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72. K&R.

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Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:10 PM

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Why people don't give a shit about Fukishima. [View all] Safetykitten Jul 2013 OP

The denial surrounding this event is profound. nebenaube Jul 2013 #1

Yeah -- as in my post below, it's worrisome that we don't see a dissection of the Nay Jul 2013 #4

no solution or no affordable solution? austerity etc. elehhhhna Jul 2013 #78

Well, there's 'affordable' and then there's 'can't afford not to do it, no matter what the Nay Jul 2013 #81

It will poison the planet Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #2

fukushima kardonb Jul 2013 #85

I think that's unnecessarily harsh and also inaccurate. lark Jul 2013 #87

The nuke power field is awash in money. truedelphi Jul 2013 #206

The problem was created sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #223

IMO Non-Engineer, non-technical mangement and stockholders created it. One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #247

I like the quote from Rickover. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #249

+1 It was also insulting and childish and not conducive to the positive discussion cui bono Jul 2013 #226

You mean like the sunshine of your post? cui bono Jul 2013 #227

And what might be the solution to Fukushima? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #231

What's your solution Theyletmeeatcake2 Jul 2013 #245

Indeed. MynameisBlarney Jul 2013 #88

What disturbs me is that there is no world-wide mobilization of countries to help Nay Jul 2013 #3

I've tried to make up for lack of news coverage, using DU as a news medium... Octafish Jul 2013 #8

Thanks for all the effort and links think Jul 2013 #10

Agree! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #12

As a person who lives 15 miles downwind from a nuke plant Cleita Jul 2013 #15

excellent G_j Jul 2013 #16

Wow, you sure have. zeemike Jul 2013 #26

Wow. Thanks. I'm bookmarking these. ancianita Jul 2013 #31

k and r Berlum Jul 2013 #33

Fukushima SamKnause Jul 2013 #37

Thank you Octafish, you are another reason why I keep coming here. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #63

+1000 blackspade Jul 2013 #76

Bookmarked post and labeled as Octafish' Fukushima Resource List. cui bono Jul 2013 #228

This has bothered me since day one. They_Live Jul 2013 #32

Short of "creatively" nuking the site to burn up the radioactive fuel into Demeter Jul 2013 #53

And this is a huge problem with not only nuclear blackspade Jul 2013 #80

Yes I agree totally Theyletmeeatcake2 Jul 2013 #246

When nuclear goes bad madokie Jul 2013 #211

There's currently a push to get new nuclear plants going starroute Jul 2013 #55

First Japan has to tell the truth. Don't hold your proverbial breath for that. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #69

That would help, for sure. But if a dozen first-world countries pushed it, we could get Nay Jul 2013 #198

I believe your fears are both 100% justified. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #244

When the facility in Ukraine went up it was a huge deal in Europe and they are still dealing with byeya Jul 2013 #5

If all the nations pitched in to help, that would be admitting that nuclear power is dangerous. djean111 Jul 2013 #6

And it is invisible. earthside Jul 2013 #7

Some have even suggested KT2000 Jul 2013 #50

This. ^^^ CrispyQ Jul 2013 #68

you get 300 mrem from the sun every year, so I'm pretty sure that there is a safe amount. Sirveri Jul 2013 #229

There is absolutely a safe amount of radiation. Your body emits radiation. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #237

k&R think Jul 2013 #9

K&R Cleita Jul 2013 #11

Because it's in far away land and the people look different. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #13

Not everything has to do with racism. Majority of people are uninformed, many snagglepuss Jul 2013 #51

I don't think about it much because it's just so awful. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #14

There are a number of American servicemen who do give a shit, having been contaminated at Fukushima enough Jul 2013 #17

And some of us were (still are) personally attacked nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

That's just crazy - and very revealing. Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #19

Are you paid by the industry? (This is a classic industry attack) nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #21

"We have had fires caused by wind turbines." Really? Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #24

