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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:41 AM Jul 2013

HFCS and YOU [View all]

A 'fake' sweetener because it's cheap. Some say (without qualification) it's no different than sugar (cane, beet, etc.) and doesn't react in the body any differently than sugar, Sugar is sugar even when it's "corn sugar" . By the way, sugar is sweet and needs no further processing, (ever chew on a sugar cane?) raw or white. HFCS isn't aweet without further processing (ever chew on a corn stalk?)

Many scientific studies, to the consternation of it's defenders everywhere, show it has harmful effects, and if it DIDN'T have any unwanted effects (unlike sugar) why are so many food manufacturers eliminating HFCS from their foods?


The Lawsuit Against the Corn Refiners’ False Advertising
The Sugar Association has expanded its website to provide the public with information about several related, ongoing efforts to obtain rulings that impact public policy as it relates to high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), to broaden public awareness and encourage public participation.

HFCS is a food ingredient that has become widely used as a replacement for natural sugar during the past 40 years—the very period during which obesity, diabetes, and other metabolic diseases have been on the rise.

Whether there is a cause-and-effect relationship is a matter to be settled by science, not by market power, and The Sugar Association leaves it up to informed individuals to decide for themselves which they would rather consume, based on the available facts.


Several years ago, Archer-Daniels-Midland (ADM), Cargill and other manufacturers of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) acknowledged that “HFCS and sugar differ in many significant respects and cannot be considered ‘like products.’”

A few years after a 2004 publication in which leading researchers suggested that HFCS may be linked to obesity, these same HFCS manufacturers, through their trade group, the Corn Refiners Association (CRA), launched a multi-million dollar advertising campaign claiming that HFCS is "nutritionally the same as table sugar" and that "your body can’t tell the difference."

The lawsuit led by Western Sugar Cooperative—explained in detail elsewhere on this website—charges ADM, Cargill, other CRA members and the CRA itself with false advertising by making these assertions of nutritional and metabolic equivalence.

The reason for the lawsuit is simple: There is an ongoing controversy among scientists about these subjects, which the advertising fails to mention. Some scientists—with no connection to anyone within the sugar industry—have published studies that demonstrate clear differences in how the human body processes sugar and HFCS. Even those researchers who have received funding from the CRA and dispute the existence of meaningful differences between HFCS and sugar have also readily admitted that their effects on the body remain the subject of debate and further analysis.


