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What the hell, DU? [View all] NuclearDem Jul 2013 OP
Thaaaaank you very much. sibelian Jul 2013 #1
I guess there's just no hope with reaching some people. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #3
I doubt any of them WOULD openly call themselves liberals. sibelian Jul 2013 #25
One of them even bragged to me in a post about being A Simple Game Jul 2013 #88
We're justy s-o-o-o inflexible that way. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #163
there are some bots you just can't reach.... think Jul 2013 #29
Part of the problem is that the word "liberal" is often used interchangeably with merrily Jul 2013 #74
Be carefrul of how you express yourself Plucketeer Jul 2013 #200
No fucking way hootinholler Jul 2013 #259
Yep: Some think it repression when 'the other' does it, 'defending freedom' when one does it. panzerfaust Jul 2013 #84
What hapened? Congnitive dissonance. Are we pro-Obama or Pro-Civil Liberties BlueStreak Jul 2013 #157
Couldn't agreed more. AmBlue Jul 2013 #188
Yeah, things ain't what they use to be here. southerncrone Jul 2013 #2
I don't see it. Crow73 Jul 2013 #118
Not mad. southerncrone Jul 2013 #202
Thank you so much newfie11 Jul 2013 #4
Its changed a lot warrant46 Jul 2013 #30
if you criticize the government the terrorist have already won Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #5
And the right wing, too! AND the libertarians. sibelian Jul 2013 #6
Also, Mitt Romney is going to win. Somehow. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #9
Where's the sarcasm tag. You just forced me to exercise idependant thought... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #11
Who wins if the government..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #16
Wow....that is some black or white thinking right there.... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #41
OMG LMFAO L0oniX Jul 2013 #176
The McCarthyism is what really gets me. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #7
Got a link to a DUer saying illegal surveillance isn't problematic? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #15
Neither are they saying it's more important than the issue of Mr. Snowden. :-/ n/t DeSwiss Jul 2013 #17
There have been plenty but not going to bother pointing them out to you rhett o rick Jul 2013 #90
They're special alright. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #161
There's been plenty. Try this: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #21
He was the first person i thought of when I saw LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #23
It was a whole different world of surveillance under the dick and w madokie Jul 2013 #31
I agree. Sad that the OP comes out of "lurking" just to smear fellow DUers. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #58
it's far kinder and gentler under obama.. frylock Jul 2013 #86
"kinder and gentler under obama" ? NM_Birder Jul 2013 #147
I suspect poster is being a little dry. nt sibelian Jul 2013 #220
So you claim that James Clapper changed the surveillance programs when Obama became president? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #169
That post says no such thing. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #53
There is no difference in wiretapping w/o a warrant and wiretapping with a FISA kangaroo warrant. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #167
You're changing the subject. I asked the poster for a link to back up his assertions. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #194
Right. Got "a link" to someone smearing Snowden AND acknowledging his point? DirkGently Jul 2013 #49
I see. You have nothing. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #56
Well, I kind of put the lie to your post, there. DirkGently Jul 2013 #57
What lie? You did not dispute it at all. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #59
You made an easily demolished specious argument. DirkGently Jul 2013 #65
Not true. I asked for a link to back up the poster's assertion. Which no one has done. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #68
Gibberish. No one said you smeared DUers. DirkGently Jul 2013 #72
Since when is asking for a link to back up an assertion "specious"? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #87
Try doing a search on 'your phone records don't belong to you'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #235
I see you have nothing either. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #237
+1000 LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #70
Thanks, Dirk, I'll adopt your answer to the question SunSeeker posed to me. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #69
It is not an "answer." I asked for a link that says what you claim DUers are saying. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #239
It IS an answer if you take the trouble to read what I actually wrote. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #244
I did read your response. There was no link to back up your smear of DUers. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #246