That poster has me on ignore... Agschmid Jul 2013 #27

wind turbines cause all kinds of evils treestar Jul 2013 #82

I googled... Because the poster will not respond. Agschmid Jul 2013 #28

Yes really. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #30

The Kahuku turbine fire didn't cause a wildfire.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #41

So YOU spread FUD, can't backup your lies, then accuse me, of all people... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #43

I gave you facts nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #46

removing shit is your tactic... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #200

rofl so your the poster referenced in the ask the admin thread loli phabay Jul 2013 #134

That's a rather spooky picture Orrex Jul 2013 #39

The Siemens tower in question nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #44

Oh my God!!! That fire is so much worse than radioactive contamination of the Pacific Ocean!!! Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #67

Why can't you see the similarity in the events? Why???? DevonRex Jul 2013 #186

And since you accuse ME of being an industry troll.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #47

Fascinating. MineralMan Jul 2013 #169

+1 Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #22

OMG!! To say a "similar event" can happen with a windmill is just bizarre. DevonRex Jul 2013 #171

but typical... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #199

Boggles the mind, but there it is. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #205

nadinstrodamus strikes again! dionysus Jul 2013 #202

Ooh, yummy!! . DevonRex Jul 2013 #203

After all ThoughtCriminal Jul 2013 #214

For hilarity... DevonRex Jul 2013 #218

.... dionysus Jul 2013 #201

The more dire the problem, the stronger the denial. Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #20

By "people " who do you mean? Skidmore Jul 2013 #23

And why aren't Cleanup Courses Of Action a mandatory budget item for ALL energy technologies. ancianita Jul 2013 #34

Didnt you hear? The Royal baby has arrived. And its a BOY! ErikJ Jul 2013 #25

It's worldwide denial. animato Jul 2013 #29

Because, sadly, there's far worse to worry about... hunter Jul 2013 #35

great post nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #66

The ocean is already poisoned, this just adds to it... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #36

Nuclear power advocates: Loubee Jul 2013 #40

And add global warming to this and the human race is in for a hell of a century . Kablooie Jul 2013 #42

Seattle..... Marje Jul 2013 #45

I think you're right Marje and add to your thought that snappyturtle Jul 2013 #54

there is radiation coming from Japan babydollhead Jul 2013 #48

We withdrew into a fantasy years ago. This is a big, unsolvable problem and it's easier Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #59

Absolutely! nt matthews Jul 2013 #49

Thank you so much! nt matthews Jul 2013 #77

Anytime. Welcome to DU! nt proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #79

get a towel. don't panic. pansypoo53219 Jul 2013 #52

My only hope is that the radioactive particles will settle out and wind up in ocean sediments under kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #56

Not very long Tien1985 Jul 2013 #57

They don't care yet brush Jul 2013 #58

Not quite... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #60

Whoop! There it is!! RobertEarl Jul 2013 #108

Amazing...truly amazing spectacle of republican-like messaging. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #119

oh bullshit... n/t nebenaube Jul 2013 #156

Yes, there it is - there is the same bullshit we hear closeupready Jul 2013 #204

cooling water is the problem Phil1934 Jul 2013 #61

this is horrifying!!!!! hopemountain Jul 2013 #239

I have read through all of the responses to this thread (to this point)... Moostache Jul 2013 #62

Well said. I keep waiting for the problems to become SO obvious that psychopathic greedheads.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #73

Not only the contamination Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #64

The Fuki deniers can go up there and clean it up. They like the radiation. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #115

Bottom line WovenGems Jul 2013 #65

Use less energy. Conium Jul 2013 #70

K&R. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #72

I think people give a shit but there's not much we can do about it NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #74

Unfortuantely, nuclear power was never safe. blackspade Jul 2013 #75

I greatly admire Gregory Jaczko whose handling of the Fukushima crisis may have cost him his job. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #83

Interesting...thanks! KoKo Jul 2013 #90

I care LittleGirl Jul 2013 #84

We have dragnets that trawl the ocean for fish...yet we can't clean up KoKo Jul 2013 #93

I totally agree LittleGirl Jul 2013 #95

Troll the ocean ... ? oldhippie Jul 2013 #187

I corrected...sorry about that...and thanks for "Heads Up" KoKo Jul 2013 #213

"Turn War to Peace & Clean Up the Planet hopemountain Jul 2013 #240

"within years the entire Pacific will be contaminated" AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #86

Bioaccumulation Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #89

And what of the entire REACTORS that have gone in, under operation? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #91

There has never been an event to compare with Fukushima Dai-Ichi... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #92

Maybe, maybe not. For 12 years nations routinely dumped radioactive material into the ocean. byeya Jul 2013 #96

Oh please, reactor 4 wasn't even operating when it happened. 1-3 are much worse. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #97

The spent fuel pool of Reactor 4 is what people are worried about... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #107

It's a lot of material. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #120

So...how long till they get a grip on it? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #122

Unsure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #124

Unsure? You are confident this can be handled. Unsure is not an answer. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #126

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #132

"It's not for me to promise timetables for them."... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #136

Not my problem. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #137

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8420 questionseverything Jul 2013 #131

No. jeff47 Jul 2013 #99

"Contaminating a fish doesn't produce "new" radioactive material." Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #100

No, that's you continuing to not understand. jeff47 Jul 2013 #102

Poisoning, say, a large proportion of Bluefin Tuna, is "poisoning the entire Pacific" in my book... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #103

There isn't enough radioactive material to do that. jeff47 Jul 2013 #104

“Absolutely Every One” Bluefin Tuna Tested In California Waters Contaminated with Fukushima.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #105

Still doesn't overcome the scale problem. jeff47 Jul 2013 #195

So if it goes on for a couple of generations, still ok? I mean it's a big ocean. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #113

The comparison was made to the total amount of fuel on site. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #125

So how long will it "leak"? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #128

Until they plug everything, drain, and empty it? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #133

Yes. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #139

Stop that. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #142

Stop what? You are the person trivializing the situation. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #144

I'm not trivializing it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #147

I am deeply thinking about what you wrote. Wait...wait... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #153

I know, it's hard. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #155

Slowly improving. 2060 say? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #159

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #162

Well at least your an optimist. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #163

Going on for a couple generations actually reduces the problem. jeff47 Jul 2013 #196

Ok, that statement I would accept BUT AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #106

Frankly, on a scale of 1 to 10, "Poisoning the Pacific from Fukushima" is a 1 to 2 with me.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #191

How is that Mr. Math? There is a shutoff switch we do not know about at the plant? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #114

No, I'm saying if you sprinkle the entire contents over the ocean jeff47 Jul 2013 #193

Showing you the math would be akin to introducing Adam & Eve to calculus. nebenaube Jul 2013 #167

Now you are just being a math snob. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #168

And yet, you utterly failed to do so. jeff47 Jul 2013 #194

Our "alarm systems" evolved to deal with the tiger tblue37 Jul 2013 #94

I'm reminded of those who predicted that the Deepwater Horizon leak jeff47 Jul 2013 #98

We all know that the gulf is now cleaner and more pristine after the blowout. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #111

Is it literally full of oil? jeff47 Jul 2013 #192

Don't you register any shades of gray between absolute contamination and pristine purity? Silent3 Jul 2013 #216

Hate to be a stickler, but Japan is made up of more than 6,000 islands. Apophis Jul 2013 #101

So you would have no problem living there, say just to the north? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #110

Uh, nowhere in my post did I ever insinuate that. Apophis Jul 2013 #116

Well then why your little geography missive? Big place yes indeedy! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #117

Your reading comprehension isn't quite up to par, I see. Apophis Jul 2013 #118

Ok, explain. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #121

Many of us on DU have no comprehension of ...... oldhippie Jul 2013 #129

You are a pro at it, hippie RobertEarl Jul 2013 #146

Most old hippies I know are worse than young republicans. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #149

And some are just fake hippies RobertEarl Jul 2013 #157

Oh... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #161

But at least I know that Japan .... oldhippie Jul 2013 #183

There are at least AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #164

Well, look who finally showed up. oldhippie Jul 2013 #181

See, you are cluless RobertEarl Jul 2013 #184

I am crushed all right ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #188

Good for you, you have learned RobertEarl Jul 2013 #190

Maybe dolphins will develop opposable thumbs and finally reach the fire-axe age. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #197

