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Horrible story! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #1
And this is what we were worried about all along. defacto7 Jul 2013 #2
Exactly. I suspect there have been other cases BainsBane Jul 2013 #3
There's this one starroute Jul 2013 #51
That looks like a hate crime BainsBane Jul 2013 #69
Here's all I can find - it seems the victim was Hispanic starroute Jul 2013 #179
Thanks for the info BainsBane Jul 2013 #377
+10000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #534
"we remain convinced our client has done nothing wrong" RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #4
Hey, he stood his ground BainsBane Jul 2013 #5
SYG does not apply krispos42 Jul 2013 #158
It didn't apply to Marissa Alexander either BainsBane Jul 2013 #364
Marissa Alexander was the agressor. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #404
sigh BainsBane Jul 2013 #418
She charged into the house with the gun. That isn't defense. Check out the links. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #468
You are going based on the testimony of a man who beats women BainsBane Jul 2013 #470
She also shot in the direction of her own kids. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #473
They were not her kids BainsBane Jul 2013 #481
So shooting in the direction of kids is OK with you? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #483
killing kids is ok with you noiretextatique Aug 2013 #554
You said Trayvon was a threat to Zimmerman BainsBane Jul 2013 #482
Green, I concur with your sensibilities. As a law student, as someone who has studied the law cecilfirefox Jul 2013 #498
Thanks. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #510
wasn't it her own residence? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #519
bull...she tried to escape and could not noiretextatique Aug 2013 #553
When she was out of the house, she had escaped. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #555
she could not get out of the house noiretextatique Aug 2013 #556
My facts are straight. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #560
I'm not on board with that case, either. krispos42 Jul 2013 #424
IF the victim was on his property. NOLALady Jul 2013 #381
Correct. This wouldn't be a Stand Your Ground case. But LA is also a Castle Doctrine state. Xithras Jul 2013 #507
Almost word for word what Zimmerman's lawyers said. progressoid Jul 2013 #30
Except Zimmerman didn't feel terrible Mariana Jul 2013 #149
Sanford police examined the scene for physical evidence pintobean Jul 2013 #151
Wonder why he jumped the fence into the yard. Article doesn't explain that part... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #6
The shooter was in a "Shoot first and ask questions later" frame of mind.... TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #11
That is the problem with the NRA-Alec version of self defense BainsBane Jul 2013 #20
well that's all the info I need Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author DrDan Jul 2013 #141
Wait a minute rightsideout Jul 2013 #8
So this is the get off my lawn, but with guns? BainsBane Jul 2013 #10
Did you read what I said? rightsideout Jul 2013 #12
I read it BainsBane Jul 2013 #13
Actually, kids cut through my yard all the time rightsideout Jul 2013 #41
So when you say he looked like Trayvon... Agschmid Jul 2013 #181
Not if there was a fence or gate. We need more facts about this. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #42
which there was. a chest-high iron fence with spikes. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #45
There is a difference between... Pelican Jul 2013 #55
What about the reasonableness of killing an unarmed teenager on sight BainsBane Jul 2013 #386
Who did that? beevul Jul 2013 #405
I wouldn't have shot him on sight... Pelican Jul 2013 #425
Have you forgotten, again, that he is not dead? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #437
I cut through yards of people I knew joeglow3 Jul 2013 #290
I respect your voice of reason and it is needed here.... tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #50
because they want to kill BainsBane Jul 2013 #77
True. Sadly, I didn't think of that. tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #103
I didn't realize how much some want to kill BainsBane Jul 2013 #105
I wonder if those who do kill Bay Boy Jul 2013 #240
It appears Zimmerman does not BainsBane Jul 2013 #382
Yup. Agschmid Jul 2013 #183
You realize that is not true, right? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #261
No, but I've talked to enough gun proponents BainsBane Jul 2013 #358
I agree it appears the intent in this case was to kill. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #368
Because a shot to wound will get you put in prison NickB79 Jul 2013 #137
Nonsense treestar Jul 2013 #268
Shooting a person in the leg is HARD NickB79 Jul 2013 #427
The only nonsense is your response. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #440
Then you'd better make a good decision about how you are in fear of your life treestar Jul 2013 #456
Obviously you have never heard of the femoral artery. spin Jul 2013 #492
Because every firearms instructor will tell you ceonupe Jul 2013 #154
You only have to follow their advice, if that's what you want to do. I wouldn't trust a firearms Hoyt Jul 2013 #281
