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We''ll treat him just like Bradley Manning.... think Jul 2013 #1
Yawn. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #2
Yawning at Bradley Manning's treatment is what I'd expect from a Pug think Jul 2013 #3
It is what I'd expect in a military brig as opposed to the civilian system Snowden will face. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #5
The UN chief on torture said Manning's treament was inhumane think Jul 2013 #6
I haven't seen any evidence his treatment was unusual given his circumstances. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #8
Yes, I doubt you would... think Jul 2013 #13
thanks for providing arely staircase Jul 2013 #22
likewise think Jul 2013 #28
I'm sure you looked real hard... bobduca Jul 2013 #16
i looked real hard in your post arely staircase Jul 2013 #25
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un think Jul 2013 #32
I have read all of that before. Calling Manning's treatment torture is an insult to arely staircase Jul 2013 #44
Is that the informatioin you are using to condone what they did? think Jul 2013 #49
it is the info I'm using to call bullshit on the Manning was trotured meme nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #55
"Cruel and inhuman" So you are fine with cruel & inhuman treatment. Just not torture..... think Jul 2013 #58
no. i don't agree with your premise - that he was subjected to anything cruel or inhumane. arely staircase Jul 2013 #60
My premise? It is the UN special rapporteur on torture that is making the statement! think Jul 2013 #63
I have made clear that I disagree with him. arely staircase Jul 2013 #65
If you disagree that 11 months of solitary without a trial isn't cruel and inhuman think Jul 2013 #67
his "solitary confinement" was this: arely staircase Jul 2013 #69
Why did a Amnesty International complain if his treatment was so wonderful think Jul 2013 #70
I might agree with "harsh and punitive" arely staircase Jul 2013 #72
Who said torture where? And No I still think his treatment was CRUEL & INHUMAN!!!!!! think Jul 2013 #73
It is what the OP is about: Holder said Snowden won't be tortured arely staircase Jul 2013 #86
Yes. Apparently being cruel & inhumane is acceptable to many here think Jul 2013 #96
so you do or do not think manning was tortured? arely staircase Jul 2013 #98
Cruel and inhuman! That is what I've repeatedly said. think Jul 2013 #99
ok, thanks. I will go with Amnesty International and say arely staircase Jul 2013 #102
Amnesty calls for protests over Bradley Manning’s treatment think Jul 2013 #106
and they were successful arely staircase Jul 2013 #109
Obviously not everyone is as sure as you since Holder had to write a letter think Jul 2013 #111
he wote the letter because Snowden is asking for asylum and specifically saying he will be tortured arely staircase Jul 2013 #120
Why does Holder feel the need to address such claims if they are without merit? think Jul 2013 #123
because a fugitive from justice has based his claim for asylum on it arely staircase Jul 2013 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jul 2013 #139
If he killed himself, then of course that would be others' fault, too. treestar Jul 2013 #155
Suicide watch in the military is an absolute trainwreck NuclearDem Jul 2013 #159
Exactly arely. Calling bradley's treatment "torture" is Cha Jul 2013 #167
Manning's torture was largely brought on by extended periods of solitary confinement NuclearDem Jul 2013 #14
+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #42
His "solitary confinement" was one in which he could speak to other prisoners arely staircase Jul 2013 #61
If you're going to define that as torture treestar Jul 2013 #154
Thanks for completely misrepresenting what I was saying NuclearDem Jul 2013 #158
You'd excuse torture under a system of martial law, then. n/t cprise Jul 2013 #53
no. manning was never tortured nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #62
Slight quibble: The term 'brig' is used for Navy prisons only. KamaAina Jul 2013 #59
that is correct nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #66
So your agreeing torture was ok for Manning. As for Civilian...Jose Padilla, yeah no torture there Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #93
manning wasn't tortured nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #95
Bwhahaha...your funny Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #140
*crickets* cprise Jul 2013 #150
he was never tortured. arely staircase Jul 2013 #156
Righhtt...keep dreaming Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #157
Well, "Dem" has a whole new meaning here at the "Underground...." villager Jul 2013 #56
Hyperventlating about a non-analogous case is something that Rush Limbaugh does BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #75
yawn... think Jul 2013 #77
Yeah, they couldn't care less.. "Bradely Manning/Torture!!!`1111" Cha Jul 2013 #168
Double yawn. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #20
Yeah fuck Manning that little traitor, now back to dreaming about how exceptional USA is! bobduca Jul 2013 #23
Double the torture love. Double the fun.... think Jul 2013 #26
Manning's military, Snowden's not. n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #4
So it's ok to torture someone if they are in the military? hootinholler Jul 2013 #9
Manning was subjected to cruel and inhumane treatment according to think Jul 2013 #10
Torture in United States Prisons Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #19
