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Pholus

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100. In the U.S. foxconn would be sunk under wrongful death lawsuits.

Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:37 PM

Feb 2012

That's why our greedy corrupt companies like it over there. Lots of exploitative "cheap labor" who work because they're over a barrel. Of course, since we're talking Apple, it's ok.

In fact, may I propose the term IOKIYA -- "It's okay if you're Apple" so that we can conclude threads like this with less bandwidth. It can be used both seriously and ironically with the right inflection.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Tesha Feb 2012 OP

Hmm not what I was expecting to read. dkf Feb 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #5

Definitely food for thought. dkf Feb 2012 #8

The related post is the Scheer article which was discussed elsewhere this morning... Pholus Feb 2012 #9

Americans should feel guilty buying anything from China. Zalatix Feb 2012 #84

Leavenworth is better than Alcatraz?? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #2

and we should believe them because??? mucifer Feb 2012 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #4

Mike Daisey has been to the Foxconn factory FredisDead Feb 2012 #10

Has he been to the garment factories? Javaman Feb 2012 #18

Apples to wrenches? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #6

Man, the whiplash in the required party line is pretty bad... Pholus Feb 2012 #7

Wow, thank you for that fascinating report, everyone should check this out. joshcryer Feb 2012 #55

Kind of reminds me of how gays are treated FreeState Feb 2012 #67

way, way above average of the norm GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #11

Great point "the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm." grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #15

As long as the Chinese workers are all happy I guess. Again, I point to Scheer. Pholus Feb 2012 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #19

Yet, some of them would still rather commit suicide than stay or go back. Incitatus Feb 2012 #22

if higher ed had the same suicide rate as foxconn belcffub Feb 2012 #35

Lies, damn lies and statistics. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #45

47 suicides over 36 years.. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #70

There were 300,000 workers at the Foxconn factory in question. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #72

ding ding ding belcffub Feb 2012 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #76

is the 400% internationalized belcffub Feb 2012 #75

How about 'all of the above' has a problem. Zalatix Feb 2012 #85

Apparently quakerboy Feb 2012 #53

The preventative measures were to the library and local bridge.. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #71

That's easy. Make students sign a no-suicide pact with financial penalties for their survivors. Pholus Feb 2012 #82

Fascinating. North Korea also has a similar law, if you kill yourself, your entire family suffers. joshcryer Feb 2012 #88

I guess there is more than one way to look at your data point. Pholus Feb 2012 #24

That's exactly why we need steep tariffs on the Chinese goods, grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #39

Begs the question - how bad is the norm? We need to end the Costly Trade Agreements, increase tariff grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #34

All the more reason to bring them back! grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #38

Way, way? Is that some professional lingo? Is 'way, way' twice 'way' or 10x 'way'? Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #14

It's a professional term: Way, way is "way to the way'th power" In other words EXPONENTIALLY. nt Pholus Feb 2012 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #26

Let me repeat my previous post using smaller posts. Pholus Feb 2012 #27

BTW, I'll see your request and ask for a copy of your CV as well. Pholus Feb 2012 #28

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Ah yes, it is the fault of the "Murcan" so the onus is on him. Pholus Feb 2012 #41

Your points are logical, and well reasoned, I do not expect a coherent response. joshcryer Feb 2012 #57

Thanks. You know I tend not to be reasonable myself though, right? ;) Pholus Feb 2012 #61

I'm glad you pointed out the required technical conditions, I probably would've overlooked that. joshcryer Feb 2012 #64

I'm simply amazed how things like this can ever be justified. Or that people even try... Pholus Feb 2012 #87

Your information and rational, cogent arguments jsmirman Feb 2012 #108

Bullshit: there's an app for that nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #30

Most workers get 3 beatings a day, ours only get 2. We're 33% nicer. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #21

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Forgive if I implied the workers are in any way at fault for anything Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #36

No, but we would have the monetary leverage to save our own people. Zalatix Feb 2012 #86