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I do not believe it is the same and try to avoid it
36 (82%)
I don't care
3 (7%)
Sugar is sugar no matter where it comes from
4 (9%)
I have something further to add, pro or con
1 (2%)
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HFCS and YOU [View all] DainBramaged Jul 2013 OP
I'm lucky Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #1
I thought C6H12O6 was C6H12O6 dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #2
The sugar association thinks otherwise...... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #3
The link claims no such thing Major Nikon Jul 2013 #129
Except table sugar (from sugar cane and beet) is C12H22O11 Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #4
Sucrases secreted by the lining of the small intestine convert sucrose to glucose + fructose FarCenter Jul 2013 #25
and cooks and bakers know that replacing cane sugar with beet hedgehog Jul 2013 #45
I never found a difference between one form of crystallized sucrose Warpy Jul 2013 #136
I think it's a result of crystal size - beet sugar tends to be much finer - hedgehog Jul 2013 #154
blood glucose levels spike more dramatically BainsBane Jul 2013 #55
The reverse is true Major Nikon Jul 2013 #127
That's not what my doctor told me BainsBane Jul 2013 #131
The sugar in OJ contains almost exclusively fructose Major Nikon Jul 2013 #132
I take a general view that if it is closer to a natural state BainsBane Jul 2013 #134
Shit is perfectly natural and often organic Major Nikon Jul 2013 #137
No, fruit over sugar BainsBane Jul 2013 #138
But sugar dates back to 500 BC BainsBane Jul 2013 #139
Shit goes back even farther Major Nikon Jul 2013 #140
You're fixated on shit BainsBane Jul 2013 #142
Some of the best foods on earth derive much of their flavor from shit Major Nikon Jul 2013 #144
What? BainsBane Jul 2013 #145
How do you think fermentation works? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #146
It's not shit BainsBane Jul 2013 #147
HFCS, hydrogenated, and chervilant Jul 2013 #5
HFCS is a man-made product that did not even exist until the '60s DainBramaged Jul 2013 #6
so is penicillin. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #9
Do you eat penicillin? chervilant Jul 2013 #11
hfcs is 'man-made' in the same sense lemon meringue is. it's a food whose properties have been HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36
If you eat meat its likely you are eating all sorts of antibiotics. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #92
Well, yes you do if you eat bleu or Brie cheeses REP Jul 2013 #94
Vegan here chervilant Jul 2013 #105
I don't eat HFCS and think its crap. REP Jul 2013 #106
Have you read any of Diana Gabaldon's works? chervilant Jul 2013 #110
I'm not much of a romance fancier REP Jul 2013 #115
OIC chervilant Jul 2013 #153
penicillin DainBramaged Jul 2013 #15
recognizing the properties of the mold is not the same thing as creating the pharmaceutical. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #35
Do you think they manufacture it from pixie dust or live culture? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #37
you can also make it in your home kitchen. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #39
I the end, what is your point over this discussion? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #41
my point is that i am a participant at DU & can express myself on any topic, just as you can. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #51
The antibiotic drug penicillin is *indeed* a man-made substance in exactly the same sense that HiPointDem Jul 2013 #38
Pretty much, they do. REP Jul 2013 #97
pretty much not. it goes through about as many chemical steps as the production of hfcs HiPointDem Jul 2013 #126
Only to those who think science is scary Major Nikon Jul 2013 #119
bullshit. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #7
Really? chervilant Jul 2013 #10
"HFCS, hydrogenated, and partially hydrogenated oils (HOs) have no nutritional value" = HiPointDem Jul 2013 #40
They have caloric value. But as far as vitamins and minerals go, zilch. reformist2 Jul 2013 #100
Neither do most vegetable & seed oils. So? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #124
Speaking of bullshit... chervilant Jul 2013 #107
Perhaps the problem is that you don't understand what "nutritional value" means. Anything with HiPointDem Jul 2013 #122
Such a profound response... chervilant Jul 2013 #162
words have meanings, much as you would prefer to live in your little solipsistic world. they HiPointDem Jul 2013 #168
Why is such hyperbole necessary? Can't you just say you think there... Silent3 Jul 2013 #78
Hyperbole? chervilant Jul 2013 #108
Now you compound hyperbole with poor reading skills Silent3 Jul 2013 #109
Oh, dear; oh, dear! chervilant Jul 2013 #111
What you said is patently not true, therefore it is at best hyperbole. Silent3 Jul 2013 #113
From what cavernous, dark hole did you crawl chervilant Jul 2013 #164
