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40. K&R

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Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:49 PM

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There is absolutely no such thing as a secret body of law in a democracy. [View all] FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 OP

of course, dtom67 Jul 2013 #1

First you have to have a democracy. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #2

Supreme Court: You Can't Challenge Secret Law Because It's Secret PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #3

I got to read that later. TY /nt think Jul 2013 #4

What about in a Representative Republic? NightWatcher Jul 2013 #5

Are secret laws representative? FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #7

We elect representatives, couldn't they keep secrets from us? NightWatcher Jul 2013 #11

Are you serious? FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #13

Of course I can. NightWatcher Jul 2013 #14

Secrets and secret LAWS are two different things. FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #17

If they apply to the citizenry, it'd be nice to know what they are NightWatcher Jul 2013 #19

"it'd be nice to know what they are" FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #20

admission that secret laws are incompatible with democracy. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #41

Yes nineteen50 Jul 2013 #24

Not if it is secret from our representative. eom Festivito Jul 2013 #23

Ooh! Pedantic hairsplitting! That's always a useful contribution! (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2013 #39

"It is one of the genuine marks of servitude to have the law either concealed or precarious." bemildred Jul 2013 #6

But a Democracy can authorize a secret body of law. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #8

You mean a democracy can voluntarily choose to become something else? FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #9

Senate and House oversight committees jberryhill Jul 2013 #12

Citizens targeted by these secret laws Maedhros Jul 2013 #33

So somebody just decided to make up some laws in secret? Who granted them the authority? Skidmore Jul 2013 #15

A democracy can authorize an agency to operate in secrecy. We do it all the time. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #16

That's not what is implied in the OP. Skidmore Jul 2013 #18

What agency can do that? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #30

Dont get me wrong. I am not advocating for secrecy, nor am I agreeing that rhett o rick Jul 2013 #34

The rules that the FBI is supposed to follow are not that secret. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #42

The key to what you said is that they are "supposed to follow". I think we are learning that these rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43

I just can't argue with you there. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #44

IMO we have a Constitutional Crisis. Laws are on the books today that IMHO clearly rhett o rick Jul 2013 #47

Yes. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #48

Yes nineteen50 Jul 2013 #25

And there isn't one jberryhill Jul 2013 #10

The accusation in your link has NOT been proven yet. tridim Jul 2013 #21

wrong: did you even read the letter? the word 'misinterpreting' isn't even in there. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #26

Right. There is no doubt at all, and the fearfully defiant international reaction JDPriestly Jul 2013 #49

When I look at the list of Senators who signed it . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #37

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #22

Secret laws, secret courts, secret spying, secret wars = Government of the people? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #27

K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #28

I little concerned about people who don't grasp this concept. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #29

It has to be secret for at least one practical reason... Pholus Jul 2013 #31

and this is exactly why the massive spying program is so freaking insidious, and everyone should be NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #32

That's the next step. It's coming unless we stop this madness. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #50

The Secret Government warrprayer Jul 2013 #35

I agree Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #36

f'n a - k 'n r nashville_brook Jul 2013 #38

K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #40

No there isn't, you are correct. But we stopped being a democracy quite a while ago. We tried to sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #45

That's pre-2008 thinking citizen. Your post has been logged. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #46

what's scary is, ignorance of the law is no excuse markiv Jul 2013 #51

you better celebrate your freedom this 4th, because it markiv Jul 2013 #52

That's ProSense Jul 2013 #53

There are, however, secret courts ... FISA ... ahem Bake Jul 2013 #54