Yes, Gore would have taken the threat seriously. last1standing Jun 2013 #68
@jeremyscahill: This smear campaign against @ggreenwald is utterly despicable. All of the "reporters Hissyspit Jun 2013 #15
How about we agree all this should have been Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #19
Couldn't agree more. last1standing Jun 2013 #22
I agree we need to ask and answer all those questions about the NSA and internal surveillance. pnwmom Jun 2013 #24
I'll agree that we should look into it. last1standing Jun 2013 #29
I don't care about those kind of personal things. But I am worried about what's in the thousands pnwmom Jun 2013 #33
#1. Snowden assassinated his own character. #2. The latest crap about Greenwald is just crap. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #26
I've seen many threads dedicated to only talking about NSA abuses derailed with gossip and insults. last1standing Jun 2013 #30
Agreed, and recc'd...nt GReedDiamond Jun 2013 #27
libertarian porn sounds like the most boring porn ever arely staircase Jun 2013 #28
Libertarian porn would just be masturbation. last1standing Jun 2013 #31
masturbation and rape fantasies mhatrw Jun 2013 #50
All the important stuff only makes people's heads hurt gtar100 Jun 2013 #34
Finally someone showing sense! intaglio Jun 2013 #35
I get your point but... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #39
What's distracting from the real issue is absurd claims like the NSA stores the entire Internet Recursion Jun 2013 #41
No, they won't. sibelian Jun 2013 #42
And the response you left just me on a thread: "NO, MOMMY. YOU'RE NAUGHTY. YOU ARE, YOU, YOU, YOU!" flamingdem Jun 2013 #51
I forgive you flamingdem Jun 2013 #53
Good luck with that. Matariki Jun 2013 #55
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