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38. there's a young man at work who is an apologist,

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:54 PM

Jul 2013

...I discovered the other day when he asked my opinion about the trial. I told him I'll tell you after YOU tell me what you think (I'm notoriously passionate about politics and usually avoid discussions at work with anyone I might get into a heated debate with). He hit every wingnut / gun nut meme out there, finishing with this justification: there are pictures of Trayvon Martin posing with a gun.

I was astounded, and have yet to be able look at him without real disappointment. I have to chock it up to his age (22) and just refuse to discuss anything outside of work with him or I'm gonna let him have it.

So I'm with ya.

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Zimmerman apologists completely and absolutely disgust me [View all] CatWoman Jul 2013 OP

Gun humpers cannot stand the fact that Zimmerman is going down Rex Jul 2013 #1

What is a gun humper Rex? Duckwraps Jul 2013 #58

Pizza Pizza malokvale77 Jul 2013 #126

Someone who loves their weapon as if it's a living being. Boomerproud Jul 2013 #138

I HOPE he's going down. calimary Jul 2013 #68

It sets a horrifying precedent: tblue Jul 2013 #164

The difference lies with the action person B takes... Pelican Jul 2013 #212

Not at all AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #233

How does person B Keefer Jul 2013 #252

What it really is BainsBane Jul 2013 #110

It really doesn't seem like this case is as complicated as it is being made out to be Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #2

I Agree, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #3

it could have been my grandson CatWoman Jul 2013 #7

I'm with you, CatWoman...n/t hlthe2b Jul 2013 #4

Very true. nt. countingbluecars Jul 2013 #5

Do you have some names to give us? I have not seen one post of anyone who decided at the outset Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #6

it's against DU rules to call out people by names CatWoman Jul 2013 #8

Nope. I see posts that link to "example" posts occasionally. There's no problem w/that. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #30

You mean like this one? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #47

Thanks for doing the research. crim son Jul 2013 #78

That is just the claptrap blather I ran into late this afternoon... Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #146

This poster is all over the place, doin' the 'What Me, Gloatin'?' It's disgusting, dark, puerile. byronius Jul 2013 #249

It's really disgusting that they couldn't wait a few days LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #251

I guess Honeycomb Caretha Jul 2013 #143

Lots of noobs and sleepers suddenly waking up. Ikonoklast Jul 2013 #169

Why are you bringing this up now? Are you trying to gloat? Not a good time. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #188

I have been in a few fights, but only once where I knew the guy was trying to kill me. reusrename Jul 2013 #91

yep d_r Jul 2013 #148

I can't even get past the point tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #205

That, right there, is the tipping point. RC Jul 2013 #240

Pretty much pipi_k Jul 2013 #93

I vote for Caretha Jul 2013 #147

I hear you OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #183

Yeah, nobody on DU has a clue, as the trial was secret and behind closed and locked doors. RC Jul 2013 #241

Obviously a large number of people here did not have a clue, and still don't really understand BlueStreak Jul 2013 #261

Considering there are 10,000 posts seeking Zimmerman's head for every post BlueStreak Jul 2013 #9

oh CatWoman Jul 2013 #10

Hey, squirrels deserve better. BTW, I agree with OP. Hoyt Jul 2013 #24

Because of trollish posts like this one, since you know that is a lie. Rex Jul 2013 #14

I will graciously accept your apology now BlueStreak Jul 2013 #173

Let people vent bobduca Jul 2013 #245

It is too much to ask that people needing a decompression pick a dozen threads and vent there? BlueStreak Jul 2013 #255

Today ... bobduca Jul 2013 #256

You are probably right. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #259

+1,000 malaise Jul 2013 #11

I am sure most people on this site agree with you, I certainly do Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #12

It almost seems like there is a vigilante fantasy that's being threatened by this trial. arcane1 Jul 2013 #13

Father!!! CatWoman Jul 2013 #15

Bingo. My particular favorite is the DUer that wrote JanMichael Jul 2013 #51

I guess I'm one of those "apologists"... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #16

But apparently not so disgusted by Zimmerman who killed a child before the facts came out Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #18

Only an uncivilized person goes around killing people w/o getting the facts. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #33

That's it for me JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #77

The facts were clear from the outset burnodo Jul 2013 #20

Zimmerman never said that. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #21

Probably because they couldn't prove it burnodo Jul 2013 #23

So did I. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #28

You should see a hearing specialist burnodo Jul 2013 #35

My hearing was fine during my last physical. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #49

