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VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
85. Everyone KNOWS the capability exists....thats not news.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jul 2013

Has it specifically been done against someone? Show the proof of that.

You could say Rupert Murdoch was spying on individuals and used the GB police department. But it had to be proven....by individuals that it actually happened. See what I mean?

Because the capability exists...which is what these whistleblowers are saying...

The Government is refusing to release the docs authorizing the surveillance. dkf Jul 2013 #1
This usually causes a confrontation giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #8
Ding ding ding! +1 VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #2
this has puzzled me too grasswire Jul 2013 #3
Pretty sure we don't mention that other site's name here (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #127
It's become an international incident LittleBlue Jul 2013 #4
Oh my God!! "Snowden is the Kardashian of international politics now" Number23 Jul 2013 #68
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #137
Russ Tice claims that the NSA wiretapped Obama, Supreme court justices, leaders of think Jul 2013 #5
Where is the proof though? Talk is cheap and these guys know that.. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #7
Russ Tice blew the lid off the Bush administration illegal spying and that's your response? think Jul 2013 #12
Yes it is....but my talk isn't writing accusation checks that my ass cannot cover! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #13
So you are basically calling Tice a liar? think Jul 2013 #17
I am saying to anyone making these strong accusations... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #18
In other words yes, you think he is lying. thank you. think Jul 2013 #19
So I am supposed to just take his word for it? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #20
You immediately dimiss a whistle blower who went through hell to expose Bush think Jul 2013 #21
So to you the ends justify the means? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #31
You're either disingenuous, or you're devoid of logic DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #36
No requiring proof...IS logic! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #39
Ok DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #49
I haven't hitched my wagon to anybody....I don't even own a wagon as a matter of fact. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #53
There was the thing about his salary...$120k vs $200k. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #60
It's called credibility. Tice has it. The government does not. Th1onein Jul 2013 #65
No....credibility is not the heaviest weighted in a court room....physical evidence is. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #67
We are not in a courtroom, and even if we were...... Th1onein Jul 2013 #96
No he did not..... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #97
Why does it have to be either or? siligut Jul 2013 #121
Tice would love to testify AGAIN.... think Jul 2013 #51
I am not conveniently overlooking anything... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #77
Call it what you like. "Put or shut up" is an insult plain and simple. think Jul 2013 #78
Did he have physical evidence of it? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #79
Demand evidence from a gagged whistle blower before any investigation think Jul 2013 #82
Everyone KNOWS the capability exists....thats not news. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #85
ah the old "everybody already knew this" canard bobduca Jul 2013 #86
No that is NOT what I just said... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #90
Yes, and patently dismiss the possiblity because Tice is what? I conspiracy nut? think Jul 2013 #88
Not burying my head in any sand... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #91
So now we've switched from needing proof to even if it's true it is futile to resist spying? think Jul 2013 #92
No I haven't said that at all... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #94
Permanent log retention is a policy... it can be reversed. bobduca Jul 2013 #93
No because that data is valuable to them....the sell it to each other! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #98
Your rage aside, you don't have any evidence to support your beliefs DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #99
Oh Now I am "raging" VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #100
Your sunny demeanor aside, you don't have any proof to support your beliefs. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #102
You would I guess that doesn't surprise me at all... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #103
Your HTML degree confers knowledge to you about when the NSA is lying? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #106
hahahahaha "HTML Degree" VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #107
Front-end web design? Yes, I do acknowledge that it exists. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #108
hahahahaha Still laughing... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #109
You sure didn't indicate you were on the DBA end of the equation. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #113
SQL is near Universal. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #115
Three quarters of this page Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #134
What would qualify as proof in this instance? Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #72
You can't prove a negative.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #80
Simple answer is that the heavy-handed fail attempt two days ago morningfog Jul 2013 #6
the 'downing' of Morales' plane? wtf. Whisp Jul 2013 #10
It was forced to land. It was downed. morningfog Jul 2013 #15
next logical step in this irrational primal scream. the plane was downed Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #25
Good one. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #37
Do you really think that Snowden getting Asylum in any country in South America worries the CIA? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #11
What do you think the CIA will do to him? morningfog Jul 2013 #14
Capture him if he throws himself to the floor as soon as they burst into the door to get him. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #16
And if he doesn't? morningfog Jul 2013 #24
