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antigone382

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68. H2O Man, I honestly don't understand the responses I have seen from you today.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jun 2013

Over the years I have seen you post on DU, you have earned my respect. I have generally known you to be a person both knowledgeable and wise about issues of disparity and racism in the U.S. Yet, in this and another thread you have dismissed issues of race, gender, privilege, and perspective surrounding this young woman, as described in articles that I found very well-written and insightful.

That may sound like a judgment, but I am not stating that you are right or wrong to be responding this way. I simply want to understand more about where you are coming from. I have not closely followed the Trayvon Martin case in the last few weeks, nor did I watch the testimony of Rachel, although I have read several accounts of it. I don't presume to know what your observations of her testimony might have been (assuming you watched it, as I infer from your replies today), and if you have expressed them in more detail on DU I have not seen them. My expectation is that you would have compassion for a nineteen-year-old who has experienced a tremendous trauma and been forced into the national spotlight, and there subject to the sorts of judgments typically assigned to her race and gender. If you have reason to suspend such compassion, I would like to better understand why.

Jury selection is critical - a 6 woman (5 white) jury is not favorable to Rachel's experience. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #1
The prosecution had the chance to talk to her. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #2
No, she didn't. She came off as authentic, consistent and truthful about appacom Jun 2013 #8
BS. She impeached herself. She gave inconsistent answers. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #13
She gave human answers. She broke my heart. aquart Jun 2013 #16
me too. I was teary. She was his bestie!! nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #28
+1 freshwest Jun 2013 #43
The women on the jury may not create to her contradictions in the JDPriestly Jun 2013 #18
You really don't get it, do you? appacom Jun 2013 #19
She did change them several times. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #20
are you for real? CreekDog Jun 2013 #31
This is not about me, im not the one on the witness stand. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #38
Agreed. Their "wonder" witness has been a flop. n/t NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #65
Wow. Apophis Jun 2013 #67
Granted, she had enunciation issues but I thought overall she was a good witness. pacalo Jun 2013 #30
yup sad-cafe Jun 2013 #51
I didn't see her inconsistent statements as lying. She told different details to different people pnwmom Jun 2013 #42
It would have looked worse if they didnt call her. The defense would have loved that. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #72
Yep malaise Jun 2013 #3
"The cultural differences here are exponential". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #4
Then again, a 6 woman jury may feel sympathetic towards Rachel justiceischeap Jun 2013 #5
That was my thought as well. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #14
You got me afraid to make anymore posts after pointing out how close I am justiceischeap Jun 2013 #24
Sorry! You can do what I did and do a lounge thread on it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #25
Whew! I posted in the Photography group. justiceischeap Jun 2013 #32
Your welcome! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #50
I see that, too. n/t Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #22
This white mom agrees. yardwork Jun 2013 #62
this doesn't excuse the conflicting testimony DrDan Jun 2013 #6
Mebbe it is my multicultural experience nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7
white female 74 year old native-born here IphengeniaBlumgarten Jun 2013 #10
white 72 year old woman born here too. DesertFlower Jun 2013 #15
And being an inexperienced young person, she thought telling a white lie would be pacalo Jun 2013 #37
so true. i worked in the legal field DesertFlower Jun 2013 #26
Were you as unimpressed with the jury pool as I was? From what I heard, I thought pacalo Jun 2013 #41
there have been some white people who get her, i think it's a race and class thing JI7 Jun 2013 #9
I am white like snow (well maybe trampled snow). I totally understood her. The empressof all Jun 2013 #11
Me too. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #71
the defense lawyer knows KT2000 Jun 2013 #12
Interesting gender issues Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #17
I saw plenty of black folks on twitter bashing her LittleBlue Jun 2013 #21
As a white male pintobean Jun 2013 #23
you're asking us to think that the Zimmerman trial not consider race? CreekDog Jun 2013 #46
Where have you been? pintobean Jun 2013 #49
He's pulling a blatant strawman on this one LittleBlue Jun 2013 #59
Yes, plenty of people here seem to confuse the message with the messenger Hissyspit Jun 2013 #27
It's almost like Rachel is on trial for murdering Trayvon by talking on the cell phone. Both sides kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #29
Dissing right back at those who are dissing her. They need to learn, but they are incapable of it. freshwest Jun 2013 #47
the death penalty should be abolished AFJROTCcadetEcho Jun 2013 #33
Whut? AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #39
Settle down.... Captain Stern Jun 2013 #45
Darned white people! H2O Man Jun 2013 #34
H2O Man, I honestly don't understand the responses I have seen from you today. antigone382 Jun 2013 #68
I have nothing H2O Man Jun 2013 #70
I think that was the mindset the defense was going for in jury selection. DevonRex Jun 2013 #69
I so disagree with you frazzled Jun 2013 #35
People here have criticized her for being "dumb." But I think the dumb one pnwmom Jun 2013 #36
Completely agree with you zentrum Jun 2013 #40
I feel bad for her.... BronxBoy Jun 2013 #44
When I was sixteen my boyfriend tavernier Jun 2013 #48
"creepy" "pervert" "stalking" riverwalker Jun 2013 #52
Totally! displacedtexan Jun 2013 #63
Jury selection doomed the prosecution elfin Jun 2013 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #54
Buh bye! Brigid Jun 2013 #55
Get lost racist still_one Jun 2013 #56
NO! MineralMan Jun 2013 #57
Isn't that what racism is all about ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #58
white, female, 65... I believed her and felt nothing but sympathy. I like the girl. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #60
She seemed genuine on the witness stand. Jenoch Jun 2013 #61
Objectively, she comes off as a bit "slow"...and that has nothing to do with race. NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #64
Defense attorney's mistake? Bullying., intimidating and mocking her. DevonRex Jun 2013 #66
I'm conflicted about this.... mike_c Jun 2013 #73
I'm a white woman and understood her with little problem. zeeland Jun 2013 #74
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