You aren't supposed to remember that. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #156

Yes, they are totally different sounds. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #208

you need your hearing checked as well, Hissy burnodo Jul 2013 #209

I don't need my hearing checked. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #210

Its not about wanting to hear it burnodo Jul 2013 #211

Nope. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #213

You're wrong burnodo Jul 2013 #214

He sure as hell did! nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #25

He's either saying "coons" or "goons" Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #266

There was so much prosecutors couldn't bring up because they couldn't call Zimmerman to the stand. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #254

The problem with the tape is there was just enough background noise davidpdx Jul 2013 #206

Do you think he will ever be free to walk around and feel safe again. kimbutgar Jul 2013 #226

not nearly what he deserves burnodo Jul 2013 #234

Fact: Zimmerman was told NOT to persue Martin Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #22

FACT: The civilian dispatcher had absolutely no authority... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #26

neither would a fireman but if going against their request cases death that's manslaughter uponit7771 Jul 2013 #32

That's where many of us differ customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #152

No one called it an order - he was advised. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #34

a dispatcher can order him DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #40

FACT: Children are TAUGHT to fight when an adult stranger gets close enough to grab them blm Jul 2013 #46

A minor correction: they are told to fight and scream for help. arcane1 Jul 2013 #62

Right - so until Zimmy apologists tell us what they teach their children in their town they blm Jul 2013 #75

I don't recommend losing sleep waiting for that. arcane1 Jul 2013 #109

Nor did Zimmerman have any authority to pursue Martin sarge43 Jul 2013 #89

Yep, and Martin had no idea the cops were on the way. arcane1 Jul 2013 #116

However, you do admit that Zimmerman followed Trayvon. And if that's so, your bullshit Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #96

What authority did Zimmerman have? malokvale77 Jul 2013 #135

He wasn't breaking any laws... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #139

Earth to NaturalHigh Caretha Jul 2013 #157

Thank You malokvale77 Jul 2013 #166

apparently, it's not illegal in florida. nt tomp Jul 2013 #220

What law was Trayvon breaking, by walking home with Skittles and Tea? malokvale77 Jul 2013 #160

You 100% correct. Obviously the only authority he needed was ... "the gun". ieoeja Jul 2013 #177

BS...I didn't "win" anything. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #179

Well I make the observation that there must be door prize for the last word, WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #190

Nobody wins? RetroLounge Jul 2013 #268

So would you mind if I followed you with a gun pitbullgirl1965 Jul 2013 #228

Yup, no authority just like Wannabe Zimmerman ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2013 #243

..and told by nwp too, that's almost open and shut manslaughter imho uponit7771 Jul 2013 #27

You would have more credibility if you would answer the question that has been posed to you Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #37

I'd love to hear the answer to that Hugabear Jul 2013 #57

Of course Martin had a right to defend himself... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #59

You Have Zero Evidence That is A Fact, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #82

If the jury acquits, sir, will you say that they had no facts? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #83

There Is No Independent Witness To What You Stated As A Fact, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #88

Now I know you're full of shit! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #90

Indeed, Sir: He Did Let the Mask Slip There.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #99

I think he's just baiting us, to be perfectly honest. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #104

Legally, the person on trial gets the benefit of the doubt. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #100

Not In Regard To Veracity, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #107

The "lynch mob" Fox News talking point is nothing more than offensive bullshit. Just Saying Jul 2013 #41

No guessing at all. You are, and your opinion is disgusting. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #42

My opinion that guilt should have to be proven... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #73

And the one person who could prove it is DEAD!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #102

That's the way that murder trials work. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #103

But you only give the murderer the benefit of the doubt, not the murdered kid. It's disgusting! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #105

It's the defendant that needs the benefit of the doubt, because it's his fate that is being decided. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #150

If you haven't followed the case closely, how can you be so sure. The dead boy doesn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #151

I'm saying only that Zimmerman deserves the same standard of proof as any other criminal defendant. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #161

Don't confuse justice with the legal system. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #191

But not before someone Crunchy Frog Jul 2013 #106

Never mind, you're not worth the effort. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #145

When is it OK to kill a child? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #50

What if the child is trying to kill you? customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #154

If I outweigh someone by 185:158 Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #174

You asked a general question customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #242

Some here do not understand the concept of "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt." (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #70

Yeah, I wouldn't want them on the jury if I were on trial. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #132