See, we don't beat our slaves. marmar Feb 2012 #23

"the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm" TBF Feb 2012 #49

Sounds to me like "Hey, there *might* be a *surprise* inspection on Tuesday at 6:30 a.m." n/t Earth_First Feb 2012 #25

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Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #40

So conditions aren't as bad as they are at places with worse conditions? Iggo Feb 2012 #33

I recall some left wing agitator saying one that raouldukelives Feb 2012 #37

The board of the "Fair Labor Association" is full of corporate CEOs. What a joke! Romulox Feb 2012 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #46

It's a significant amount, to be sure. I consider it dishonest not to disclose this fact Romulox Feb 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #50

You quoted a trade group as if it were a NGO or similar. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #51

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"The Fair Labor Association" (sic) is an INDUSTRY GROUP. NOT an NGO! Romulox Feb 2012 #56

This is a joke, right? girl gone mad Feb 2012 #44

IMHO, some of this raises questions about using DU for commercial promotion. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #52

So anyone who uses an electronic device has no business being concerned about the working conditions Incitatus Feb 2012 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #66

When you're an image-centered brand, "everybody else does it" does NOT cut it. Pholus Feb 2012 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #62

Bwahahahaha...CHECKMATE! I actually PASS your purity test as you stated it. Pholus Feb 2012 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #89

Yes. I imagine you thought this comeback was a real winner. THEN YOU RAN ACROSS ME... Pholus Feb 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #93

Your argument is one of moral equivalence between Apple Corporation Romulox Feb 2012 #97

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"Would you would you in a box...would you would you with a fox." Pholus Feb 2012 #98

Someone's getting seriously worked over here, and it ain't Pholus jsmirman Feb 2012 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #120

I thought you said I wasn't worth debating with. I'll counter that Walmart sells loads too. Pholus Feb 2012 #121

Incidentally, that does prove you ran out of arguments when you resorted to "neener neener" talk. Pholus Feb 2012 #122

Only a very small number. I'm glad we are on the same side on this issue. joshcryer Feb 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #63

Oh yes, I know, and I enjoy our little back and forths. joshcryer Feb 2012 #65

Don't bring facts to the anti-Apple crowd. former9thward Feb 2012 #68

A ridiculous comparison. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #77

No it would not. former9thward Feb 2012 #91

I appreciate the tactics which were brought to bear to make this happen. Very classy. See #82. Pholus Feb 2012 #83

Actually all companies in the U.S. that have life insurance do this. former9thward Feb 2012 #92

In the U.S. foxconn would be sunk under wrongful death lawsuits. Pholus Feb 2012 #100

Many companies use Foxconn former9thward Feb 2012 #106

Okay. Let's put this "everybody does it" thing to bed here. It's simply morally repugnant. Pholus Feb 2012 #110

The Chinese people disagree with you. former9thward Feb 2012 #111

Oh yes. People fight hard when desperate. Fundamental tenet of the "cheap labor" movement. Pholus Feb 2012 #112

Of course they would go to robots if they could. former9thward Feb 2012 #113

Apple says that you too hold a blacksmith's hammer in the brave new "global economy." Pholus Feb 2012 #114

Well my insane leap of logic was already in my previous post former9thward Feb 2012 #115

You make no sense. Why would ruining a perfectly functional TV make this better? Pholus Feb 2012 #116

"the norm" = A poke in the eye with a sharp stick. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #79

Not enough? Too many? Who counts? Just call me an Apple hater; I like it. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #80

From "better than the norm!" to "EVERYBODY'S doin' it!" in a few short equivocations. Romulox Feb 2012 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #95

I reject your premise; namely that owning Chinese made products makes Romulox Feb 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #99

The Fair Labor Association is a phony, industry-funded "watchdog" brentspeak Feb 2012 #103

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This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #107

Sorry, your OP was corporate PR spin. It got shredded. Pholus Feb 2012 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #118

We stopped debating when you ran out of new things to say. Pholus Feb 2012 #119

Agreed. I've shown above just how absurd the moral equivalism will get. Pholus Feb 2012 #101

Why did Anti-Apartheid protestors pick on Barclays sudopod Feb 2012 #104