You complain about DUers attacking DUers -- which is what you're doing. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #250
LOL. So pointing out that you're attacking DUers is "attacking" you?! SunSeeker Jul 2013 #252
Nicely Done, Dirk. bvar22 Jul 2013 #122
Here you go. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #255
That poster does not say he supports illegal surveillance. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #256
The McCarthyism on display is why I have so many hidden posts. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #135
There's a very simple test you can use: 7962 Jul 2013 #8
Exactly. n/t mattclearing Jul 2013 #12
Exactly! Maat Jul 2013 #26
It is PRECISELY that easy. As a Catholic and a Democrat, I support principles, not fallible men. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #37
Yup. nt Nay Jul 2013 #120
Yep. +1 GoneFishin Jul 2013 #130
Very shallow response. IMO Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #150
What DID they say when bu$h was president, should be the question. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #228
Spot On! micraphone Jul 2013 #10
You and I are on the same page it seems... silvershadow Jul 2013 #13
K&R. Thanks. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #14
It's disgusting whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #18
I just don't read posts by certain people. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #19
You still have a few good soldiers (nt) MichaelMcGuire Jul 2013 #20
Well said. My feelings exactly. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #22
Thank You - Well Said cantbeserious Jul 2013 #24
Shocking how some will justify ANYTHING because of the 'D'. eom SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #27
it's not the 'D' - it's the 'O' Skittles Jul 2013 #108
Actually, I think it's a K... backscatter712 Jul 2013 #110
I know there are plenty of trolls Skittles Jul 2013 #112
I'm sure there's money in it marions ghost Jul 2013 #184
That too: SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #149
Skinner won't police his site. That's the problem. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #28
How is the jury system gamed? Honest question. Demit Jul 2013 #35
Maybe not gamed, but it is ineffective... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #92
My bet is that the 50-centers or trolls have dummy accounts set up just to do jury-duties. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #98
You're talking about the Paulbots. baldguy Jul 2013 #171
no doubt... nebenaube Jul 2013 #158
Indeed. If 4 people just don't like you your post gets hidden. Doesn't matter if rules were broken. L0oniX Jul 2013 #179
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #210
It's not. Posteritatis Jul 2013 #151
There is a fungus among us, that's for sure. nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #102
a black mold - poisoning discussion here! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #109
How do you know whether someone is a paid shill or not? Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #178
Yes, and it will continue to get worse woo me with science Jul 2013 #204
PLUS A BRAZILLION! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #207
+1,000,000 nt LWolf Jul 2013 #245
If anyone ever wonders why I love you so much, this post is why n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #267
Exactly. The definition is called "Manufacturing Consent".. 2banon Dec 2013 #268
In fairness to the admins, the paid shills are very good at not crossing the line. Zorra Jul 2013 #232
One is only as liberal as their most conservative investment. raouldukelives Jul 2013 #32
what a damn great op. spot on. stick around, would you? cali Jul 2013 #33
What happened to DU? Follow the money, honey! Divernan Jul 2013 #34
Exactly! AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #54
The long and short of it PATRICK Jul 2013 #36
fanboi's KG Jul 2013 #38
If you're a left-leaning, 4th Amendment loving, anti-corporate, anti-establishment libertarian baldguy Jul 2013 #39
speak of the devil usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #44
Bwahaha! And that guy doesn't even realize truedelphi Jul 2013 #142
LMAO L0oniX Jul 2013 #181
Pffft! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #208
that's ironic grasswire Jul 2013 #52
Irony has a built in blindness. L0oniX Jul 2013 #182
DU is infected with trolls. ananda Jul 2013 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #42
K&R!! felix_numinous Jul 2013 #43
Obama is the one calling for power to be scaled back. Vote a different Congress in 2014 JaneyVee Jul 2013 #45
If Obama wants to scale back on power Maedhros Jul 2013 #82
Posters like her should be called "Catapulters" rusty fender Jul 2013 #111
I know. They definitely receive the same scripts. Maedhros Jul 2013 #124
I don't care what he "calls for", as per his camaign rhetoric. Divernan Jul 2013 #91
What he "says" and What he "DOES"........ bvar22 Jul 2013 #104
Heckuva job, Clapper. Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #117
LOL.... EXACTLY!!!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #123
Then his rogue justice dept. needs to be leashed, they are going for a cover-up Dragonfli Jul 2013 #105