almost all firearms instructors are nra certified ceonupe Jul 2013 #300
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #307
if you understand how NRA bard elections go you would know generalmemership has little sway ceonupe Jul 2013 #314
Courses taught by those certified by organization answering to gun manufacturers are a little too Hoyt Jul 2013 #319
i dont think you get me ceonupe Jul 2013 #323
Intentionally shooting someone in the leg is Felony malicious wounding. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #257
It is not harder to hit someone in the leg vs the head eilen Jul 2013 #374
What? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #376
The head is not center-mass. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #409
They are both difficult targets, but the legs move around more. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #441
+10000000 treestar Jul 2013 #266
Perhaps because shooting to wound is a fantasy? mythology Jul 2013 #356
Thanks. Didn't know that. tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #559
Deliberate shots to wound are illegal. Such a shot is evidence against you. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #406
This article may help to answer your question. ... spin Aug 2013 #557
Maybe the kid had the wrong house Politicalboi Jul 2013 #85
it was 2 am. pizza guys usually phone the home when they're lost, they don't jump the gate. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #136
...at 7:30 PM! n/t peace13 Jul 2013 #488
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #293
Do you live in an urban area? cyberswede Jul 2013 #315
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #318
Call me crazy... 99Forever Jul 2013 #147
Are you crazy? Don't you know that in America private property rights HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #180
and, unfortunately, the bound of "private property" is being extended and extended DrDan Jul 2013 #287
Exactly! ctsnowman Jul 2013 #246
Fuck property. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #170
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #312
so its open house at your home. n/t. okieinpain Aug 2013 #562
That's a sane analysis treestar Jul 2013 #263
if the gun-nut shooter HAD to fire and that is debatable... chillfactor Jul 2013 #9
What not use bird shot in the gun? ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #14
I watched a video of a cat who stole from the neighborhood. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #35
I don't know what the answer is to this problem. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #46
Maybe find a new home for the dog? AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #53
We have a new pup Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #322
He want to play 'tug o war' with things, so I bought a hemp rope, but he doesn't play with it. AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #337
I wish the people would find him a new home. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #330
Maybe someone else would want the dog? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #76
It's not really something I can suggest to them. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #331
I saw that too - hilarious TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #73
Birdshot is deadly at close range NickB79 Jul 2013 #138
Most on DU know zero about guns ceonupe Jul 2013 #155
I know they are at close range. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #328
Some guns pipi_k Jul 2013 #165
Good idea! ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #329
Me neither... pipi_k Jul 2013 #344
I've worked in stores and no way would I try to protect the store ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #347
Bluffing with a gun is a good way to get killed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #410
That might not work out well if he is armed with a gun of his own. ... spin Jul 2013 #496
I would never use bird shot Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #452
I don't think you really read what I wrote. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #457
If you just want to rack it and freighten somebody, why load it at all. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #458
Because we didn't know what was on the porch until we got to the porch... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #459
Thats my point. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #462
A shotgun loaded with buckshot is the most lethal firearm at close range. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #499
For those who don't want to follow the links... Pelican Jul 2013 #15
Look out? BainsBane Jul 2013 #16
When certain words come together they can form a description... Pelican Jul 2013 #19
That assumes black males are inherently dangerous BainsBane Jul 2013 #22
Well said! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #24
You are the only one who used the word black... Pelican Jul 2013 #27
The boys are black BainsBane Jul 2013 #78
I said he acted like it... Pelican Jul 2013 #113
Actually what I am is observant. nt BainsBane Jul 2013 #369
if it were a white teenager climbing my fence to get in my yard after dark (2 am) while his friend HiPointDem Jul 2013 #32