"For you"? I have to account for what, that you're a different species than I realized? Silent3 Jul 2013 #170
"my body has to call upon its reserves of vitamins and minerals simply to PROCESS these 'foods'" HiPointDem Jul 2013 #171
I have more issues than HFCS. Agschmid Jul 2013 #8
Come out come out HFCs shills hankthecrank Jul 2013 #12
My body proves to me that it is not the same every time some slips by, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #13
Looks like adm not getting a good return on money to shills hankthecrank Jul 2013 #14
HFCS is made from corn kernels, which are indeed sweet mathematic Jul 2013 #16
White gold (Google is your friend, sugar is Centuries old) DainBramaged Jul 2013 #17
I am well aware that people have been eating sugar for a long time. mathematic Jul 2013 #18
most beets in USA are GMO lunasun Jul 2013 #27
what is your point, & why did you feel the need to put it in all in bold? do you really think HiPointDem Jul 2013 #42
Do you have a stake in defending HFCS or the industry? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #44
I have a stake in countering bullshit. No, I don't work in the food industry if that's what you're HiPointDem Jul 2013 #46
Then you have no leg to stand on when you call bullshit DainBramaged Jul 2013 #48
i've been posting evidence to the contrary, & higher level degree in nutrition says i have more HiPointDem Jul 2013 #52
& higher level degree in nutrition DainBramaged Jul 2013 #57
I didn't say it to impress you. Any sugar can also cause 'behavioral reactions similar to those HiPointDem Jul 2013 #59
(Someone's not getting their money's worth...) chervilant Jul 2013 #112
I doubt that the anonymous website "Prevent Disease" is a paying gig. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #120
Oh, my... chervilant Jul 2013 #163
"arrogant, presumptuous drivel" = indeed. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #167
Besides, most US sugar comes from sugar beets DainBramaged Jul 2013 #19
"Most" currently means "greater than half". mathematic Jul 2013 #20
Try as you might, I'm not taking the bait DainBramaged Jul 2013 #21
i'm proud of you! displacedtexan Jul 2013 #53
i'm pushing 60 & take no medications whatsoever. i have a normal weight and an advanced HiPointDem Jul 2013 #56
(sigh) better medications, it's that simple DainBramaged Jul 2013 #58
bullshit, on two counts: 1) i made no claim that hfcs reduced heart disease. 2) if you were HiPointDem Jul 2013 #64
Always remember, the HFCS be with you. His claim HFCS has contributed to lower heart disease DainBramaged Jul 2013 #61
your claim that i made that claim is one of the greatest examples of prevarication ever seen at HiPointDem Jul 2013 #68
K&r n/t hankthecrank Jul 2013 #22
Kick hankthecrank Jul 2013 #23
U.S. Losing Taste for Corn Sweetener as Dieters Shun Soda DainBramaged Jul 2013 #24
Feeding bees corn syrup may leave them vulnerable to colony collapse DainBramaged Jul 2013 #26
It is the lack of other nutrients that is the problem; honey contains mostly fructose and glucose. FarCenter Jul 2013 #28
Sorry there's a big difference between the two. Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #29
Karo is *not* high fructose corn syrup. It's ordinary corn syrup. High fructose corn syrup is HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49
Forgive me your right I will edit that out Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #54
no problem, i don't like karo either HiPointDem Jul 2013 #74
We switched to Agave nectar ...you would be surprised at how good this stuff is. L0oniX Jul 2013 #30
I have it at home too besides Stevia, and t's become very reasonable DainBramaged Jul 2013 #31
We even take Agave to resturants ...tried Stevia but it has an after taste. L0oniX Jul 2013 #33
what kind of chemical processes do you think are used to turn leaves into sweet powder? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #50
stevia has a lower glycemic load. Don't care about processing, myself. Not a paleo. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #60
It has a lower glycemic load like saccharin does -- because it has no caloric value. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #66
agave nectar = mostly fructose. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #67
Lowest glycemic value. Well they don't seem to run out of 10 yo wine and I doubt they will run out.. L0oniX Jul 2013 #71
it has lower glycemic value because of the percentage of inulin (mostly non-nutritive, i.e. can't HiPointDem Jul 2013 #73
Well I will keep using Agave ...and you are welcome to promote and use HFCS. L0oniX Jul 2013 #77
i don't 'promote' hfcs. i counter bullshit. you keep using your high-fructose sweetner. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #81
You counter bullshit? Well it's good to have goals and dreams. L0oniX Jul 2013 #86
bs like 'here, use this high-fructose sweetner so you can avoid that other high-fructose sweetner HiPointDem Jul 2013 #87
Come to think of it, two suppossed food scientists in two days giving us positive responses to HFCS? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #88
please link to where someone claimed to be a food scientist. why don't you respond to the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #89
New corporate shills being discovered everyday. Amazing ain't it. L0oniX Jul 2013 #90
lol. you don't know much about agave. small producers are being pushed out & they use lots HiPointDem Jul 2013 #91
It's been fun playing with them today, but they insult the DU as a whole when their rhetoric DainBramaged Jul 2013 #93
people may feel better not eating hfcs; that's great, more power to them. i personally feel HiPointDem Jul 2013 #157
Agave nectar is a highly processed sweetener MineralMan Jul 2013 #79
Hello DainBramaged Jul 2013 #95
Your endocrinologist... MineralMan Jul 2013 #104
But shanti Jul 2013 #166
For the most part I gave it up tabbycat31 Jul 2013 #32
New study out of Princeton Greybnk48 Jul 2013 #34
Might want to have a look at this for the rest of the story... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #121
HFCS + Palm Oil = the cheapest stuff on earth used to make us buy unhealthy foods displacedtexan Jul 2013 #43
I avoid HFCS like the plague. ananda Jul 2013 #47
HFCS may be bad, but your two opening paragraphs aren't so hot either. Silent3 Jul 2013 #62
I guess the opening statement is as far as you read... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #65
You obviously have no idea sugar is processed Major Nikon Jul 2013 #116
"Corporations are just as happy to market to our pseudoscientific fears" = yes. Cargill & Coca-Cola HiPointDem Jul 2013 #70
I avoid it more because of the taste than the potential harmful effects bigwillq Jul 2013 #63
HFCS tastes like the kind of shit you would use to add to a petri dish in biochem Taverner Jul 2013 #69
It is amazing what levels some will stoop to to defend a product that scientific evidence DainBramaged Jul 2013 #72
it is amazing what levels some will stoop to to defend their little hobbyhorses. scientific evidence HiPointDem Jul 2013 #75
The science does seem to be supporting the HFCS diabetes connection Taverner Jul 2013 #76
Many mny new drugs cause weight gain in Seniors (like myself) DainBramaged Jul 2013 #83
Portion size is a big factor too Taverner Jul 2013 #84
I was told in my youth I had a big portion size DainBramaged Jul 2013 #96
How does this happen? Do you end up feeling hungrier all the time? reformist2 Jul 2013 #101
No, metabolism slows down and doesn't process calories like I used to DainBramaged Jul 2013 #102
You still don't get it do you? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #117
You really need to stop, your stalking is getting obvious now DainBramaged Jul 2013 #149
"You obviously have a fixation that goes beyond simple discussions when disagreed with. " Major Nikon Jul 2013 #151
Where's the response for "I'd like to see more panic about the subject?" Orrex Jul 2013 #80
LOLOLOL DainBramaged Jul 2013 #82
+1 ^^^this^^^ LMFAO L0oniX Jul 2013 #165
sugar is sugar Kali Jul 2013 #85
Exactly Major Nikon Jul 2013 #118
I avoid it entirely, it tastes crappy and ruins the texture of baked goods. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #98
I'm not paranoid about it, but there are big differences in how different sugars are metabolized. reformist2 Jul 2013 #99
The same is true for sucrose Major Nikon Jul 2013 #123
never touch the stuff handmade34 Jul 2013 #103
I try to avoid sugars of all kind, Dorian Gray Jul 2013 #114
NYC's Bloomberg is an ass that wants to live forever that thinks making everyone else follow his gvstn Jul 2013 #125
trans fats are found in nature. so is fructose. your body knows how to process them. that HiPointDem Jul 2013 #128
Where are trans fats found in nature? gvstn Jul 2013 #155
meat & milk. fructose is widely in nature. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #156
HFCS probably isn't good for the body, however I am not a perfect being. I have flaws. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #130
Everything in moderation (including moderation) Major Nikon Jul 2013 #133
I avoid it these days Warpy Jul 2013 #135
"Earl Butz" Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #141
A few odd points I haven't heard often in this thread: defacto7 Jul 2013 #143
More calories + lower activity levels = more obesity Major Nikon Jul 2013 #148
140 to few. I guess the job of the HFCS defenders didn't go well DainBramaged Jul 2013 #150
"It's the purity crowd telling US what we should eat and what is garbage" Major Nikon Jul 2013 #152
omg. shilling for big food! HiPointDem Jul 2013 #158
This message was self-deleted by its author Major Nikon Jul 2013 #159
Perhaps Major Nikon Jul 2013 #160
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #161
The problem with HFCS isn't so much the actual chemical...it's the fact that it's in bloody Evoman Jul 2013 #169
I'd agree with you there. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #172
Sugar is very similar to addictive substances Major Nikon Jul 2013 #173
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