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Ms. Toad

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72. New math is not a different system for teaching math
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jun 2013

It was intended to be a fundamental transformation of the mathematics curriculum.

New Math moved theories which are absolutely essential for advanced math (sets, matrices, non-decimal number systems, and boolean logic, primarily) into elementary school - where they were watered down enough so that they could be taught by often math-illiterate elementary school teachers, virtually none of whom had enough advanced math (Calculus and beyond) to understand what the heck these things were good for.

So rather than teaching the fundamentals of beginning mathematics, elementary school teachers began teaching these theories by rote - with absolutely no appreciation of what they might ever be needed for. This meant they were incapable of teaching them in a way that was anything other than a waste of time. To be honest, even most of my peers at the high school level, did not understand the power of these simple theories and could not do them justice.

It has all but vanished, aside from nominal mention of each of the primary theories in a standard math curriculum - which are still being taught by teachers who mostly don't have a clue what or why they are teaching. So - I'm not sure what you are thinking of, but (as a former math teacher with two degrees in math) I can tell you that it isn't New Math. I was subjected to New Math via a workbook my parents bought, and imposed on a teacher with no more than a high school education in the 60s, when they realized I was gifted in math. And my first years teaching in the late 70s & early 80s were spent trying to rescue some of the last of its victims.

As far as handwriting - Getty-Dubay looks less offensive than D'Nealian, but since the cursive version isn't really cursive, I see no reason to add the complexity (and time).

I just want to say JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #1
There are good, cognitive reasons for cursive with regards to language processing. politicat Jun 2013 #2
How is cursive "a word system" while manuscript is a "letter system?" Orrex Jun 2013 #6
How deep do you want me to get into cognitive processing? politicat Jun 2013 #13
+1 & People don't know that physical actions have physical STRUCTURAL effects upon the neurons patrice Jun 2013 #31
This is really interesting. Thanks! pnwmom Jun 2013 #38
Still seems weird to me Orrex Jun 2013 #44
Uh, no ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #14
And that was such a great post .... oldhippie Jun 2013 #19
And linguistics has massively improved since the 1950s. politicat Jun 2013 #43
I never learned to write cursively. Link Speed Jun 2013 #54
I had to and did, but never did it well. Populist_Prole Jun 2013 #71
Uh, no ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #14
Good points. aquart Jun 2013 #40
I'd rather know short hand. Neoma Jun 2013 #45
You aren't seriously promoting D'Nealian, are you? Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #51
No, not necessarily d'Nealian. politicat Jun 2013 #62
We're not going to agree about D'Nealian. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #68
I don't think it's a reasonable system, I just don't think it's the script of Satan. politicat Jun 2013 #70
New math is not a different system for teaching math Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #72
Agreed. LWolf Jun 2013 #52
There are half a dozen methods that fall under hybrid italics. politicat Jun 2013 #63
When I taught younger kids, LWolf Jun 2013 #73
The kids don't have the fine motor skills in pre-K to do cursive yet duffyduff Jun 2013 #60
Montessori does it all the time. They start with cursive in pre-k. politicat Jun 2013 #61
What's coming next? The Metric System? MineralMan Jun 2013 #3
Whadja mean "kid"? I'm 57 and I can't write cursive. I can barely print. TrogL Jun 2013 #4
Whoa! I never reached 120 wpm. I can do 80. randome Jun 2013 #11
I can type faster than I can think TrogL Jun 2013 #57
I'm with you. I won cursive awards WAY back in elementary school... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #20
screw cursive. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #5
Comic Sans needs to go right along with Cursive GObamaGO Jun 2013 #8
And conceals all personal information. aquart Jun 2013 #42
I'm a Blackadder fan, myself. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #47
Old Left-Handed person here. Demoiselle Jun 2013 #7
Ever try Russian cursive? johnp3907 Jun 2013 #9
In Russia, cursive tries you! CreekDog Jun 2013 #10
Good one! johnp3907 Jun 2013 #17
In Russia, Cursive sentences you. Aerows Jun 2013 #27
65 and never could write in cursive. madrchsod Jun 2013 #12
If he pipi_k Jun 2013 #21
Why didn't she write in whatever script she writes in? Or doesn't she write at all? FarCenter Jun 2013 #16
i'm guessing she wanted something that looked nice JI7 Jun 2013 #22
no matter her reading and writing skills, what matters is that she is a witness to what happened CreekDog Jun 2013 #24
To enter a writing as evidence, you need a witness to testify that it is genuine and unaltered FarCenter Jun 2013 #36
Here, let me help. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #18
cursive is much, much faster than block printing Mosby Jun 2013 #23
if you want to write fast, you will use a keyboard or other methods CreekDog Jun 2013 #25
and that explains the change in focus. Mosby Jun 2013 #29
it's pretty arbitrary of you to say that a printed signature is less than a cursive signature CreekDog Jun 2013 #33
"I can't read and write Aerows Jun 2013 #26
She's just a witness at a trial --she doesn't have to pass your tests CreekDog Jun 2013 #28
In other words Aerows Jun 2013 #32
do you see her as ignorant or less reliable? CreekDog Jun 2013 #34
Ah Aerows Jun 2013 #35
There's an app for that... WCGreen Jun 2013 #30
I speak cursive ! demwing Jun 2013 #37
Damnit demwing Aerows Jun 2013 #39
Son of a bitch, thanks a shit load! demwing Jun 2013 #69
No fucking problem Aerows Jun 2013 #74
I write in cursive and no one can read what I write. My penmanship is that bad. Cleita Jun 2013 #41
But - but - but - things are different now! That means they are bad! (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #46
Lots of people can't write cursive. Brigid Jun 2013 #48
The NC state legislature passed a bill requiring cursive be taught in schools. alarimer Jun 2013 #49
schools require you turn your work in over the net now elehhhhna Jun 2013 #50
I guess reading cursive is not needed either, well unless Soundman Jun 2013 #53
How are you supposed to write in cursive with your thumbs? n/t Mister Ed Jun 2013 #55
Printing is way to slow. I hate when I have to fill out a form with Raine Jun 2013 #56
i print, but i began printing because i preferred it CreekDog Jun 2013 #59
Waiting for a half literate person Riftaxe Jun 2013 #58
It's a failure of schools BainsBane Jun 2013 #64
i think you are in a 20-years-ago mindset, sorry to say CreekDog Jun 2013 #65
Essay exams are still given in college BainsBane Jun 2013 #67
I think Mr. West knew she couldn't read cursive and Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #66
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #75
How about what the kids themselves want? Dale Neiburg Nov 2014 #76
Some cursive is impossible to read. Not everyone perfected writing with the Palmer Method. djean111 Nov 2014 #77
I can write in cursive with both hands HockeyMom Nov 2014 #80
Yes, I do think it is genetic. djean111 Nov 2014 #81
Can you type 100 wpm? HockeyMom Nov 2014 #78
I type 80wpm CreekDog Nov 2014 #79
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