So you yell at them or call the police. tblue Jul 2013 #43
i said i wouldn't shoot. and i would call the police, since our response times are good. but HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49
Regardless of race ceonupe Jul 2013 #161
Because race has absolutely nothing to do with BainsBane Jul 2013 #387
How does a possible burglary that hasn't happened justify the death penalty? n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #124
Easiest way to avoid it is to not break into other people's property... Pelican Jul 2013 #130
And the easiest way to avoid a murder trial pnwmom Jul 2013 #413
So trespassing = death penalty!?!!? Yes DU, you've been overun by fudr no doubt uponit7771 Jul 2013 #491
I would say not equal to.... Pelican Jul 2013 #497
They guy was 30 feet away, the witness's say he was no threat and the shooter has been charged in th uponit7771 Jul 2013 #502
Wasn't that one of the big three rallying cries against Zimmerman here on DU? Pelican Jul 2013 #505
Yes, people are usually against overt racist like Zimmerman so I think there were plenty of cries uponit7771 Jul 2013 #506
It doesn't. Even if he was planning to break in, he wasn't a threat yet. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #412
You were quite clear earlier BainsBane Jul 2013 #390
Cutting across the yard to get to this bed and breakfast at 1:45 AM? JVS Jul 2013 #21
What does suburban have to do with it? BainsBane Jul 2013 #23
Winding roads in the typical suburban housing complex make for many shortcuts through yards. JVS Jul 2013 #26
Nor does leaving his bicycle behind in the street. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #39
It may be the case that he wasn't taking a shortcart BainsBane Jul 2013 #365
there is no alley. the house is faced by houses on three sides. they butt up against each other. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #445
Bull Crap. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #38
The same justification we used when we jumped fences as kids.. busterbrown Jul 2013 #56
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #57
Stealing that line... Pelican Jul 2013 #62
Perhaps you would have a more effective point if you discussed the dangers of alcohol and drugs busterbrown Jul 2013 #66
Do you have proof to the contrary? Pelican Jul 2013 #68
Not going to discuss the obvious... busterbrown Jul 2013 #72
Got it... Pelican Jul 2013 #75
No, because he is out of his fucking racist mind. busterbrown Jul 2013 #79
Entirely possible he simply values life less than his own property. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #83
I’ll doubt you’ll be hearing him at a press conference talking about his intolerance.. busterbrown Jul 2013 #89
Quite true. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #93
that incident was actually well over a year ago hfojvt Jul 2013 #429
Good to know. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #436
it was in the link hfojvt Jul 2013 #442
What would their opinion have to do with it? Pelican Jul 2013 #115
You don't seem concerned about proof BainsBane Jul 2013 #384
I'm weird because I like facts... Pelican Jul 2013 #423
Facts, like facts that establish someone is a lookout? BainsBane Jul 2013 #432
I said that the actions could be interpreted that way... Pelican Jul 2013 #439
So.... pipi_k Jul 2013 #200
Maybe you should pipi_k Jul 2013 #195
Because if he was white the odds are that he wouldn’t have been shot,, busterbrown Jul 2013 #205
You are speculating pipi_k Jul 2013 #223
Well then... No one ever proved Zimmerman was a Racist. busterbrown Jul 2013 #244
The statement "Zimmerman is a pipi_k Jul 2013 #320
all 9-11 and stay in the car rather than following and killing LanternWaste Jul 2013 #463
Possibly. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #81
"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" BainsBane Jul 2013 #82
I didn't defend the shooter, and I didn't blame the kid. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #86
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #327
well, he deserved to die then BainsBane Jul 2013 #64
he doesn't have a 'lawn'. look at the properties in the neighborhood before you say dumb things. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #67
He's charged with Second Degree murder BainsBane Jul 2013 #70
except the victim isn't dead; it's "attempted". i'm not arguing whether or not the shooting HiPointDem Jul 2013 #88
You don't know what the kid was looking for BainsBane Jul 2013 #90
PRECISELY! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #95
I said he "could have been" BainsBane Jul 2013 #122
There is nothing to suggest he was cutting across the yard. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #126
I don't need to prove shit BainsBane Jul 2013 #128
Is trespassing suddenly not a crime? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #132
Well, by all means BainsBane Jul 2013 #371
Unlikely. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #435
He was literally... Pelican Jul 2013 #135
What evidence do you have to support that? BainsBane Jul 2013 #372
Fair enough... Pelican Jul 2013 #421
Which concerns you more than attempted murder? BainsBane Jul 2013 #431
This shooter and Zimmerman did share your assumptions regarding BainsBane Jul 2013 #131