He cannot be that stupid.....He knows they are coming! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #27
I think you are suggesting that he could be killed by the CIA? morningfog Jul 2013 #29
It's up to Snowden.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #30
The good guys bobduca Jul 2013 #95
It does make it easier. Much easier. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #34
And the more he leaks about international spying, the farther he will cross the line pnwmom Jul 2013 #66
Great point. Until I read this I was thinking the USA wouldn't bother with a hit flamingdem Jul 2013 #71
We seem to have established a precedent for killing our own. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #135
He has managed not to cross that line yet. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #131
Well we could be discussing Orly Taitz instead. Lasher Jul 2013 #9
Damn you! winter is coming Jul 2013 #45
Ha ha ha, I guess that was brutal of me. Lasher Jul 2013 #116
TheFUCK we can't have it both ways... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #22
Because it implies there is still hope for a better world usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #23
there IS no privacy....there NEVER will be with an Internet! Period...people need to get that into VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #28
So say the authoritarian's then why does every site have a privacy policy? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #32
those laws were written before this new fangled invention called the Internet... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #33
Bullshit usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #35
No NOT Bullshit....sorry....but the Internet SAVES EVERYTHING! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #38
In fact....I just googled your handle.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #41
What's my email address? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #47
No its not....I am trying to prove to you that the Internet saves everything! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #50
BULLSHIT usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #52
Please stop denying the obvious....how do you think Google works? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #54
There is a BIG difference between PUBLIC and PRIVATE information usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #56
Not on the Internet there is not! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #58
I refuse to discuss with an ignorant person who pretends to know what he does not usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #61
the basics of search engines for you.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #63
No sense of civics or technology DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #40
Oh really? How does Google work? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #55
It ONLY indexes PUBLIC information usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #59
the Internet indexes EVERYTHING! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #101
whats my phone number? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #104
YOU think that is private? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #105
You don't have it do you? Therefore it's ipso-facto PRIVATE, non-PUBLIC, Personal Information NPPI usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #110
IPSO FACTO.....using the right tools I COULD VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #111
and you would go to jail usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #112
You are resorting to that already? treestar Jul 2013 #119
What, Facts? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #123
Well, actually, there is. sibelian Jul 2013 #69
And here is a google link that shows how easy it is usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #89
delete. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #26
If you haven't figured this out by now, trying to explain it to you would be Zorra Jul 2013 #42
It's about our Surveillance/Police State, that wants to crush him MNBrewer Jul 2013 #43
I started a thread about how we should start rectifying this by repealing the Patriot Act arely staircase Jul 2013 #44
Well, as a dyed in the wool "it's not about snowden" type sibelian Jul 2013 #70
Ratfucking doesn't focus on solutions...it creates discontent so voter turnout is lower. msanthrope Jul 2013 #87
Or try discussing the FISA treestar Jul 2013 #120
This is a Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #132
No yours is treestar Jul 2013 #136
Look upthread. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #138
there are a number of parts to the whole thing now... allin99 Jul 2013 #46
Because different people have different viewpoints. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #48
Because for all the assertions that CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #57
They are tied together. Cleita Jul 2013 #62
Just in case you were serious, if they wanted to kill him apples and oranges Jul 2013 #124
Your post that they can kill at will easily is really disturbing. Cleita Jul 2013 #125
You're just now noticing that the USA has the most powerful military and intelligence apples and oranges Jul 2013 #128
Why do so many: straddle the fence, or believe Zimmerman shoud be given the benefit of the doubt; TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #64
Its because what he brought into focus is undefendable. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2013 #73
Dunno. Who's posting them? sibelian Jul 2013 #74
Most of those threads were by the Snowden haters. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #75
OMG, it just dawned on me (sarcasm to lighten up the mood)- graham4anything Jul 2013 #76
I love spy vs. spy!! Grew up on Mad Magazine and they were faves flamingdem Jul 2013 #117
There aren't, hon. but good on you for making that up cali Jul 2013 #81
120+... sibelian Jul 2013 #84
The PRO-SNOWDEN faction meets and decides headlines bobduca Jul 2013 #83
I have not seen them nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #114
Ding ding winner! treestar Jul 2013 #118
Snowden's become a symbol of resistance to the authoritarian surveillance state. I say roll with it. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #122
Well a&o... 99Forever Jul 2013 #126
That's so juvenile apples and oranges Jul 2013 #129
This NSA case is Snowden's case. longship Jul 2013 #130
He's a seperate issue, but I still care about him as a person. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #133
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