Aw, geeze. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #229
Welcome back usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #46
knr forestpath Jul 2013 #47
Its the BAB, bub! Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #48
+ 1000 MissDeeds Jul 2013 #146
Why do pro corporatism and Obama lurve go hand in hand? Oh wait... BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #50
Wellstone: Stand up. Keep fighting. grasswire Jul 2013 #51
Hear, hear. AmBlue Jul 2013 #55
yep marions ghost Jul 2013 #185
Welcome back Savannahmann Jul 2013 #60
We're being trained to be obedient. Gregorian Jul 2013 #61
agreed n/t RainDog Jul 2013 #62
Welcome back.. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #63
nadinbrzezinski nineteen50 Jul 2013 #173
When do we get to have our own church? L0oniX Jul 2013 #183
You want to try herding this group of cats nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #186
I don't believe they're trolls or paid shills Ratty Jul 2013 #64
+1. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #95
Having to look--really look--at the implications marions ghost Jul 2013 #116
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #66
No ProSense Jul 2013 #67
Self parody is the Best parody, so thanks for your entry! Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #77
I don't take you seriously. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #81
You can't say "supercillious" without "super silly". Kurovski Jul 2013 #162
Prosense: "Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal." woo me with science Jul 2013 #97
Ouch. The mark THAT leaves is indelible. bvar22 Jul 2013 #119
I guess that's why woo me with science Jul 2013 #121
She has backed herself into a corner where she has to deny that any massive domestic surveillance Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #127
You've been duped. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #199
Well I agree you could have been lying. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #226
I guess being disingenuous is cool. ProSense Jul 2013 #231
"duped"..."disingenuous" bvar22 Jul 2013 #240
Love it! Pro Sense outed as opposed to Obama's spying on citizens! Divernan Jul 2013 #137
Can't quit ProSense Jul 2013 #198
So then you DISAGREE with the current surveillance of Americans? That's good to know sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #241
Nice find! a2liberal Jul 2013 #203
PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #211
... Enthusiast Jul 2013 #212
opps. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #230
The Straw Man is Snowden LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #125
Right!Despite"Years of challenges to NSA"it keeps growing like a malignant cancer Divernan Jul 2013 #141
Mahalo ProSense for your post replying so well to this disingenuous, Cha Jul 2013 #189
Amazing, isn't it? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #201
Irony up the wazoo in this post. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2014 #269
Meta treestar Jul 2013 #71
Let me guess. When you last followed DU closely, Bush was in office. merrily Jul 2013 #73
K & f'ing R N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2013 #75
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #76
Agreed. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #78
Well said! BlueJac Jul 2013 #79
Hear Hear snagglepuss Jul 2013 #80
Liberals still are in favor of rights Doctor_J Jul 2013 #83
"...the surrender to the powerful simply because they have a (D)... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #85
This is the voice of the DU I joined in 2005 Not Sure Jul 2013 #89
Hear, hear. n/t Alkene Jul 2013 #144
Personally I think we need a new progressive DU. go west young man Jul 2013 #93
Perfectly stated - thanks for putting down what I've been feeling for weeks. K and R. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #94
you have to use the ignore feature.. xiamiam Jul 2013 #96
Patience, He'll Be Gone otohara Jul 2013 #99
What's happened to DU? woo me with science Jul 2013 #100
Beautifully put, woo me with science: Z_I_Peevey Jul 2013 #153
Recovering Republicans Warpy Jul 2013 #101
+1000000 a2liberal Jul 2013 #103
Thank you. I fully agree. richmwill Jul 2013 #106
THANK YOU Skittles Jul 2013 #107
I responded to this post earlier this morning zeeland Jul 2013 #113
Poster "Violet Crumble" posted that the thread was locked. Divernan Jul 2013 #132
What a shitty thing to do. zeeland Jul 2013 #139
It was exactly what Scarletwoman said... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #197
No problem. It's just the way the timing worked out. zeeland Jul 2013 #215
She is a host of GD. What probably happened was that some hosts had voted to lock this, scarletwoman Jul 2013 #174
What kind of bullshit is this. You want group think, then du isn't for you still_one Jul 2013 #114
it's not group think Skittles Jul 2013 #138
A big ol K + R! BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #115
Proud DURec! bvar22 Jul 2013 #126
Checks & Balances are what They've deleted .... orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #128
