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politicat

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62. No, not necessarily d'Nealian.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:33 PM
Jun 2013

There are several hybrids. I'm agnostic about which one is "best" -- actually, I don't think any specific handwriting format is "best". My MIL is a lower-grades special Ed teacher who works primarily with reading and writing; she uses just about every system invented, depending on the kid. I think the best system is whichever one is most consistent.

I think that all of the systems we have are relatively poor -- they're all non-intuitive, they're all geared towards bad pencils and wretched paper, they all start with too small details when the early practice should be geared towards clear letter formation, they're all regimented, none of them blend with the others (so a kid who moves from one district's standard to another gets dinged for Doin' It Rong which is just stupid) and they all fail to take into account the 15% of the population who are absolutely backwards because we are left-handed.

The "font" I dislike least is the one Montessori uses -- it works fine as print (minus the joining strokes), it scales well (because Montessori starts with 6" high letters drawn on sand tables) and it lacks the ornate flourishes of Palmer, Spencer and Peterson. It's also highly legible for most Indo-European language speakers, no matter their first language.

I sympathize with your daughter -- half the reason I didn't learn cursive (as part of my lessons) is because we moved frequently when I was a child and the districts weren't in sync. D'Nealian isn't bad if it's a consistent, district-wide, system and kids don't move in and out. It's a terrible system if any of those are only partially true. It's also a poor system if emphasis is placed on speed before precision (and given current standards, it's all about speed) or if there are unrealistic expectations of neatness early on. On the other hand, my nephews' district uses d'Nealian, and it seems to be working for both boys. One's in 1st, one's in 6th; for their ages, they write well and quickly, but they have never known anything else.

I just want to say JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #1
There are good, cognitive reasons for cursive with regards to language processing. politicat Jun 2013 #2
How is cursive "a word system" while manuscript is a "letter system?" Orrex Jun 2013 #6
How deep do you want me to get into cognitive processing? politicat Jun 2013 #13
+1 & People don't know that physical actions have physical STRUCTURAL effects upon the neurons patrice Jun 2013 #31
This is really interesting. Thanks! pnwmom Jun 2013 #38
Still seems weird to me Orrex Jun 2013 #44
Uh, no ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #14
And that was such a great post .... oldhippie Jun 2013 #19
And linguistics has massively improved since the 1950s. politicat Jun 2013 #43
I never learned to write cursively. Link Speed Jun 2013 #54
I had to and did, but never did it well. Populist_Prole Jun 2013 #71
Uh, no ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #14
Good points. aquart Jun 2013 #40
I'd rather know short hand. Neoma Jun 2013 #45
You aren't seriously promoting D'Nealian, are you? Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #51
No, not necessarily d'Nealian. politicat Jun 2013 #62
We're not going to agree about D'Nealian. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #68
I don't think it's a reasonable system, I just don't think it's the script of Satan. politicat Jun 2013 #70
New math is not a different system for teaching math Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #72
Agreed. LWolf Jun 2013 #52
There are half a dozen methods that fall under hybrid italics. politicat Jun 2013 #63
When I taught younger kids, LWolf Jun 2013 #73
The kids don't have the fine motor skills in pre-K to do cursive yet duffyduff Jun 2013 #60
Montessori does it all the time. They start with cursive in pre-k. politicat Jun 2013 #61
What's coming next? The Metric System? MineralMan Jun 2013 #3
Whadja mean "kid"? I'm 57 and I can't write cursive. I can barely print. TrogL Jun 2013 #4
Whoa! I never reached 120 wpm. I can do 80. randome Jun 2013 #11
I can type faster than I can think TrogL Jun 2013 #57
I'm with you. I won cursive awards WAY back in elementary school... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #20
screw cursive. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #5
Comic Sans needs to go right along with Cursive GObamaGO Jun 2013 #8
And conceals all personal information. aquart Jun 2013 #42
I'm a Blackadder fan, myself. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #47
Old Left-Handed person here. Demoiselle Jun 2013 #7
Ever try Russian cursive? johnp3907 Jun 2013 #9
In Russia, cursive tries you! CreekDog Jun 2013 #10
Good one! johnp3907 Jun 2013 #17
In Russia, Cursive sentences you. Aerows Jun 2013 #27
65 and never could write in cursive. madrchsod Jun 2013 #12
If he pipi_k Jun 2013 #21
Why didn't she write in whatever script she writes in? Or doesn't she write at all? FarCenter Jun 2013 #16
i'm guessing she wanted something that looked nice JI7 Jun 2013 #22
no matter her reading and writing skills, what matters is that she is a witness to what happened CreekDog Jun 2013 #24
To enter a writing as evidence, you need a witness to testify that it is genuine and unaltered FarCenter Jun 2013 #36
Here, let me help. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #18
cursive is much, much faster than block printing Mosby Jun 2013 #23
if you want to write fast, you will use a keyboard or other methods CreekDog Jun 2013 #25
and that explains the change in focus. Mosby Jun 2013 #29
it's pretty arbitrary of you to say that a printed signature is less than a cursive signature CreekDog Jun 2013 #33
"I can't read and write Aerows Jun 2013 #26
She's just a witness at a trial --she doesn't have to pass your tests CreekDog Jun 2013 #28
In other words Aerows Jun 2013 #32
do you see her as ignorant or less reliable? CreekDog Jun 2013 #34
Ah Aerows Jun 2013 #35
There's an app for that... WCGreen Jun 2013 #30
I speak cursive ! demwing Jun 2013 #37
Damnit demwing Aerows Jun 2013 #39
Son of a bitch, thanks a shit load! demwing Jun 2013 #69
No fucking problem Aerows Jun 2013 #74
I write in cursive and no one can read what I write. My penmanship is that bad. Cleita Jun 2013 #41
But - but - but - things are different now! That means they are bad! (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #46
Lots of people can't write cursive. Brigid Jun 2013 #48
The NC state legislature passed a bill requiring cursive be taught in schools. alarimer Jun 2013 #49
schools require you turn your work in over the net now elehhhhna Jun 2013 #50
I guess reading cursive is not needed either, well unless Soundman Jun 2013 #53
How are you supposed to write in cursive with your thumbs? n/t Mister Ed Jun 2013 #55
Printing is way to slow. I hate when I have to fill out a form with Raine Jun 2013 #56
i print, but i began printing because i preferred it CreekDog Jun 2013 #59
Waiting for a half literate person Riftaxe Jun 2013 #58
It's a failure of schools BainsBane Jun 2013 #64
i think you are in a 20-years-ago mindset, sorry to say CreekDog Jun 2013 #65
Essay exams are still given in college BainsBane Jun 2013 #67
I think Mr. West knew she couldn't read cursive and Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #66
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #75
How about what the kids themselves want? Dale Neiburg Nov 2014 #76
Some cursive is impossible to read. Not everyone perfected writing with the Palmer Method. djean111 Nov 2014 #77
I can write in cursive with both hands HockeyMom Nov 2014 #80
Yes, I do think it is genetic. djean111 Nov 2014 #81
Can you type 100 wpm? HockeyMom Nov 2014 #78
I type 80wpm CreekDog Nov 2014 #79
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