In their support of Syria, Iran, and North Korea. China also has the same reasoning. (Reply #106)

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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:13 AM

still_one (87,937 posts)

106. In their support of Syria, Iran, and North Korea. China also has the same reasoning.

That does not mean I believe we should be involved in Syria, I DON'T, however, compromising secure information to them, is wrong.

In fact exposing the spying that we do to other countries is also wrong.

That would have been a different issue than just focusing on the NSA spying on Americans. Instead he went international.

This is a typical libertarian agenda, to push isolationism, and that is why I suspect he released secure documents to Russia and China, not only on our information, but on our methods of spying.

He wanted to hurt the U.S., let another country have him

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114 replies	Author	Time	Post
I'll never understand people who take the actions of Snowden as a personal insult. [View all]	redgreenandblue	Jun 2013	OP
+1. nt	newfie11	Jun 2013	#1
because	BehindTheCurtain76	Jun 2013	#5
Yes. This.	djean111	Jun 2013	#2
I don't agree with the course he took (not that he should care about what I think)	Democracyinkind	Jun 2013	#3
Some people identify with the ruling elites	fasttense	Jun 2013	#4
One analysis I heard recently theorized that people who don't really understand the leaked info	KurtNYC	Jun 2013	#6
Could the fourth one just be people who don't want to know?	Demit	Jun 2013	#8
K&R ! ! !	radiclib	Jun 2013	#7
I am the most politically depressed that I have been in a long, long time. If didn't know for	Douglas Carpenter	Jun 2013	#9
"If there were any evidence at all..."	randome	Jun 2013	#10
No evidence of his wild claims??????? Except for these:	dixiegrrrrl	Jun 2013	#34
I don't see anything to support Snowden's claim that the NSA is spying on everybody.	randome	Jun 2013	#36
OK, they're NOT spying on everybody.	MattSh	Jun 2013	#68
If you want to believe whatever Snowden tells you, fine.	randome	Jun 2013	#72
The Verizon warrant is evidence.	reusrename	Jun 2013	#94
It's evidence of something we already knew and had largely dismissed as trivial.	randome	Jun 2013	#95
No, you should read what I posted.	reusrename	Jun 2013	#97
So all this...	randome	Jun 2013	#98
Now you are starting to sound a lot more rational. This is good.	reusrename	Jun 2013	#99
You point out the possibility of misuse without evidence to suggest it IS being misused.	randome	Jun 2013	#100
There is also nothing to prevent the possibility of a noble use, either.	reusrename	Jun 2013	#101
"Instead it is currently being used to thwart the will of the people."	randome	Jun 2013	#102
I believe we are literally two heartbeats away from a totalitarian state.	reusrename	Jun 2013	#103
Did you object to people in the Bush administration outing Valerie Plame?	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#11
As of now, he has done nothing of the sort.	redgreenandblue	Jun 2013	#13
Nice metaphor! - nt	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#45
How can you say that?	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#63
actually Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson have written on this subject	Douglas Carpenter	Jun 2013	#16
Yes -- that came out a day before Snowden's	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#65
But but but ... according to POTUS, PRISM only collects metadata ...	Myrina	Jun 2013	#24
No, you are incorrect. In the US, without a warrant, only telephone meta-data is collected,	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#70
Valerie Plame says, "In a way, we as U.S. citizens owe Edward Snowden a thank you....	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2013	#74
That was written only about internal US surveillance and it was written the day before	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#75
So, she's changed her mind? Link?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2013	#76
Nope. But she has a brain, and she's a rational, caring person,	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#77
I'll stick with what she said, not what you think she might think.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2013	#79
Right. What she said about US surveillance the day before Snowden said	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#80
I'd trust the press a helluva lot more than the NSA/CIA.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2013	#84
+ 100 - Well Said	cantbeserious	Jun 2013	#12
No fan of Snowden but I agree w you on many points	emulatorloo	Jun 2013	#14
No less a personage than Senator Dianne Feinstein played the 'traitor'	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#49
She's a war profiteering hawk neo-liberal gatekeeper	bobduca	Jun 2013	#89
you have nailed all of politics	Enrique	Jun 2013	#15
K&R!	Fire Walk With Me	Jun 2013	#17