There have been multiple articles on this board over the years Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #43
No - Manning was military, Snowden is not karynnj Jul 2013 #12
So what they did to Manning is acceptable to you? think Jul 2013 #17
*Anything* is acceptable to the propaganda team, woo me with science Jul 2013 #33
^^this PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #39
Bullshit. ProSense Jul 2013 #79
Whoa. randome Jul 2013 #171
No it isn't - and many people like me were upset by the reports and karynnj Jul 2013 #81
The defense here speaks for itself. woo me with science Jul 2013 #84
Sorry - your logic is completely underwhelming karynnj Jul 2013 #115
Yep. It's all about which jersey the player is wearing. QC Jul 2013 #104
If someone had shown me text of some of the arguments here, fifteen years ago... woo me with science Jul 2013 #145
The corollary appears to be just as valid... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #141
I know! NOTHING is acceptable to these people! woo me with science Jul 2013 #143
No - and I never said it was - in fact I posted against it back when it was an karynnj Jul 2013 #80
The defense here speaks for itself. woo me with science Jul 2013 #83
That is because you are seeing things not there karynnj Jul 2013 #114
I can't believe you are the third one saying this cui bono Jul 2013 #47
Pointing out an obvious fact is now against decency?? karynnj Jul 2013 #78
Yes, many here have lost their way. Broward Jul 2013 #82
The doubling down is particularly creepy. woo me with science Jul 2013 #119
As with the tripling up... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #142
Imagine taking a consistent stand against torture. woo me with science Jul 2013 #144
Did you read this? He's going to have a civilian lawyer in a civilian trial. pnwmom Jul 2013 #35
This really speaks volumes hootinholler Jul 2013 #7
We don't torture! Well, except for the goumet meals being served by tube to prisoners in Guantanamo Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #11
you suggest we let the hunger strikers starve arely staircase Jul 2013 #29
I suggest that they be tried or released and not tortured. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #31
I agree with that. But if that isn't happening I wouldn't let anyone starve to death. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #36
Force feeding, especially when done brutally and exceptionally harmfully, is torture. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #34
I couldn't let anyone starve to death arely staircase Jul 2013 #38
It is always kinder for the cat to keep his captured victim alive as long as possible Dragonfli Jul 2013 #50
Good god. We are seeing some jaw dropping headlines lately woo me with science Jul 2013 #15
It's sad that there's so much disinformation out there that we have AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #18
It's sad that the US has tortured enough times that our AG has to claim publicly cui bono Jul 2013 #51
Bingo /nt think Jul 2013 #54
Yep Solly Mack Jul 2013 #74
Right, and St Snowedem, the Martyr, and Greenwald, the nasty villain, are putting it Cha Jul 2013 #172
"entirely" without merit? Does ANYONE buy that? hughee99 Jul 2013 #21
No. woo me with science Jul 2013 #27
Well... Are They Not Merciful... WillyT Jul 2013 #24
It's fucking surreal. woo me with science Jul 2013 #30
Agreed... And I Thought We Were Through The Looking Glass With GW... WillyT Jul 2013 #37
LOL. We won't torture SNowden. bvar22 Jul 2013 #40
He's already been tortured... kentuck Jul 2013 #64
Yeah, and the NSA program is worse than Watergate. ProSense Jul 2013 #71
If you think watergate is worse than this spying, no one should ever listen to you. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #160
If you think what you just said makes sense, then "no one should ever listen to you" ProSense Jul 2013 #162
ProSense deploys "I know you are, but what am I?" DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #164
So how is dystopian mass surveillance by a completely rogue, unaccountable branch of government NuclearDem Jul 2013 #165
Well one is a legal program and the other was a crime. ProSense Jul 2013 #170
Just because something is legal doesn't make it even remotely right. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #175
Wow, ProSense Jul 2013 #181
What the fuck are you talking about? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #182
Watergate was a crime. The NSA program is a legally conducted program. ProSense Jul 2013 #183
Fucking unbelievable. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #184
You made a bogus claim. You can be outraged because you were called on it. ProSense Jul 2013 #185
Again, you completely miss the point. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #186
No, the point was bogus. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #187
...I know you think that. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #188
He should come back to the US and make his case. Public opinion is shifting against him. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #41
He would be an idiot to do so.nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #45
He would be an idiot to stay in Russia. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #46
A agree. Rex Jul 2013 #97
oh.... oh... warrprayer Jul 2013 #48
I don't believe what Holder says. The Link Jul 2013 #52
Of course we won't seek the death penalty. KamaAina Jul 2013 #57
