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Response to LuckyTheDog (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:02 PM

44. It seems to me that you're essentially arguing

that if the case had been different, than SYG would have made the case different - but under those circumstances the case is already different anyway, because you're positing a different case than was actually made.

Furthermore, had the prosecution proved that it was Zimmerman who initially used force, and that force was unjustified, then current law falls back to his having to disengage, with a duty to retreat applying, before he could have claimed self defense. We could speculate all day long about what things would be like if the prosecution had made a different case, it doesn't show anything about whether or not the case actually made was SYG or not, all it says is 'if the case were different it would be different'. Well, of course it would.

So let's not what if -> Given the case the prosecution actually made, whether or not there is a duty to retreat doesn't matter because under the old law and the new law, his claim is such that he would have been unable to retreat anyway. So the duty to retreat provisions of the law did not apply to the case actually made.

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