nailed it; "some people identify with the ruling elites,.."	Civilization2	Jun 2013	#18
It borders on blasphemy for some. It reflects poorly on their diety.	Fuddnik	Jun 2013	#19
So strange: it is like nothing I have ever seen ,	Kolesar	Jun 2013	#29
I think a lot of these people who are so angry with Snowden	LuvNewcastle	Jun 2013	#20
You also have an invalid premise	Kolesar	Jun 2013	#27
No, a winger hack and a paulianite report a story and it's taken at face value and then spun by	uponit7771	Jun 2013	#32
nailed it	Doctor_J	Jun 2013	#86
It's an overactive sense of nationalism.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2013	#21
I'll never understand the people who romanticize him	NightWatcher	Jun 2013	#22
pretty much	Johonny	Jun 2013	#33
I haven't heard of him expressing any Randian ideas.	reusrename	Jun 2013	#96
+1	tallahasseedem	Jun 2013	#105
Authoritarian Personality Disorder.	backscatter712	Jun 2013	#23
ding, ding, ding!	HooptieWagon	Jun 2013	#78
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!	WillyT	Jun 2013	#25
you have an invalid premise	Kolesar	Jun 2013	#26
I don't think your central premise is as cut-and-dried as you think	jeff47	Jun 2013	#28
I'm with you here.	Plucketeer	Jun 2013	#30
Snowden is an admitted law breaker	Progressive dog	Jun 2013	#31
And to me, countries are for the most part arbitrary lines drawn on pieces of paper.	redgreenandblue	Jun 2013	#37
That is so incredibly idealistic	treestar	Jun 2013	#43
Well...	redgreenandblue	Jun 2013	#46
I only have one citizenship so I don't have options	treestar	Jun 2013	#52
To me, countries have more to do with form of government nt	Progressive dog	Jun 2013	#54
I'll see your nationalism and raise you Eugene Debs:	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#51
You don't have to be a nationalist	Progressive dog	Jun 2013	#53
You said, "I am a Nationalist" and I'm responding that I'm like Debs	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#55
You Quoted " I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world."	Progressive dog	Jun 2013	#59
Most, or at least many, whistle blowers are	Doctor_J	Jun 2013	#87
Ellserg didn't flee to another country, Snowden did	Progressive dog	Jun 2013	#111
So what?	Doctor_J	Jun 2013	#112
The plumbers are in Snowden's psychiatrist's office	Progressive dog	Jun 2013	#113
'Leakers', not whistleblowers.	randome	Jun 2013	#114
+1000	blackspade	Jun 2013	#35
PROPAGANDA	woo me with science	Jun 2013	#38
Yep. With 100's of billions of $ spent, there is no way they overlooked online discussion forums.	GoneFishin	Jun 2013	#90
Conservatives usually have difficulty thinking for themselves, and also have difficulty	Zorra	Jun 2013	#39
K&R	forestpath	Jun 2013	#40
A straw man	treestar	Jun 2013	#41
I don't care if people commit treason in this country as long as it's in the best interests of the	Apophis	Jun 2013	#42
Wow.	OilemFirchen	Jun 2013	#58
snowden has done neither	frylock	Jun 2013	#60
Not sure how that relates to my post,	OilemFirchen	Jun 2013	#61
tell that to the founding fathers...	grasswire	Jun 2013	#62
Amen to that.	Apophis	Jun 2013	#64
Not in this case, however.	OilemFirchen	Jun 2013	#66
Over-reaching governments have never been stopped without people breaking the law	Marrah_G	Jun 2013	#91
That's ridiculous.	OilemFirchen	Jun 2013	#92
LOL!	Marrah_G	Jun 2013	#93
None of us have any idea what the collateral fallout of this release is	Recursion	Jun 2013	#109
You have the soul of a poet:	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#44
Why thank you!	redgreenandblue	Jun 2013	#47
Pavlovian Partisan Panic?	whatchamacallit	Jun 2013	#48
I think you went a long way to answering the question	marions ghost	Jun 2013	#50
Rec. Manning also; maybe more so.	Smarmie Doofus	Jun 2013	#56
its a combo of authoritarian types and Obama devotees (BOGers)	quinnox	Jun 2013	#57
let's face it; some are paid stooges and apparatchiks	grasswire	Jun 2013	#67
Flipped> People who are VALIDATED by his actions. Further, you approve of his leaking to China	KittyWampus	Jun 2013	#69
What?	redgreenandblue	Jun 2013	#73
I haven't seen strong condemnations	ecstatic	Jun 2013	#71
i disagree	arely staircase	Jun 2013	#81
It has nothing to do with his politics, he conspired to do damage to the U.S.	still_one	Jun 2013	#82
"our adversaries"	redgreenandblue	Jun 2013	#104
In their support of Syria, Iran, and North Korea. China also has the same reasoning.	still_one	Jun 2013	#106
Well, they're harboring Snowden for one	Recursion	Jun 2013	#108
Snowden took a stand and is risking his life	Taverner	Jun 2013	#83
No, what bothers people is that he is releasing our spying methods to Russia and China.	still_one	Jun 2013	#107
nationalists vs. internationalists is as big a part of it as authoritarians vs. anti-authoritarians	carolinayellowdog	Jun 2013	#85
I agree	Harmony Blue	Jun 2013	#88
If Snowden's actions can be shown to have cost lives...	Orsino	Jun 2013	#110

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