most who joined them were paid to do so and are only here for the check yurbud Jul 2013 #129
I also suspect multiple avatars for some individuals, since you mentioned GoneFishin Jul 2013 #131
When the Snowden story broke, they came out with entire sock drawers! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #134
the easy way to tell their real numbers or close to it is post a poll yurbud Jul 2013 #136
There is a system in place, though. Expect the numbers to rise. woo me with science Jul 2013 #159
The ability to tell nineteen50 Jul 2013 #133
Well put-together OP. Kurovski Jul 2013 #140
K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #143
Hitler had his followers, too. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #145
Huge K&R MissDeeds Jul 2013 #148
They're republicans playing a democrat on a message board Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #152
Gives me a better understanding of how we got here Herlong Jul 2013 #154
What a great post. NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #155
You might be on to something. Actually, you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. indepat Jul 2013 #156
Hear, hear,. very well said. Nothing can be good without criticism. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #160
Trolls, right wingers sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #164
You're kidding, Right? farmbo Jul 2013 #165
He's not kidding, even though no one can back up his assertions about DUers with any links. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #253
the worst part of it all is, THEY FEEL THE SAME MisterP Jul 2013 #166
I'm Also One Who Left Here & Just Recently ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #168
kr Norrin Radd Jul 2013 #170
I have coined a new term for some of my "Democratic" friends. airplaneman Jul 2013 #172
If Snowden was an unabashed liberal -- and a Republican was in the White House - would you support Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #180
I think I would reserve judgment based on what this guy actually did bring to light. airplaneman Jul 2013 #214
My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying... L0oniX Jul 2013 #175
Welcome back. LWolf Jul 2013 #177
Just wanted to point out that Glenn Greenwald is *NOT* a libertarian... pacalo Jul 2013 #187
Thanks Pacalo, Greenwald has always supported SS and other Liberal policies. For a sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #216
This message was self-deleted by its author pacalo Jul 2013 #217
I pointed that out because I've seen that labeling a number of times & it's factually wrong. pacalo Jul 2013 #218
Welcome back, we need you. Curmudgeoness Jul 2013 #190
Very well done. gateley Jul 2013 #191
Sorry a bit of common sense and pragmatism doesnt fit your version of a progressive/liberal. DCBob Jul 2013 #192
"Common sense" and "pragmatism" sibelian Jul 2013 #221
My point is many of you are completey out of touch with reality. DCBob Jul 2013 #222
Another meaningless aphorism. sibelian Jul 2013 #223
I guess for some "reality" is an elusive concept. DCBob Jul 2013 #225
So it would appear. sibelian Jul 2013 #227
Is that you, Chuckles? LWolf Jul 2013 #248
Excellent. woo me with science Jul 2013 #263
You can still be a progressive brush Jul 2013 #193
Absolutely! Lonr Jul 2013 #195
I proudly give you your 300th rec AAO Jul 2013 #196
Kick. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #205
This message was self-deleted by its author ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #206
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #209
There is no longer a represented left wing in this country Vanje Jul 2013 #213
Some excellent points in your reply pecwae Jul 2013 #219
Maybe that's the goal? n/t sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #233
If that's so pecwae Jul 2013 #234
Well, there's no logic to defending Bush policies on a Democratic forum other sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #236
same goal as Sen. Cranston had in '78 and the DLC had in '88: to move the party MisterP Jul 2013 #238
How hopeless pecwae Jul 2013 #243
not really: it just needs organization and willingness to *fight* for goals and principles MisterP Jul 2013 #247
I hate to gum up this pecwae Jul 2013 #258
alas, this is all stuff I've learned over the decade--maybe I'll make a nice, magisterial OP 1 day MisterP Jul 2013 #264
Yes. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #249
Oh yeah! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #224
Another thing you might be noticing nolabels Jul 2013 #242
Props! JackRiddler Jul 2013 #251
here!! here!! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #254
341 recs. You are not alone. There are a lot of us who feel this way. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #257
k & r whttevrr Jul 2013 #260
Your memory is selective. Orsino Jul 2013 #261
kick Zorra Jul 2013 #262
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #265
Rec'd before but now it's time for a kick n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #266
K&R for the very sad, hard truth. nt DLevine Jan 2014 #270
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