Maybe the US PTB want the populace to die from contaminated food. valerief Jul 2013 #109

people don't give a shit? what? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #112

that "water" has been leaking over 2 years now questionseverything Jul 2013 #123

Um, that's a LITTLE bit different than current conditions. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #127

So what's curent? Tell us. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #130

Are you seriously unable to find the same public AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #135

But you are certain. So positive. Tell us why we should listen to you. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #138

You want credibility problems? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #141

Nice re-direct. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #143

Tepco provides regular updates. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #145

That's where I go for unadulterated truth. Tepco updates on their own disaster. Thanks for the tip! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #150

There are better sources. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #151

How this will play out... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #154

Fuck it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #158

No thanks, I have to clean the Cheetos off my shirt and then go breast feed my Bull Masttiff. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #160

Suit yourself. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #166

leaking in 2011,still leaking 2013 questionseverything Jul 2013 #170

How MUCH of that quantity of fuel is likely to leak? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #172

Oh dear, looks like your run was interrupted. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #174

Wrapping some bullshit up before I go. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #175

Say, would you want to sponsor me for the cookie sale at the Young Commies would you? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #176

No cookies. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #177

Suit yourself. I have "Chernobyl Glow Thin-Mints" and "Proletariat Peanut Clusters" Safetykitten Jul 2013 #178

I do so love thin mints.... AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #182

from the new article i posted questionseverything Jul 2013 #179

The corium is outside the RPV, inside the containment. Next question. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #180

not according to this sceintist questionseverything Jul 2013 #185

Thanks again for the invite. But after the Bull Mastiff, I have to go to the Young Commies Bakesale Safetykitten Jul 2013 #173

leaking/uncontained questionseverything Jul 2013 #152

And a radioactive jet stream! Bonus! peace13 Jul 2013 #140

On the West Coast and Alaska, within truedelphi Jul 2013 #207

Thanks for this! Nt peace13 Jul 2013 #243

The sad thing is that people who were young when the first Earth Day went down... peace13 Jul 2013 #148

Only when the last dollar is eaten will we realize that we cannot eat money. Zorra Jul 2013 #165

That skit is brilliant. Thanks! n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #208

"Because the outcome is too horrible to comprehend"? Trillo Jul 2013 #189

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #209

People here don't give a shit about our own land. Indyfan53 Jul 2013 #210

Just how much radioactive waste was released by these 2053 tests WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #212

Chernobyl and the Gulf Coast locks Jul 2013 #215

I suspect that no one knows exactly how to stop the poisoning emsimon33 Jul 2013 #217

plenty of people do give a shit hopemountain Jul 2013 #219

Well kids, it kinda breaks down like this... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #220

Nice summation. You can't see it, or smell it... JEB Jul 2013 #221

I have always been against nukes for basic reasons. Science. Security. Stupidity. freshwest Jul 2013 #222

Nuclear reactors are dooms day machines. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #224

You can easily turn off nuclear reactors. Positive void reactors can even shut off on their own. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #232

That's good to know. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #248

Can anyone try to back you down from extreme hyperbole... Silent3 Jul 2013 #225

At least you are admitting you were wrong. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #230

Nuclear energy is perfectly safe assuming it's not overseen by morons. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #233

I don't have more faith in humanity than that. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #236

Considering nuclear energy is safer per terawatt/hour than any other form of energy production... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #238

How can you insure that it is safe for my great-great-great grandchildren? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #250

They don't give a shit because there was no visible impact. Sirveri Jul 2013 #234

"life goes on, people still grow and eat food and have babies." darkangel218 Jul 2013 #235

Where are those items? Sirveri Jul 2013 #241

even the southern hemisphere is going to be effected by this.... ElsewheresDaughter Jul 2013 #242

Because that glowing wad has yet to splash beneath us. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #251