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BlueStreak

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54. If he wants to be helpful, he should renounce NAFTA and the Pacific deal
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jun 2013

rather than waiting for another another 10 years of pain and suffering by average Americans.

It isn't particularly helpful to throw the LGBT community under the bus, then 20 years later saying "I'm so happy being under the bus for 20 years didn't kill you."

and of course Congess had nothing whatsoever to do with it dsc Jun 2013 #1
He made a campaign commercial directed at Christian groups in which he bragged about DOMA. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #3
Many Presidents, including the current one, exploited homophobic feelings to get votes. The Link Jun 2013 #6
Yep. Reminds me of the "sausage factory" saying. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #8
that makes no sense considering Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #32
what the hell are you talking about? he changed his mind on marriage last fucking year. The Link Jun 2013 #33
Yes. Just two days after NC passed an amendment to their constitution DURHAM D Jun 2013 #41
Okay so Biden MADE Obama change Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #48
Are you implying that Biden has some sort of problem Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #53
Doesn't answer my questions Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #47
I am saying that when it was politically safe for him to do so, he came on board. The Link Jun 2013 #75
Safe? It was before the 2012 election. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #95
Donnie McClurkin as a campaign surrogate absolutely exploited homophobia. The Link Jun 2013 #76
Obama's position on same gender marriage until very recently Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #73
I think Obama's issue was the African American community Freddie Jun 2013 #105
No. It was strong personal discomfort. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #106
It was political because, like it or not he's a politician loyalsister Jun 2013 #116
We'll have to disagree. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #118
Difference he, the current president was not vicious about it. He did not run on the issue and brag Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #64
Having a surrogate like McClurkin wasn't vicious? The Link Jun 2013 #74
"Surrogate"? Really? Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #94
Exactly!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #109
No. Elton John performed for Rush Limbaugh. Does that make him vicious? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #108
This doesn't sound like someone who's vicious... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #110
Vey true. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #112
Only Bill Clinton signed it into law. He was for it before he was against it I guess. nt bike man Jun 2013 #10
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve scorn, but a veto would have been over ridden boston bean Jun 2013 #19
To be honest, he did later express regret at signing it. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #59
Lt. Gen DeWitt is said to have expressed regret for his actions, too. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #79
No he didn't. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #98
That's why I wrote OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #111
pressure from his *girls*? pressure from his donors more likely. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #83
I recall an article that quotes Obama saying ... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #96
yeah, politicians always make major political decisions based on what their 12-year-olds tell them. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #107
Guess what, you're wrong again. Link... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #113
guess what, nice story, & i don't believe it. politicians don't make major political decisions HiPointDem Jun 2013 #114
Obama admitted he was wrong. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #115
guess what. nothing to do with obama being right or wrong. political decisions aren't made HiPointDem Jun 2013 #120
And a veto would have put him on record as 'this is a bad bill, won't be approved by me because bike man Jun 2013 #101
That was my point. boston bean Jun 2013 #104
How very absurd! Of course Congress shares responsibility. But Pres. Clinton and Ms. Clinton rhett o rick Jun 2013 #11
I would imagine so since her court appointments would like have been as liberal as Obama's dsc Jun 2013 #16
Nobody forced him to sign it. He bears considerable responsibility. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #78
He tried to permit gays to openly serve dsc Jun 2013 #84
Ever heard of a god damned veto? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #86
every heard of veto proof margins dsc Jun 2013 #87
Ever heard of standing on principle? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #88
I am not saying he shouldn't have or couldn't have vetoed dsc Jun 2013 #89
Probably. However, after making a stand Coccydynia Jun 2013 #97
Yeah that was pretty hypocritical there... As Colbert put it... PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #2
I like Bill, but he certainly knew how to play politics to his advantage. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #5
that is a total lie dsc Jun 2013 #7
... and he couldn't have vetoed it? Myrina Jun 2013 #13
He could have but it would have been overridden dsc Jun 2013 #15
You DO know who Stephen Colbert is, right? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #38
So what if it was overriden? AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #67
the law would still exist dsc Jun 2013 #85
Was the 1996 congress up in front of a microphone somewhere talking about how great it was this was AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #99
well actually Pat Leahy who voted for it dsc Jun 2013 #100
Oh, I'm sure they did. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #102
Thank you Hillary Clinton.Look at what Rand Paul said against it(bring a barf bag Rand is fuming mad graham4anything Jun 2013 #4
What thanks does Ms. Clinton deserve? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #12
Elton John has said she is a major supporter & Elton is the #1 fundraiser for AIDS in the world graham4anything Jun 2013 #17
Elton John supports NAFTA? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #22
One thing is sure, after both court rulings, LBJ has moved to #1 as the greatest president of all. graham4anything Jun 2013 #23
Elton John support LBJ? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #24
Well, not sure about his support for LBJ, but we know he supports Limbaugh! bullwinkle428 Jun 2013 #36
Yep. Phlem Jun 2013 #93
Hardly. See: "Conflict, VietNam." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #39
Politicians... whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #9
he did acknowledge this fact, maybe a few months ago, and that he had since had a change of heart. unblock Jun 2013 #14
+1. FORWARD, not harping on the past and going backward. graham4anything Jun 2013 #21
Clinton is an azzhat. How is this a surprise. Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #37
Hillary is her OWN person. She is not owned by anyone. graham4anything Jun 2013 #43
CORRECT Skittles Jun 2013 #49
i'm sure he has sleepless nights about this now, along with Rwanda and all the other crap Whisp Jun 2013 #65
i tend to think most politicians make most big decisions based on politics rather than conviction unblock Jun 2013 #90
If he becomes contrite over his signing the Glass-Steagall repeal duffyduff Jun 2013 #119
He has made amends. William769 Jun 2013 #18
"...of our time" is a pretty low bar. imho. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #61
Ok, my time. William769 Jun 2013 #62
Whatever you like. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #63
No, he hasn't. Orsino Jun 2013 #117
Slick Willy. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #20
In Clinton's first few months in Office he spent much of his political capital trying to allow gays Bandit Jun 2013 #25
... William769 Jun 2013 #26
Thank you. DURHAM D Jun 2013 #35
Took the words out of my mouth.... PennsylvaniaMatt Jun 2013 #40
Mixed bag. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #68
Yeah, thanks a lot Bill. AndyA Jun 2013 #27
I am glad Bill Clinton has seen the error of his ways. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #28
He said, when signing it, he didn't like the law Recursion Jun 2013 #29
What are you trying to do, wreck a photo op? Octafish Jun 2013 #30
As a long time LGBT activist I find this sort of OP title very sad DURHAM D Jun 2013 #31
that would spoil the rant. graham4anything Jun 2013 #45
Passing a Constitutional amendment is no easy feat. It takes years Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #46
Yes. And at the time it was not just possible it was probable. DURHAM D Jun 2013 #50
I disagree. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #70
Let me see if I get your point. We should thank Pres Clinton for 17 years of DOMA rhett o rick Jun 2013 #69
If we had had the constitutional amendment dsc Jun 2013 #103
Didn't he use DOMA for his re-election? malaise Jun 2013 #34
Spot on, malaise. closeupready Jun 2013 #44
Neither Clinton is a liberal. Apophis Jun 2013 #51
Neither is the current President. DURHAM D Jun 2013 #52
Yes. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #72
He did indeed sign it, I remember - it was like nothing to him, closeupready Jun 2013 #42
If he wants to be helpful, he should renounce NAFTA and the Pacific deal BlueStreak Jun 2013 #54
More importantly how does Ms. Clinton stand on NAFTA and the Pacific deal? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #56
As far as we know, she is also a "New Democrat" BlueStreak Jun 2013 #58
That's ok DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #55
Whats that say about President Obama? William769 Jun 2013 #66
Hey, Bill: Take your wife and go on a long vacation bigwillq Jun 2013 #57
+1 AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #60
No shit. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #71
Yep...what you said.... The empressof all Jun 2013 #77
1%er 4Q2u2 Jun 2013 #80
++++++++++++ Whisp Jun 2013 #91
He was a moderate Republican back then...or so it would seem, anyway? I have no explanation for his silvershadow Jun 2013 #81
I wonder whether he would praise the exoneration of Ricky Ray Rector, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #82
And we're still dealing with his Phlem Jun 2013 #92
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