I would not you on one either. You comfortably ignore the obvious. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #193

your use of the term "lynch mob" is very telling Skittles Jul 2013 #130

I have no problem with people who want to discuss the details of the case Just Saying Jul 2013 #17

Recommended. Certain facts cannot be disputed... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #19

if Trayvon had punched Zimmerman's bloody nose there would have been blood on Trayvon's hands ZRT2209 Jul 2013 #29

But ..... polly7 Jul 2013 #36

no no MFM008 Jul 2013 #56

I know, just being a smart-ass. polly7 Jul 2013 #66

Especially considering his hands were found underneath his body Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #63

A most salient point. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #61

That's just ridiculous. Vattel Jul 2013 #258

Thank you. Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #44

You rock!! Thank you!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #71

I hate the ones in real life, outside of the internet sakabatou Jul 2013 #31

there's a young man at work who is an apologist, CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #38

It's interesting, isn't it? All the gun nuts want EVERYONE armed...everyone except... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #101

I know - my jaw dropped CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #117

I think he just posted a pic of that gun. He wasn't holding it if I recall. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #144

I've not only never seen a photo like that, didn't know it existed... CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #153

I'm pretty sure it was just a picture of a gun that Trayvon either tweeted or posted on FB... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #162

I don't think it's his age. There are wingnuts in all age groups including senior citizens. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #235

I know, that's why it so surprised me CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #244

I enjoy that fact people translate having an opinion into you're part of a lynch mob Johonny Jul 2013 #39

Agreed. Nevernose Jul 2013 #67

Yes, a thousand times yes. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #142

Agreed x1000 TommyCelt Jul 2013 #227

I totally agree, that thinking makes absolutely sick and repulsed. nt Raine Jul 2013 #43

Reasoned debate != Zimmerman apologist Chico Man Jul 2013 #45

+1 Shrek Jul 2013 #48

Everyone is entitled to the Presumption of Innocence, bvar22 Jul 2013 #52

The law disagrees with you naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #69

Then you better pray that I'm not on your jury... bvar22 Jul 2013 #175

What do you think ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #80

Word. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #53

LOL, but the people who know Zimmerman is a "racist" who "chased down" and "executed" Martin Azathoth Jul 2013 #54

Yeah - the double standard is almost laughable. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #65

The irony/hypocrisy level is definitely off the charts Azathoth Jul 2013 #79

I've seen the troll thing a lot. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #84

BS. He didn't need to be a racist to be asshole, he didn't need to chase him down, but what WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #199

Damn skippy JanMichael Jul 2013 #55

Crazy thread is crazy!! Nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #60

was that your dissertation for your PhD? CatWoman Jul 2013 #87

My studies never covered this level of crazy. Just run of the mill galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #123

Agreed kalisto2010 Jul 2013 #64

you and me both TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #72

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #74

I feel the same way, crim son Jul 2013 #76

personally Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #81

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Nope. countingbluecars Jul 2013 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #94

No, a good person would not justify the murder of an unarmed child. Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #92

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I knew this thread wouldn't disappoint. n/t flvegan Jul 2013 #97

My harsh thoughts and opinion is: > BlueJazz Jul 2013 #98

So why no verdict? Chico Man Jul 2013 #108

This isn't long BainsBane Jul 2013 #111

Trayvon's family will surely bring a civil law suit. another_liberal Jul 2013 #114

I hope they win and stick Z for so much $$$ that he will have to grub away for the rest of his life CTyankee Jul 2013 #215

Yes. another_liberal Jul 2013 #221

If Zimmy loses a civil suit there will be plenty of wingnuts and gun nuts totodeinhere Jul 2013 #236

I believe they're just trying to decide which punishment to handout. BlueJazz Jul 2013 #118

Oh.. Chico Man Jul 2013 #127

I don't know the man but I do feel he made some bad choices that he'll have to pay for... BlueJazz Jul 2013 #136

I wouldn't got so far Caretha Jul 2013 #167

If you had Caretha Jul 2013 #165

Racists and gun freaks . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #112

So what is the jury debating? Chico Man Jul 2013 #131

"Bandwagon emotionalists?" another_liberal Jul 2013 #195

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Yes, just because somebody had a lobotomy that does not necessarily make them a bad person Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #119

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Not necessarilly, they could be debating between murder 2 and manslaughter Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #158

Same here, friend! miked62916 Jul 2013 #115

He could have just stayed in his truck TNNurse Jul 2013 #120

Gungeoneers will go to billh58 Jul 2013 #121

Agreed. mimi85 Jul 2013 #122

Hell is coming Caretha Jul 2013 #176

Well...this is quite a thread you've posted, Miss Kitty jaysunb Jul 2013 #125

kick and I agree. demgrrrll Jul 2013 #128

I HEAR YOU CATGAL Skittles Jul 2013 #129

I'm right there with you, CatWoman! City Lights Jul 2013 #133

The only reason I can think that they defend him is... ReRe Jul 2013 #134

Am I a "Zimmerman apologist"? I think that Zimmerman is a disgusting person, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #137

No, because you are consistent. You've always leaned Right. Ikonoklast Jul 2013 #184

I'm not sure that this is really a political issue. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #185

Are you fucking kidding me? MadBadger Jul 2013 #231

100% in agreement. David Zephyr Jul 2013 #140

Ditto. enki23 Jul 2013 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #149

Guess it does. nt countingbluecars Jul 2013 #155

Yes, I am glad to see you admit it. Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #159

For someone to take Zimmerman's side, to them Martin has to be a thug Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #163

Not Guilty malokvale77 Jul 2013 #168

Fucking eh, CatWoman. (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #170

Disgusting, and this sick verdict makes me nauseous. protect our future Jul 2013 #171

I'd like to know where the eff has MIRT been Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #172

I think MIRT has been doing an excellent job, as always (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #180

The prosecution got owned budkin Jul 2013 #178

What a fuckingly ignorant thing to say. great white snark Jul 2013 #207

Look I'm not happy but the prosecution was awful budkin Jul 2013 #265

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That's some funny shit you got going there. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #187

I couldn't agree with you more!! Those people, and the jury make me sick. This shows Pisces Jul 2013 #182

I'm sick to my stomach. NealK Jul 2013 #186

Yes, consciously or unconsciously, they assume that Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #189

Me as well, I am basically not posting because I am raging too hard. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #192

I knew this verdict was coming in. enigmatic Jul 2013 #194

+1. "Zimmerman apologists completely and absolutely disgust me.." blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #196

Zimmerman apologists completely and absolutely disgust me etherealtruth Jul 2013 #197

Now lets turn that disgust into action. We need to lobby the Justice Department totodeinhere Jul 2013 #238

This makes me sick. SoapBox Jul 2013 #198

A man should not be convicted of 2nd degree murder because he exhibited signs of racism wisteria Jul 2013 #200

i think he murdered him because he's racist, yeah. he stalked him for no reason, he called him HiPointDem Jul 2013 #203

You think? You think he murdered him because he was racist? wisteria Jul 2013 #230

"not handled correctly on both sides" = oh, so there's a 'correct' way to handle a fucking stalker? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #247

No, he should be convicted of 2nd degree murder (or higher frankly) TBF Jul 2013 #218

I Agree DallasNE Jul 2013 #225

He went after him, but can you really prove it was to kill him? wisteria Jul 2013 #229

That is why he wasn't convicted for sure - TBF Jul 2013 #263

You think it's bad here? Sparky 1 Jul 2013 #201

I wish the mods would just ban them all tonight. I can't stand to read the trolls with their fake HiPointDem Jul 2013 #202

me too. barbtries Jul 2013 #204

Zimmerman has a target on his back RoccoR5955 Jul 2013 #216

I do not condone any sort of violence in response to this verdict and the Martin family totodeinhere Jul 2013 #239

This was not my opinion... RoccoR5955 Jul 2013 #246

I never said that I condone it. RoccoR5955 Jul 2013 #262

I think he will move his family to Ecuador. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #253

I just put a post up about how I think the guilty verdict happened. Please check it out. Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #217

K&R. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #219

I don't use ignore, but that may change. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #222

They Are Just Following The Lead Of Mark O'Mara And Don West DallasNE Jul 2013 #223

Justice was served, all right. malthaussen Jul 2013 #224

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #232

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #237

imagine the tune they'd be singing if it was their loved one Zimmerman stalked and murdered Skittles Jul 2013 #248

Yup - in fact all we have to do is imagine Trayvon is white. TBF Jul 2013 #264

There Is No Place In The U.S.Where A Black Teen Can Be Safe Radicalman Jul 2013 #250

ah, the ever-popular message of hate hfojvt Jul 2013 #257

Zimmerman isn't the only guilty one... fadedrose Jul 2013 #260

Hear, hear. smirkymonkey Jul 2013 #267

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #269