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ProSense

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74. I like this part:
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jun 2013
The irony of someone purportedly dedicated to privacy and human rights aiding the Chinese government grew even starker while Snowden was in Hong Kong. Last week, Human Rights Watch issued a report condemning a massive surveillance campaign undertaken by the Chinese government in Tibetan villages, which results in political re-education of those who may question the Communist regime and the establishment of partisan security units. “These tactics discriminate against those perceived as potentially disloyal, and restrict their freedom of religion and opinion,” Human Rights Watch wrote.

But hey, that’s just real life, not the Internet privacy that concerns Snowden. And, of course, the level of the Chinese government’s surveillance and control of their citizens’ use of the Internet is almost an art form. Just six months ago, China’s legislative body, the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, adopted the “Decision to Strengthen the Protection of Online Information.” The new rules, which Human Rights Watch says “threaten security and privacy of internet users,” require telecommunications providers to collect reams of personal information about customers who sign up for Internet, landline, or cell-phone service. The law also requires for the providers to insure they have the ability to immediately identify the real names of people who post comments under pseudonyms. Guess why? “In the days following the decision,’’ Human Rights Watch reported, “several well-known online activists found that their weibo micro-blogging accounts had been shut down.’’

As for Russia, the crackdown on public activism has intensified in recent months, which, again, has led to Human Rights Watch issuing a report just a few weeks before Snowden landed in Moscow. “The crackdown is threatening civil society,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The EU has spoken out strongly in recent months, but now is the time to directly call on Russia’s leadership to revise restrictive laws and stop the harassment of independent groups.” Primarily, the Russians are going after hundreds of rights groups and related activist organizations as part of a massive campaign to force them to register as foreign agents. “The authorities are seeking to define ‘political’ so broadly as to make any involvement in public life that is not controlled by the government off-limits,” Williamson said. “They are also trying to tarnish groups with the ‘foreign agents’ label, which in Russia can only mean ‘spy.’”


And what about Ecuador? Why, just two weeks ago, this country that is apparently on Snowden’s list of possible future homes passed new rules that impede free expression. The statute, called the Communications Law, prohibits anyone from disseminating information through the media that might undermine the prestige or credibility of a person or institution (you know, like revealing a government-sponsored surveillance program). The law also places burdens on journalists, making them subject to civil or criminal penalties for publishing information that serves to undermine the security of the state (you know, like revealing a government-sponsored surveillance program).

It's fascinating to watch people cheering these countries because the "stuck it" to the U.S.

Ecuador Says Snowden Asylum Document Unauthorized
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023110603

Good article--I remember some of that stuff VERY clearly.... MADem Jun 2013 #1
LOL. China is bad. Therefore, we must allow our own government to spy on us. Gotcha. PSPS Jun 2013 #2
How 'bout nsa is not all bad, and we will lose out on critical intelligence flamingdem Jun 2013 #3
NSA not all bad, therefore we must let it do whatever is required, no matter how awful MNBrewer Jun 2013 #5
Holy Shit Is That Person Still Using Nerd Butt? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #7
I was considering changing to nerd arse nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #9
It's the popular new term at the "cool kids table" in the Jr. High School lunch room, I guess. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #11
They must say it in between flipping their hair. HangOnKids Jun 2013 #15
No, I think the cool kids are the ones ragging on members in the Barack Obama Group. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #17
oh, my sides!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #19
I hope that there's a lot of examination and rethinking about surveillance flamingdem Jun 2013 #8
Many Here Understand Plenty HangOnKids Jun 2013 #20
Oh so you're into sarcasm that's not easy to decipher flamingdem Jun 2013 #22
Gee Your Word Salad Is Mighty Tasty HangOnKids Jun 2013 #26
It goes well with blue links and copy pasta. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #62
Oh Binka... SidDithers Jun 2013 #100
Not just one zombie, I think he/she split into 3 flamingdem Jun 2013 #103
Yes, that "critical intelligence" in my email and phone calls. Gotcha. PSPS Jun 2013 #12
wtf? Just read the article, it nuanced, your list isn't!! nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #14
Nuance...a fancy French word for "grab your ankles" MNBrewer Jun 2013 #16
so you didn't read the article. too bad, you might have learned something KittyWampus Jun 2013 #18
Whose perspective, is the question... MNBrewer Jun 2013 #21
How's this for fucking "nuance" MNBrewer Jun 2013 #23
Snowdinistas are few and far between flamingdem Jun 2013 #24
Love your appropriation of lingo MNBrewer Jun 2013 #25
You mean for Democratic Party Election wins? flamingdem Jun 2013 #27
Partei, Partei, über Alles. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #28
MNBrewer seems to be an ally of Hangonkids flamingdem Jun 2013 #29
And KittyWampus and Whisp and Cha and sheshe2 seem to be your BFFs HangOnKids Jun 2013 #31
I Think We Must Stop Our "Secret Club" They Are On To Us! n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #32
That's not the point. Snowden has shot himself in the foot by taking the focus off the information pnwmom Jun 2013 #40
As long as he hasn't shot himself in the balls like he said leakers should be shot Cha Jun 2013 #48
hard to know-- maybe that was a game he was playing to get in with the right people NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #77
... MH1 Jun 2013 #88
No, it's not hard at all. Cha Jun 2013 #94
he just had a convenient change of heart? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #99
Yes, prior to this, nobody knew there even was a NSA. PSPS Jun 2013 #50
I'm not saying you should be happy IF NSA is doing what Greenwald/Snowden claim in the US. pnwmom Jun 2013 #55
I guess the government admitting to the programs aim nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #56
no, therefore snowden shouldn't committ espionage on their behalf arely staircase Jun 2013 #63
your government isn't spying on you snooper2 Jun 2013 #70
We are heading into a Cold War with China the same way we did with the USSR Taverner Jun 2013 #4
Wouldn't it make some sense to have an intelligence edge to smooth things out? flamingdem Jun 2013 #6
If we did, it should all be public Taverner Jun 2013 #54
GREAT article! Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #10
I think some of us intuited this flamingdem Jun 2013 #13
How astutely said railsback Jun 2013 #30
Yes, very personal attacks flamingdem Jun 2013 #34
Yeah, the hypocrisy is stunning. railsback Jun 2013 #37
Snowden and Greenwald are negative angle? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #33
waiting for your twin to chime in flamingdem Jun 2013 #35
Waiting for your Heathers! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #36
I've determined you are very odd flamingdem Jun 2013 #38
Posting In The Mirror Again? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #39
Sure you do Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #91
Thank you for an excellent article full of the historical background and context pnwmom Jun 2013 #41
So, if US cyber-spying on China is OK because it is in the interest of the US, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #42
The Chinese hacked next gen weaponry blueprints somehow flamingdem Jun 2013 #43
I don't know. How do you know? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #44
I know because I've been alive a loong time flamingdem Jun 2013 #45
in other words, you don't know fuckall.. frylock Jun 2013 #59
Jury Results flamingdem Jun 2013 #71
3 -3? Scurrilous Jun 2013 #76
gosh, what a relief frylock Jun 2013 #78
quote: If frylock can't debate without being a dick, he should be shown the door by MIRT. flamingdem Jun 2013 #79
well, better luck tomorrow, eh? frylock Jun 2013 #80
I like the smell of baked woodchuck in the flamingdem Jun 2013 #81
lol yeah, i've been here a minute.. frylock Jun 2013 #83
truth is flamingdem Jun 2013 #84
you're probably right. frylock Jun 2013 #86
I had to endure a meeting last night flamingdem Jun 2013 #90
By tacit agreement, all countries spy but no country admits it. FarCenter Jun 2013 #67
That is juvenile. And it completely disregards rights of individuals and JDPriestly Jun 2013 #92
China spying on the U.S. creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #95
But it doesn't work out for the people, whether Chinese or American. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #98
K&R I love Vanity Fair Number23 Jun 2013 #46
@#$% Vanity Fair Fascists. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #60
but.. but.. a half billion Chinese women can't be wrong! flamingdem Jun 2013 #73
ugh, these are the same sources which said Mark Zuckerberg was handsome and his Chinese American JI7 Jun 2013 #96
I do remember that flamingdem Jun 2013 #97
I just saw that on another site.. Kurt Eichenwald is so over Ed Snowden.. Cha Jun 2013 #47
Don't care about the Snowden Opera. I do care about STELLARWIND TalkingDog Jun 2013 #49
yes, there do seem to be endless attempts to make the story about Snowden, not the spying NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #68
A very well-reasoned demolition of Snowden's absurd presumptuousness BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #51
Directing us to books by the Rand Corporation!?! Really? Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #52
Article is worth the read LeftInTX Jun 2013 #53
LOL - ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #58
As I told you before... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #57
I have very few issues with exposing domestic surveillance. haele Jun 2013 #66
You know reading foreign press on this has been fascinating nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #72
Pretty sure it has links. Vanity Fair always seems to run exposes on the financial or MIC corps haele Jun 2013 #75
Well it could be a slow hang out nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #87
Reports are that his data has been taken in China flamingdem Jun 2013 #89
the damage this traitor has done to this country is stunning. arely staircase Jun 2013 #61
oh BS-- like they didn't know. NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #64
apparantly they didn't know the specific IP addresses, given their glee at finding out arely staircase Jun 2013 #69
where does it say he gave out IP addresses? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #82
in his interview with a Chinese newspaper arely staircase Jun 2013 #85
Thanks... although I thought you meant IP addresses of US computers NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #93
Kick and REC! zappaman Jun 2013 #65
I like this part: ProSense Jun 2013 #74
The whole sordid tale reeks of hypocrisy.. DCBob Jun 2013 #101
I smelt this guy Snowden a fake from the very beginning n/t. But didn't realize his stupidity. JackN415 Jun 2013 #102
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