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BainsBane

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73. We certainly wouldn't want to discourage people from leaving

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:01 PM

Jun 2013

guns around now would we? Failing to leave loaded guns in the reach of children clearly violates the Second Amendment. The brave and valiant fight against gun safes marches on.

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Father of Boy Who Fatally Shot Brother Sentenced (brace yourself) [View all] Robb Jun 2013 OP

An Honest Mistake SoCalMusicLover Jun 2013 #1

The gun had a better legal team, clearly. nt Robb Jun 2013 #2

What should be the punishment if your kid drowns in your pool? (nt) The Straight Story Jun 2013 #3

If your negligence results in a childs death you should pay the consequences. Bandit Jun 2013 #9

What should be the punishment if your kid eats the rat poison you left out on the kitchen table? Squinch Jun 2013 #22

Divorce, loss of custody Aerows Jun 2013 #40

What is the punishment where you are... Chan790 Jun 2013 #46

Pools are not designed specifically to kill. n/t savalez Jun 2013 #59

Neither are automobiles, but they seem to do it on a regular basis. oneshooter Jun 2013 #60

If you don't know the difference between the three savalez Jun 2013 #61

And you need a license, a registration and insurance for your car. Squinch Jun 2013 #64

Unless we were in the court room, we don't know what went into this sentencing. randome Jun 2013 #4

I believe the sentencing guidelines said 4 years in prison dflprincess Jun 2013 #49

He lost his son. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #5

His son lost everything. Robb Jun 2013 #10

So what would be appropriate? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #12

He didn't "lose" his son. He placed his son in a deadly situation, and the son died. Squinch Jun 2013 #23

So what should be his punishment? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #24

As I posted below: what are the punishments for other crimes in which parents Squinch Jun 2013 #26

The 'leaving children in hot cars' might not be that great an example. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #31

The article you linked actually SUPPORTS the claim that parents are often charged and convicted for Squinch Jun 2013 #34

I suppose they are "often" charged and convicted... Captain Stern Jun 2013 #38

He didn't lose his son like you might lose your wallet or keys demwing Jun 2013 #76

Exactly. Squinch Jun 2013 #77

That's clearly a risk he was willing to take. (nt) Heidi Jun 2013 #57

"Well, that should deter people from leaving weapons unsecured." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #6

So sez one of our resident libertarians..................... kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #11

Libertarian? You can't imagine how wrong you are. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #14

What should be the punisment? nt Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #15

A little slap on the wrist Politicalboi Jun 2013 #7

Well, having a child die should be a deterrent, but obviously wasn't. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #8

We are all law abiding parents until we leave a loaded gun, with the safety off, where a.... Tikki Jun 2013 #37

What do you want to do to the father? Should the family be broken up? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #13

The family has already been broken up by the father's negligence. If he were someone who killed Squinch Jun 2013 #16

Jail time: How much? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #19

How much jail time do parents get when their children die because they don't feed them, or Squinch Jun 2013 #21

5 - 10 years like Frylock? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jun 2013 #35

Here are some sentences that have been handed to parents who left their children in hot cars Squinch Jun 2013 #36

I'm not adverse to jail time, but wielding heavy sentences Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #42

Nice dodge, but this isn't about the conservative prison system. This is about responsibility Squinch Jun 2013 #43

"parents killing children." You really think he desired & planned that? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #45

Saying he is responsible for killing his child says nothing about motive or premeditation Squinch Jun 2013 #47

So, some ways of dying by neglect are more equal than others? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #50

What a ridiculous argument. Of course it involves gradations of neglect. Because gradations exist. Squinch Jun 2013 #58

5-10 frylock Jun 2013 #29

By which post, you win the thread. Robb Jun 2013 #20

When a gun isn't involved and a parent's intentional actions kill a child, we almost never Squinch Jun 2013 #39

he shouldn't be allowed to own guns, ever again CreekDog Jun 2013 #27

If he had left his child in a car on a hot Squinch Jun 2013 #30

Actually, your proposal is more reasonable than the "lock 'em up for years" Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #44

If the conviction was a felony that probably will bar him from owning one davidpdx Jun 2013 #53

We certainly wouldn't want to discourage people from leaving BainsBane Jun 2013 #73

That fight is in your imagination, or you are... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #74

Here for everyone's benefit BainsBane Jun 2013 #78

And let's not forget this choice note BainsBane Jun 2013 #79

I think losing a child would deter most folks. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #17

I think someone who leaves an unsecured gun around a 4-year-old has placed Squinch Jun 2013 #25

It's an appropriate sentence. Xithras Jun 2013 #18

Finality, a voice of sanity. RC Jun 2013 #32

I am appalled at how many don't get that jberryhill Jun 2013 #52

Thank you. HappyMe Jun 2013 #41

I think house arrest on weekends would add a little. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #56

I have to say, I think malice is intrinsic in the act of leaving a loaded gun unsecured Squinch Jun 2013 #75

i don't think it would deter people from leaving weapons around because they never think it would JI7 Jun 2013 #28

Any of you old enough to remember... Bigmack Jun 2013 #48

If someone isn't deterred by the idea of their child dying Union Scribe Jun 2013 #51

It is a tragedy davidpdx Jun 2013 #54

People who kill family members through reckless endangerment often regret it and Squinch Jun 2013 #63

Honestly I don't have an solid answer on that one davidpdx Jun 2013 #65

I don't think anyone is saying lock him up and throw away the key. I am surprised, though, Squinch Jun 2013 #66

The question then is what would be the middle ground davidpdx Jun 2013 #67

He was, according to the article, convicted of second degree manslaughter Squinch Jun 2013 #69

I didn't read the article before as I usually only glance at was posted by the OP davidpdx Jun 2013 #72

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Cokemachine, the reason it's so boring over there, Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #62

I can see how upset you are by this child's death BainsBane Jun 2013 #68

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That is exactly what you did in this thread BainsBane Jun 2013 #71