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jmowreader

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113. I have worked for the NSA
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jun 2013

In the pre-Dubya days, even if we'd have wanted to spy on Americans we couldn't have because we didn't have the assets to do it.

Army strategic signals intelligence is run by NSA. Your equipment belongs to them, your pay comes from them, your tasking and mission comes from them, the award for best unit (the Travis Trophy, otherwise known as the Stanley Cup because it looks like the top foot of the Stanley Cup) is presented by DIRNSA, and your unit has an NSA address. Unfortunately, your drug test requirements come from both NSA and the Army, so we pissed in cups about once a month.

They require you to attend Operations Security training at least once a year if your site is in a Safe location, as listed in the Directory of SIGINT Facilities. Risky sites are trained every six months, and Dangerous sites every quarter. I worked at a Dangerous site. Most places are Risky. A lot goes into the determination, and the number of enemy agents is very high on the list.(I don't know if the Agency has a site in Vienna - this isn't a plausible deniability thing, I really don't know - but Vienna, for some reason, draws spies like honey draws flies so Vienna, peaceful Vienna, would have been Dangerous.)

One very long part of this training is in recognizing someone who works for the other side. There are several big indicators that someone is vulnerable to an approach.

The big one is financial problems. This goes two ways. One is debts no honest man could pay. The other is living beyond your means. Most spies are motivated by money.

Next is ideology, which is Jonathan Pollard's deal.

Another is revenge. There's a theory out there that Booz Allen was planning to get rid of Snowden before his probationary period was over, and he found out about it. I don't think revenge was the only factor here; with the amount of information he has, he couldn't have collected it all in just a couple of weeks.

The big one in Snowden's case is blackmail. Homosexuality, in the days the Army would throw you out without question for it, was a huge one..."you do what we say or we'll tell your commander you're gay" worked even if you weren't gay. Hetero sex worked too. Remember Clayton Lonetree, the Marine security guard who went to Leavenworth for letting the Soviets into the Moscow Embassy cipher room? He was screwing KGB majors without realizing who they were, and they threatened to expose him. Snowden's got colleges on his CV that deny he went there and who knows what else. If someone threatens to expose you if you don't go along and tells you you'll go to prison if you're exposed or even if you report contact, you'll likely go along.

Greenwald looks like a straight money approach; Snowden, some mix of blackmail and revenge.

I occasionally disagree with Greenwald, but that NY Daily News article is shit, nothing but JaneyVee Jun 2013 #1
No. Character exposure. lumpy Jun 2013 #4
Does his character or past activities put the lie... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #67
... Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #70
What parts of it are false? FarCenter Jun 2013 #5
Not necessarily false, just not newsworthy. What is the reason for that author to even write it? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #12
i think the line of thought is along the lines of Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #74
Come on...if that was Dick Cheney's CV, or Bill O'Reilly's, this place would be on fire. MADem Jun 2013 #81
It's also a good explanation why GiGi literally *hates* government that taxes its people BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #101
I will admit, I didn't know much about this guy at all, but the more I read, the more I say MADem Jun 2013 #111
I agree. And haven't we all considered going into the porn business at some point? n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #6
Especially to pay our back taxes BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #9
haha BenzoDia Jun 2013 #14
It's one way to get started in the flamingdem Jun 2013 #50
I don't care. He's a good journalist. closeupready Jun 2013 #2
Well what do you know... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #3
This is NOT the "next step in character assassination". OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #33
Agreed - tacky tabloid journalism that is a huge fail emulatorloo Jun 2013 #86
People should read orignals, rather than second hand accounts FarCenter Jun 2013 #90
I am just amused by the predictability of all nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #91
Could Bush have stopped 9/11, had he listened to his intelligence briefings? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #7
I don't understand why I am supposed to care. dkf Jun 2013 #8
Because it's Greenwald and his character must be impeached to cast doubt neverforget Jun 2013 #16
Oh sorry...must march in lockstep. dkf Jun 2013 #17
Absolutely. The NSA loves us. neverforget Jun 2013 #21
It's because Glenn Greenwald is gay and ran a porn business and gay sex is ICKY MNBrewer Jun 2013 #36
Greenwald has made money from porn so the NSA doesn't spy on us? cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #10
Greenwald responds: LeftInTX Jun 2013 #11
So his responses are:1)It was SO long ago. 2)A reporter "SOMEHOW" found some things - imagine THAT!1 UTUSN Jun 2013 #87
I don't hold reporters in the same esteem as I hold elected officials LeftInTX Jun 2013 #88
st glen?!1 can.t be!1 nt UTUSN Jun 2013 #13
Wha1t's!1wro08ngwithpo111!11n? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #37
epic fucking fail.. frylock Jun 2013 #15
PORN?!?! O NOZ... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #18
you know what? imma kick and rec this.. frylock Jun 2013 #19
Lol The DAILY NEWS! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #20
At least he's not a values based US Senator who pays hookers to change his diapers, Autumn Jun 2013 #22
But it's not about him!!!! treestar Jun 2013 #23
The message is NEVER reflective of the messenger railsback Jun 2013 #24
rec this shit up of you support it.. frylock Jun 2013 #26
Well this certainly convinces me that Greenwald Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #25
THIS IS NOT ABOUT GREENWALD OR SNOWDEN. STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT. Th1onein Jun 2013 #27
Yes, this thread is about Greenwald. Read the OP. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #28
"On Glenn Greenwald, and Shooting the Messenger" deurbano Jun 2013 #29
So you've proved your ability to spread hurtful, yet pointless, gossip. last1standing Jun 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #31
You should post here: dkf Jun 2013 #32
OMG those are hysterical. MelungeonWoman Jun 2013 #44
good ones there Thanks :) lunasun Jun 2013 #48
So great. And so great to see so many people supporting him. Thank yooooo! Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #52
Par for the course and no surprise. Thanks for the heads up. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #34
No, the intelligent response is: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #41
"Records show the IRS has an $85,000 lien against him." kentuck Jun 2013 #35
I think it came out in "court papers" as a result of a lawsuit. MADem Jun 2013 #83
Don't like Greenwald...however, he's not the traitor here. Narkos Jun 2013 #38
Who gives a flying... 99Forever Jun 2013 #39
Reccing for pure, unadulterated BULL SHIT SMEAR MACHINE ProPaganda!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #40
That's it? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #42
A counterintelligence officer wouldn't laugh this off jmowreader Jun 2013 #43
^ thanks. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #45
I always wondered what spies look like. Demit Jun 2013 #80
I have worked for the NSA jmowreader Jun 2013 #113
Another recommend... MelungeonWoman Jun 2013 #46
This place is really turning rank. Cheap, ugly little smears. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #47
BFD. Doesn't change my opinion of him at all. n/t Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #49
@jeremyscahill: This smear campaign against @ggreenwald is utterly despicable. All of the "reporters Hissyspit Jun 2013 #51
Now there's a surprise. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #56
Someone pointing out the smear campaign surprises you? Dragonfli Jun 2013 #61
He is what is he is and I don't hate anyone. Example: '"80's Republican" now registered Democratic' ucrdem Jun 2013 #62
I was refering to a politician that told us outright that his views would be considered those of an Dragonfli Jun 2013 #63
Yes, on my list since 2008. I've discussed him here before. Here are two links ucrdem Jun 2013 #64
More baseless slanderous accusations from you. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #73
This is the same guy who puts civil libertarians nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #93
This one is a piece of work -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jun 2013 #72
as does every "nothing to hide" surveillance suckup on this board frylock Jun 2013 #108
Fuck this shit. He can publish whatever he wants. Snowden is the problem. Narkos Jun 2013 #53
So Greenwald is a tax cheat who peddled porn Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #54
Where did Greenwald snap at Reid and call her an operative? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #68
don't pay any attention to these human rights Nazis who divert attention away from the real issues Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #78
Greenwald says the emails are not from him adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #89
I will give you a free kick nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #55
Boy the IQ level on DU sure has dropped. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #57
It's quite disillusioning for those here that have been around longer than a few months isn't it? Dragonfli Jun 2013 #59
Yeah, it really is. Bonobo Jun 2013 #60
Third rate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #92
Yeah, right, like you didn't watch Gilligan's Island when it first came out!! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #94
One thing that makes this administration a standout: swiftboat campaigns crash and burn fast. ucrdem Jun 2013 #58
So Swiftboat tactics are offensive against Obama Hissyspit Jun 2013 #69
are you sure you are at the right forum? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #65
The NY Daily news trends RW nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #95
So what Timothy Geithner didn't pay his taxes and Obama made him Treasury avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #66
penny pritZtker's hotels have pay per view porn and she profits. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #76
That's funny. JoeyT Jun 2013 #71
So fucking what? AzDar Jun 2013 #75
Like you would give a shit about it if BUSH were still president MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #77
How does this excuse the spying on citizens, Quantess Jun 2013 #79
Yeah, like we didn't know the NSA was spying and Greenwald needs money.. Cha Jun 2013 #82
Isn't it interesting so many post defends Greenwald by accusing someone else of misdeeds. I don't Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #84
Lame story. Huge NY Daily News Fail n/t emulatorloo Jun 2013 #85
i think GG is a douche but i don't see how this article is relevant to anything... dionysus Jun 2013 #96
It's relevant. Goes to motive (tax deadbeat, needs money) and method (dishonesty). ucrdem Jun 2013 #97
It goes to GGs trustworthyness and integrity FarCenter Jun 2013 #98
maybe i don't care because i never thought he was trustworthy or very credible. dionysus Jun 2013 #99
lol. yes. Whisp Jun 2013 #100
But you trust other people who post false or misleading information Hissyspit Jun 2013 #117
it is not false or misleading that GG is an obnoxious self agrandizing Libertarian Paul lovin' freak Whisp Jun 2013 #119
Nothing, hunh? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #120
when Snowden and Glenn cough up that example Whisp Jun 2013 #121
Oh well lookie here. Talking about integrity, the back story on Darah Gregorian: Demit Jun 2013 #105
As for Greenwald, the question is, "Do his stories sell newspapers?" FarCenter Jun 2013 #106
Oh dear. And here I thought the topic was trustworthiness and integrity. Demit Jun 2013 #109
The Guardian is fairly desparate for controversy to boost circulation and hits FarCenter Jun 2013 #112
So you're not that concerned about trustworthiness & integrity after all. Demit Jun 2013 #114
Maybe it's all about "truthiness" after all. FarCenter Jun 2013 #116
What about the trustworthiness and credibility Hissyspit Jun 2013 #118
The agenda to smear Snowden and Greenwald is quite breathtaking Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #102
Apparently, "trial by ordeal" has been replaced with "trial by credit report". Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #103
character assassination is the new rhetoric.... mike_c Jun 2013 #104
And what skeletons are in your closet? SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #107
Barack Obama, first black President, once was a community organizer KamaAina Jun 2013 #110
Four legs good, two legs better! nt markiv Jun 2013 #115
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