Eric Holder doesn't know the difference between torture and the hole The Second Stone Jul 2013 #68
I bet he does. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #76
"The US government does torture and assassinate. And it spies on all of its citizens. " chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #87
Nonsense. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #90
Fitting "rebuttal." DIck Cheney couldn't have sneered it better himself. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #100
More nonsense. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #101
it is sad we have to promise not to torture Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #85
Despite the ProSense Jul 2013 #88
No, it marked an end to people publically defending torture as EIT. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #94
What can anyone say to this except, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #89
We'll see what the Russians do. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #91
Well this might be the reason for the delay flamingdem Jul 2013 #92
And you under the illusion that this headline LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #103
I hope Russia understands that we have something called ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #105
No, ProSense Jul 2013 #107
Bradely Manning. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #113
As I said ProSense Jul 2013 #116
Like I said, the US culture is so violent that even peace loving people ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #122
So Obama's complete inaction to stop the force feeding of prisoners at Gitmo? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #132
Torture is unlawful in US? Go tell that to prisoners who spent decades in solitary. Never even mind idwiyo Jul 2013 #108
Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #110
If its unlawful, then why is it still going on?? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #117
Solitary confinement as practiced in US is torture. No buts about it. idwiyo Jul 2013 #118
Bullshit ProSense Jul 2013 #121
Solitary confinement as practiced in US is torture. Any admin that allows it, allows torture. idwiyo Jul 2013 #124
Wait ProSense Jul 2013 #125
Deal with it. :) idwiyo Jul 2013 #127
Holy crap. great white snark Jul 2013 #128
Obama's is just the latest one of the admins that allowed it to continiue. Every single one of them idwiyo Jul 2013 #130
Yes, every past administration did support torture in that aspect NuclearDem Jul 2013 #131
"Previous administrations may have been guilty of supporting torture that way... ProSense Jul 2013 #134
Yes, I'm saying that the lack of supporting evidence does partially absolve the previous ones NuclearDem Jul 2013 #136
Yes it does. Solitary confinement as it currently practiced in US is torture. idwiyo Jul 2013 #163
You're defining it for yourself. treestar Jul 2013 #153
Regardless of what you want to believe, solitary confinement as currently practiced in US is torture idwiyo Jul 2013 #174
What kind of solitary confinement do you NOT consider torture? randome Jul 2013 #176
Less than 14 days, daylight, free access to books, education, exercise, lawyer, NHS or equivalent, idwiyo Jul 2013 #179
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure they won't. forestpath Jul 2013 #112
So he's stating this to the world just so he can do the opposite? great white snark Jul 2013 #126
Yeah, just like he claimed he would protect whistleblowers when he was campaigning. forestpath Jul 2013 #129
Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #133
That is true, we get third world countries to do our torturing. Rex Jul 2013 #135
LULZ!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #137
We won't torture or kill him IF we get him back to the US... hughee99 Jul 2013 #138
Did he have his fingers crossed behind his back? Rex Jul 2013 #146
Clearly, he should have written: ProSense Jul 2013 #147
I'm new here. Is there a way to negative rec a post? hueymahl Jul 2013 #148
In a related story, Holder also issued a guarantee to Charlie Brown that Lucy would not pull the Karmadillo Jul 2013 #149
If Russia sends him back, they might expect us to do the same for a real... gulliver Jul 2013 #152
Snowden is safer in Russia than in his home country Redford Jul 2013 #161
NO Worries! St snowedem will never let go of his Martyrdom.. Cha Jul 2013 #166
I'm thinking he never had a real relationship with his parents nor his girlfriend. randome Jul 2013 #169
Something 'odd' about you I think... for attempting to analyse Snowden's head without a bit Purveyor Jul 2013 #177
I didn't make a public spectacle of myself. randome Jul 2013 #178
LOL. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #180
Because... Um... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #173
Snowden "hated Social Security, peddled NRA's garbage about Cha Jul 2013 #194
If torture is illegal in the U.S., then why are Bush and Cheney walking HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #189
I seriously ProSense Jul 2013 #190
After Konovalov, Medvedev and Putin have finished laughing, they will HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #191
We'll see. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #193
Putin already said they will not extradite. Peskov confirmed there will be no extradition. idwiyo Jul 2013 #195
We won't torture him AnnieBW Jul 2013 #192
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