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Tierra_y_Libertad

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22. Then, why, pray tell, is the NSA keeping its doings secret.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jun 2013

They seem quite alarmed by Snowden's revelations that they are now under "scrutiny".

Not really. I'm of the school of thought, 'Question all authority.' closeupready Jun 2013 #1
So what part of the Democratic platform appeals to you, then? Recursion Jun 2013 #2
Wait - what? That wasn't what you asked us. closeupready Jun 2013 #3
Post #2 was a different question from my OP Recursion Jun 2013 #4
I participate on DU primarily as a traditional liberal, a gay man, closeupready Jun 2013 #48
Expanding government to help the poor, protect us from predatory corporations, etc. alarimer Jun 2013 #113
If ya gotta ask................... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #5
Is the question.... daleanime Jun 2013 #6
Very good question. I was thinking of "the government" in abstract Recursion Jun 2013 #9
Actually it depends on the 'surrounding' instutions.... daleanime Jun 2013 #82
OK, well most of those sound dysfunctional right now Recursion Jun 2013 #83
"A crack in our coalition" CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #7
I don't know about "objective"; the impetus was my seeing people here saying they have no trust... Recursion Jun 2013 #10
Thanks for clarifying. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #47
How about: It depends on the party in power. Pholus Jun 2013 #8
Really?!? didact Jun 2013 #61
Sorry. Attempt to point out that even if you completely trust Pholus Jun 2013 #63
"Our side" is abusing it. alarimer Jun 2013 #114
Agreed, but there is the "fig leaf" of legality. Pholus Jun 2013 #118
PASS Martin Eden Jun 2013 #11
Fair enough (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #12
Agreed... KansDem Jun 2013 #41
The government isn't a single homogenous entity NoOneMan Jun 2013 #13
Just clarifying, did you mean "you shouldn't blindly trust"? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #14
Yep. :) NoOneMan Jun 2013 #21
No, trust and government don't belong in the same statement. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #15
Then why the hell are we even *talking about* the Government running health care? Recursion Jun 2013 #17
We shouldn't trust the government to run health care NoOneMan Jun 2013 #23
What does "transparently" mean? Recursion Jun 2013 #25
It means being able to observe the flow of funds, contracts, payouts, wait times per procedure, etc. NoOneMan Jun 2013 #31
OK, but a President Santorum would still have the capability to get your health record Recursion Jun 2013 #33
Yes, depending on how such records are kept (provided that they are kept) NoOneMan Jun 2013 #43
If you use insurance to pay for your doctor visit, Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #84
And if I use a phone company to call a number, that fact isn't going to be private Recursion Jun 2013 #85
The distinction is quite clear Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #87
Verizon sure as hell needs to know Recursion Jun 2013 #88
The *people* at Verizon don't have to know who you call Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #89
Well hell, the *people* at the NSA don't know who I call either Recursion Jun 2013 #90
There's a huge difference Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #92
No One wants the government to "run health care" we just want them to act as a single payer Dragonfli Jun 2013 #49
I do. I want a USNHS Recursion Jun 2013 #55
I do, too. n/t pampango Jun 2013 #67
I have studied single payer and living just across the river from Ft. Erie Canada, Dragonfli Jun 2013 #78
I'm talking about government as payer and even then obviously you must have safeguards, TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #93
Oh so THAT'S why you phrased the question "more simply"! sibelian Jun 2013 #98
I was condensing where an earlier OP went Recursion Jun 2013 #99
In a democracy the people should neither trust nor fear their government. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #16
So that's a "no" on single payer from you? Recursion Jun 2013 #18
No. What gives you that idea? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #19
Nobody's "above scrutiny" Recursion Jun 2013 #20
Then, why, pray tell, is the NSA keeping its doings secret. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #22
I assume they know what's in the other documents Snowden has Recursion Jun 2013 #27
Another example: Nixon's plumbers. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #32
"nobody's above scrutiny"? SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #36
Why do you trust the HHS but not the military? Recursion Jun 2013 #37
The military dosn't NEED to be trustworthy to function. sibelian Jun 2013 #66
You would trust a private insurance company Enthusiast Jun 2013 #40
I trust both in general to obey the law Recursion Jun 2013 #42
Oh my gosh Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #96
Hell no. There can be no democracy without transparency and accountability. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #24
At this point in history, it appears Enthusiast Jun 2013 #26
So should we stop seeking government solutions to social problems? Recursion Jun 2013 #29
Do you realize that if you are the only one not "getting it", maybe the routine is getting boring? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #35
I'm hardly the only DUer troubled by libertarian talking points on this board (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #39
Social libertarianism has been an intrinsic part of the Democratic Party for ages NoOneMan Jun 2013 #46
No, we should try to get control of the reins of government. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #44
I trust "government" slightly more than "private enterprise", but tularetom Jun 2013 #28
A better question is: Should the government be based on the trust of those in power? Salviati Jun 2013 #30
So why should I trust the government with my health records? Recursion Jun 2013 #34
Why do you trust anyone with your health records? Salviati Jun 2013 #45
But most people do want terrorist plots stopped before they happen Recursion Jun 2013 #86
I trust it more than your average tea partier does, but less than I used to. As a liberal, pampango Jun 2013 #38
No, the Gov't absolutely cannot be trusted Hydra Jun 2013 #50
OF COURSE NOT. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #51
Gods no. No one can be trusted. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #52
I get your point treestar Jun 2013 #53
Government is a huge category BainsBane Jun 2013 #54
Too simply. Orsino Jun 2013 #56
Everyone who votes no or hell no needs to stop whining about single payer. Now. DevonRex Jun 2013 #57
Only a moron would place their trust in the government--any government. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #60
LOL! Guess you haven't seen the tie-in between the faux-IRS/NSA scandals and DevonRex Jun 2013 #62
I don't care who tea baggers trust or mistrust DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #64
That's really silly since they have representatives in Congress who vote DevonRex Jun 2013 #72
You seem to be very 'bagger-controlled. I'm just not. Have fun with it. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #81
Yeah I'm not worried about SS or publuc option as they aren't doing anything evil. sibelian Jun 2013 #68
Neither is the connection they're drawing between the IRS being the agency who "implements" DevonRex Jun 2013 #74
Sometimes they make a few right decisions bigwillq Jun 2013 #73
Trusting the MIC isn't at all the same as Union Scribe Jun 2013 #97
Thomas Jefferson told us to NEVER "trust" the government, bvar22 Jun 2013 #58
Nope (nt) bigwillq Jun 2013 #59
I think it's possible (and preferable) to be able to trust government, but our system.... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #65
AHEM. ahEM ahEM. sibelian Jun 2013 #69
Hell No...... ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #70
To do the wrong thing most of the time? Absolutely. REP Jun 2013 #71
My opinion is that when the cheating and lying party became successful in cheating on elections Cleita Jun 2013 #75
No - Domestic Surveillance, VRA, Wall Street, NDAA, etc ... cantbeserious Jun 2013 #76
Do you trust a pound to weigh a pound? aquart Jun 2013 #77
Government can be trusted a hell of a lot more than corporations. baldguy Jun 2013 #79
Hmm, Trust,......no eaglesclaw Jun 2013 #80
Depends on what we're talking about, of course. Can they be trusted to inspect food? Marr Jun 2013 #91
Oh but that's NO FAIR! You won't play along w OP's silly, childishly reductive game kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #94
The control of our government by profit motivated wealthy private interests makes the government Zorra Jun 2013 #95
Back when it was WE the people, before they the corporations took over ileus Jun 2013 #100
Difficult question. Trust must be earned. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #101
In theory, yes. In practice, it's hard. rucky Jun 2013 #102
Wasn't this one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment? HiddenAgenda63 Jun 2013 #103
So I've heard, though I'm not a fan of that particularly Recursion Jun 2013 #106
I much prefer mine locked away securely in my home... HiddenAgenda63 Jun 2013 #115
Wow. This OP sure attracted the pros. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #104
The political side or the functional side? moondust Jun 2013 #105
That's a good distinction, though I haven't seen many departments where the pol side has much power Recursion Jun 2013 #109
Forest Service? Park Service? Education? Transportation? Cerridwen Jun 2013 #107
So which parts do you trust more than others, and why? Recursion Jun 2013 #108
Out of the hundreds of US agencies you want me to post Cerridwen Jun 2013 #110
Huh? I'm trying to push back against "government is evil". Recursion Jun 2013 #111
My apologies. I'll change the pronoun. Cerridwen Jun 2013 #112
It appears, from the poll results, that we have a problem. "We hold these truths to be self-evident Zorra Jun 2013 #116
In a nutshell malokvale77 Jun 2013 #117
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