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In the discussion thread: Don't buy the spin. SYG had everything to do with Zimmerman's acquittal [View all]

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:08 PM

45. Elaborate

What arguments did the defense make that should have been challenged?

Self defense applies when a reasonable person has fear of death or grave bodily harm. The jury must agree that the fear of death or grave bodily harm is reasonable. The prosecution FAILED to prove that Zimmerman was not in fear of death or grave bodily harm.

In part 776.041 in the below link it goes over when use of force is allowed as an aggressor:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

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56 replies	Author	Time	Post
Don't buy the spin. SYG had everything to do with Zimmerman's acquittal [View all]	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	OP
Well a juror said it did make a difference! It's the same propaganda controlling the Snowdon story	SugarShack	Jul 2013	#1
That was the entire point of my thread. SYG instructions OBLITERATE manslaughter laws.	blm	Jul 2013	#2
Yep. You got it. (nt)	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#3
Comparision	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#4
What about the victim?	Historic NY	Jul 2013	#6
Not in Florida (nt)	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#8
As we have seen the law gives rise to vigilante style	Historic NY	Jul 2013	#9
Yes...But not according to the jury	Tippy	Jul 2013	#12
Your point?	Igel	Jul 2013	#15
MY point is from a LE prospective ...	Historic NY	Jul 2013	#49
Absolutely true if Zimmerman initiated the physical violence...	Pelican	Jul 2013	#53
The jury was wrong!	hrmjustin	Jul 2013	#55
I'm surprised to learn that Florida has 6 person juries for felony cases.	tanyev	Jul 2013	#5
A NY felony trial jury 12 members and up to 6 alternates...	Historic NY	Jul 2013	#7
Connecticut I think does it too....along with sometimes Texas	davidn3600	Jul 2013	#34
I've never heard of it in Texas.	tanyev	Jul 2013	#52
It's not spin. You're not understanding the law.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#10
Except the jury hung their hats on the SYG instructions. Instructions that TRUMP the	blm	Jul 2013	#13
Please explain what you mean by that.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#14
The jurors were given instructions on Stand your ground	blm	Jul 2013	#47
The defense didn't have to invoke SYG. It still applied.	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#17
You still have to argue it. Explain how / when that happened.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#18
You are just wrong	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#21
No, dude, YOU are just wrong. Explain how SYG applied.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#24
There was no SYG hearing	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#27
Your OP is that SYG had "everything to do with the acquittal." FALSE.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#30
If not for the re-definition of self defense thanks to SYG, Zimmerman probably would be in prison	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#33
No. Any evidence countering Martin pinning Zimm would be huge.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#46
Query re actual versus perceived danger.	Jim Lane	Jul 2013	#50
Actually, yes. There's a special hearing to determine if the defendant's actions are covered by SYG.	X_Digger	Jul 2013	#36
You are saying that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman?	cthulu2016	Jul 2013	#11
Not saying that at all	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#16
I read the law before it was fashionable. I am a law-reader by nature.	cthulu2016	Jul 2013	#19
Sigh. Read the jury instructions.	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#22
The Zimmerman apologists will not back down on this	MattBaggins	Jul 2013	#54
Maybe you should cite the language you're talking about.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#20
You're not going to make any headway, I fear.	COLGATE4	Jul 2013	#23
Jesus Christ, I swore I was done with this topic, but the ignorance burns.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#25
I hear you loud and clear.	COLGATE4	Jul 2013	#26
So, the instructions from the judge...	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#28
Regarding "duty to flee?" No. How do you think otherwise?	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#40
Maybe this will help clear up confusion	ctaylors6	Jul 2013	#29
So, basically...	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#31
I think you've got it	ctaylors6	Jul 2013	#39
No, it did not redefine anything.	X_Digger	Jul 2013	#42
I doubt Martin was on top of him the entire time, if ever	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#51
Without SYG, it would have been the exact same case.	X_Digger	Jul 2013	#56
Nicely put. But SYG deals only with the duty to flee, which did not arise.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#32
It changed the case	LuckyTheDog	Jul 2013	#35
Arguments like what?	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#43
It seems to me that you're essentially arguing	anomiep	Jul 2013	#44
Elaborate	Lurks Often	Jul 2013	#45
I am totally confused about this SYG issue	LittleBlue	Jul 2013	#37
Not many folks around DU understand SYG. I'd suggest statute research,	Decoy of Fenris	Jul 2013	#38
There is an immunity element of SYG for both civil and criminal	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#41
For all Zimmy knew, those skittles were packed with explosives.	BootinUp	Jul 2013	#48

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