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TorchTheWitch

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20. they didn't do nearly as a good a job as they could have
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jul 2013

And they had plenty to work with. Though Guy and the 3rd prosecutor whose name I still haven't figured out did a good job, but Bernie in particular was a mess. Though the jurors may have found him silly and even a buffoon at times, at least that's not something that's really annoying or would reflect badly on the case itself. Though de la Rionda is supposed to have a long and distinguished record in my eyes he just belly flopped on this case in a number of ways that at least thankfully his second and third chair were good enough to mostly clean up.

Despite the job that prosecution did as a whole, I think they still made the lies clear and that the evidence speaks for itself for at least manslaughter. However, they could have done a MUCH better job hitting on every one of the lies, clarifying of points particularly important ones. They (meaning Bernie) did unfortunately waste time and energy arguing things that did not matter like who was on top and who the screams sounded like they belonged to. It never mattered which one was one top, and the only way for the jurors to be able to decide who the screams belonged to was not what it sounded like but the fact that the screams abruptly stopped after the gunshot and that though they were continuous Zimmerman claimed that he was being smothered and therefore wouldn't have been able to scream.

The defense fortunately was terrible. O'Mara came off as a condescending smarmy snake oil salesman that was ridiculously transparent and West came off as a ghastly annoying bully. They repeatedly angered the judge, and jurors notice such things. Jurors also don't like being talked down to as though they're stupid and don't like seeing witnesses talked down to that way either... particularly female jurors who have been talked down to and marginalized as inherently stupid all their lives. I have no doubt that whatever each juror thinks of the case itself that they despise both defense counsel, and in some degree that always rubs off on their client. O'Mara in particular made many amateur mistakes. The longer he went on and on pointing out every little smudge, dink and speck on on Zimmerman's face and head the more he made it clear that his injuries were insignificant. He also made the colossal mistake of continually interjecting possible reasons for every little detail that had nothing to do with what his client claimed and were very often contradictory. This served to only highlight Zimmerman's lies and only served to make even more ridiculous the more ludicrous ones. Saying "couldn't this have been what happened" when it's not what your client said what happened and is even contradictory to what your client said happened ain't helping your client.

And O'Mara's standing up and tucking in his shirt by jamming his arm down his pants to the elbow was disgusting especially when he kept doing it while not wearing his suit jacket. Gross, but at least not as gross as the defense attorney in the Arias case constantly shoving his finger up his nostril on national tv. I don't think I'll see anything that will out-gross that. Now hear this gentlemen: when on national tv and especially in a court of law in front of a jury don't do gross things like shove your finger up your nose or tuck in your shirt by jamming your arm down your pants up to the elbow, and for heaven's sake don't do it standing up with your front facing a jury especially a jury full of women.

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I had not heard this. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #1
It seems that people have been.... Renew Deal Jul 2013 #2
has there been a verdict? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #3
No Renew Deal Jul 2013 #5
Well If the verdict is guilty the answer is clearly no arely staircase Jul 2013 #7
Couldn't the prosecution win in spite of their best efforts not to? Renew Deal Jul 2013 #9
Possible. arely staircase Jul 2013 #14
As of 10:15 Central (11:15 Eastern) on Saturday, there was still no verdict OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #4
There could be a verdict at any time today Renew Deal Jul 2013 #6
are they deliberating through the weekend? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #8
Don't know Renew Deal Jul 2013 #10
Many thought the prosecutor did such a bad job that the verdict would come yesterday OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #11
I would pay more attention to what a sucessful lawyer thinks. Casey Anthony's lawyer Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #12
Is he saying Zimmerman is innocent? Renew Deal Jul 2013 #17
I don't know, but he sure thinks John Guy is a good trial lawyer Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #41
A trial is not a play/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #13
Prosecutors like charging people pipoman Jul 2013 #15
One way to "throw the case" is by overcharging Renew Deal Jul 2013 #18
Yeah, true, the prosecutor would have been strung up pipoman Jul 2013 #23
No, the special prosecutor premium Jul 2013 #28
Some Posted This Before & I Asked... ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #16
Overcharging is a way to throw a case Renew Deal Jul 2013 #19
they didn't do nearly as a good a job as they could have TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #20
. DrDan Jul 2013 #21
If it were not for atty John Guy...(Costner) FarPoint Jul 2013 #22
Yes, His Opening & Closing Marks Where ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #24
I placed Costner in () FarPoint Jul 2013 #25
Ok, It's Kevin Costner... ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #27
No silly... FarPoint Jul 2013 #29
OOOOOOOKaaaaay, Gotcha ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #31
I'm a bit hyper today myself... FarPoint Jul 2013 #32
ME Too... And Just An Added Note ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #35
You are soooo cool.......... FarPoint Jul 2013 #36
And risk their careers... there is much silliness here. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #26
Which of those cops are "risking their careers" by mailing it in on the stand? DefenseLawyer Jul 2013 #38
The question wasn't about cops now, was it? No. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #39
When was the last time a prosecutor was actually disciplined for prosecutorial misconduct? DefenseLawyer Jul 2013 #40
None of the above Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #30
If the media reports of their case are accurate, they left out so much tblue37 Jul 2013 #33
No. They just didn't have much of a case. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #34
I thought most of the police witnesses were in the tank for Zimmerman. DefenseLawyer Jul 2013 #37
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