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Eleanors38

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42. I'm not adverse to jail time, but wielding heavy sentences

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:58 PM

Jun 2013

except for the most hideous pre-meditated crimes is the one-trick pony conservatives advocate -- and promote with the massive prison system -- for "solving" criminality and social problems. Do we as progressives want to take up a sentencing arms race with conservative policy?

In the pantheon of childhood deaths due to parental/caretaker neglect, death by firearm ranks well down the list of causes; certainly lower than electrocution, drowning, falls and other causes. If we agree to 5 yr. sentences for negligent gun storage, and in the name of equitable punishment spread out those sentences to the other causes of death, progressives will spark our own prison-building boom.

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Father of Boy Who Fatally Shot Brother Sentenced (brace yourself) [View all] Robb Jun 2013 OP

An Honest Mistake SoCalMusicLover Jun 2013 #1

The gun had a better legal team, clearly. nt Robb Jun 2013 #2

What should be the punishment if your kid drowns in your pool? (nt) The Straight Story Jun 2013 #3

If your negligence results in a childs death you should pay the consequences. Bandit Jun 2013 #9

What should be the punishment if your kid eats the rat poison you left out on the kitchen table? Squinch Jun 2013 #22

Divorce, loss of custody Aerows Jun 2013 #40

What is the punishment where you are... Chan790 Jun 2013 #46

Pools are not designed specifically to kill. n/t savalez Jun 2013 #59

Neither are automobiles, but they seem to do it on a regular basis. oneshooter Jun 2013 #60

If you don't know the difference between the three savalez Jun 2013 #61

And you need a license, a registration and insurance for your car. Squinch Jun 2013 #64

Unless we were in the court room, we don't know what went into this sentencing. randome Jun 2013 #4

I believe the sentencing guidelines said 4 years in prison dflprincess Jun 2013 #49

He lost his son. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #5

His son lost everything. Robb Jun 2013 #10

So what would be appropriate? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #12

He didn't "lose" his son. He placed his son in a deadly situation, and the son died. Squinch Jun 2013 #23

So what should be his punishment? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #24

As I posted below: what are the punishments for other crimes in which parents Squinch Jun 2013 #26

The 'leaving children in hot cars' might not be that great an example. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #31

The article you linked actually SUPPORTS the claim that parents are often charged and convicted for Squinch Jun 2013 #34

I suppose they are "often" charged and convicted... Captain Stern Jun 2013 #38

He didn't lose his son like you might lose your wallet or keys demwing Jun 2013 #76

Exactly. Squinch Jun 2013 #77

That's clearly a risk he was willing to take. (nt) Heidi Jun 2013 #57

"Well, that should deter people from leaving weapons unsecured." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #6

So sez one of our resident libertarians..................... kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #11

Libertarian? You can't imagine how wrong you are. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #14

What should be the punisment? nt Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #15

A little slap on the wrist Politicalboi Jun 2013 #7

Well, having a child die should be a deterrent, but obviously wasn't. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #8

We are all law abiding parents until we leave a loaded gun, with the safety off, where a.... Tikki Jun 2013 #37

What do you want to do to the father? Should the family be broken up? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #13

The family has already been broken up by the father's negligence. If he were someone who killed Squinch Jun 2013 #16

Jail time: How much? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #19

How much jail time do parents get when their children die because they don't feed them, or Squinch Jun 2013 #21

5 - 10 years like Frylock? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jun 2013 #35

Here are some sentences that have been handed to parents who left their children in hot cars Squinch Jun 2013 #36

I'm not adverse to jail time, but wielding heavy sentences Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #42

Nice dodge, but this isn't about the conservative prison system. This is about responsibility Squinch Jun 2013 #43

"parents killing children." You really think he desired & planned that? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #45

Saying he is responsible for killing his child says nothing about motive or premeditation Squinch Jun 2013 #47

So, some ways of dying by neglect are more equal than others? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #50

What a ridiculous argument. Of course it involves gradations of neglect. Because gradations exist. Squinch Jun 2013 #58

5-10 frylock Jun 2013 #29

By which post, you win the thread. Robb Jun 2013 #20

When a gun isn't involved and a parent's intentional actions kill a child, we almost never Squinch Jun 2013 #39

he shouldn't be allowed to own guns, ever again CreekDog Jun 2013 #27

If he had left his child in a car on a hot Squinch Jun 2013 #30

Actually, your proposal is more reasonable than the "lock 'em up for years" Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #44

If the conviction was a felony that probably will bar him from owning one davidpdx Jun 2013 #53

We certainly wouldn't want to discourage people from leaving BainsBane Jun 2013 #73

That fight is in your imagination, or you are... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #74

Here for everyone's benefit BainsBane Jun 2013 #78

And let's not forget this choice note BainsBane Jun 2013 #79

I think losing a child would deter most folks. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #17

I think someone who leaves an unsecured gun around a 4-year-old has placed Squinch Jun 2013 #25

It's an appropriate sentence. Xithras Jun 2013 #18

Finality, a voice of sanity. RC Jun 2013 #32

I am appalled at how many don't get that jberryhill Jun 2013 #52

Thank you. HappyMe Jun 2013 #41

I think house arrest on weekends would add a little. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #56

I have to say, I think malice is intrinsic in the act of leaving a loaded gun unsecured Squinch Jun 2013 #75

i don't think it would deter people from leaving weapons around because they never think it would JI7 Jun 2013 #28

Any of you old enough to remember... Bigmack Jun 2013 #48

If someone isn't deterred by the idea of their child dying Union Scribe Jun 2013 #51

It is a tragedy davidpdx Jun 2013 #54

People who kill family members through reckless endangerment often regret it and Squinch Jun 2013 #63

Honestly I don't have an solid answer on that one davidpdx Jun 2013 #65

I don't think anyone is saying lock him up and throw away the key. I am surprised, though, Squinch Jun 2013 #66

The question then is what would be the middle ground davidpdx Jun 2013 #67

He was, according to the article, convicted of second degree manslaughter Squinch Jun 2013 #69

I didn't read the article before as I usually only glance at was posted by the OP davidpdx Jun 2013 #72

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #55

Cokemachine, the reason it's so boring over there, Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #62

I can see how upset you are by this child's death BainsBane Jun 2013 #68

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #70

That is exactly what you did in this thread BainsBane Jun 2013 #71