Quit trying to smear me with that bullshit. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #134
Trespassing is what, a misdemeanor? BainsBane Jul 2013 #370
Nice backpedal. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #434
you're ridiculous. there was no legitimate reason for him being on their property at 2 am. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #96
BUT there are a range of even criminal acts that DO NOT warrant deadly force. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #99
i'm not debating over whether deadly force was or was not warranted. i'm arguing that bane's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #106
Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #108
Is it possible the current media and political ceonupe Jul 2013 #159
the law doesn't allow even the most deranged BainsBane Jul 2013 #373
'castle doctrine' is not an explicit written statement, it's a body of tradition, precedent & law. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #451
Except of course that I EXPLICITLY said it didn't warrant deadly force. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #80
Yet your primary purpose in this thread BainsBane Jul 2013 #84
Simply untrue. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #91
Let's make clear what we do know BainsBane Jul 2013 #94
Damn, you were doing so good until that last sentence. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #98
Yet BainsBane Jul 2013 #100
You handwaved his presence away as being a simple matter of passing through the yard. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #107
What I said is the shooter assumed nefarious intent BainsBane Jul 2013 #109
There is a spectrum of nefarious intent that lies OUTSIDE the continuum warranting AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #111
if you have ever lived in the kind of neighborhood where armed robbery, armed burglary, and HiPointDem Jul 2013 #119
At nearly 2 AM pipi_k Jul 2013 #222
i blame the kid and i dont feel sorry he got shot. okieinpain Aug 2013 #563
I wonder why the little boy's parents Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #321
the child is not dead, so there is no killer. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #97
Not for Landry's lack of trying BainsBane Jul 2013 #104
assuming they had a clear choice of where to shoot (probably not since the kid was standing HiPointDem Jul 2013 #117
Unless the shooter pipi_k Jul 2013 #232
If someone doesn't mean to kill, he probably shouldn't shoot BainsBane Jul 2013 #383
yes, well, it also seems clear to you that a kid might jump a spiked fence at 2 am in a high crime HiPointDem Jul 2013 #447
I never mentioned a kitty BainsBane Jul 2013 #449
you're obviously heavily invested in the straw man franchise, since i explicitly said 'doesn't HiPointDem Jul 2013 #450
Bullshit. pintobean Jul 2013 #454
This is a sensible thing to say. Jenoch Jul 2013 #508
How does the substantiate the poster's point BainsBane Jul 2013 #367
It's like you hit some keyword you set up, and you just stop reading. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #433
It says nothing about "cutting through his yard" either.. pipoman Jul 2013 #192
I guess in some worlds... pipi_k Jul 2013 #236
It says nothing about being a look out either BainsBane Jul 2013 #357
not surprised noiretextatique Aug 2013 #537
he is gone now. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #538
it is long past time noiretextatique Aug 2013 #541
I alerted on that guy so many times and they always came back split. It infuriated me all the time. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #542
likewise noiretextatique Aug 2013 #545
Skinner did it in the end. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #546
yay, Skinner noiretextatique Aug 2013 #547
Agreed but he will try to come back. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #548
i will be waiting for his sorry ass...i can spot a noiretextatique Aug 2013 #549
I am on MIrt so send me a PM if you see him or others that seem like a troll. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #550
will do...thanks noiretextatique Aug 2013 #551
Most of them were banned by the old mirt team. But some slipped through. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #552
Doesn't matter. There shouldn't be a death penalty for trespassing pnwmom Jul 2013 #123
You were almost convincing. Igel Jul 2013 #292
He was safe in the house. He could have shouted through the window that he had a gun pnwmom Jul 2013 #305
There you go, a good excuse to shoot unarmed teen in head over a bit of property. Hoyt Jul 2013 #142
Tough call....I suppose we'll see what comes out in the wash. ileus Jul 2013 #145
Because he was trying to steal stuff. Dash87 Jul 2013 #278
Sounds a little "Leave it to Beaver" to me... Pelican Jul 2013 #284
Maybe his mother doesn't care, but what was he going to steal anyhow? Dash87 Jul 2013 #289
He shot too soon. The kid outside the house was not yet a threat. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #411
I read some of the comments in the article. Beacool Jul 2013 #536
why didn't he call the police ? JI7 Jul 2013 #17
Because he wanted to kill BainsBane Jul 2013 #18
Whom did he kill? Jenoch Jul 2013 #511
The boy is in critical condition BainsBane Jul 2013 #517
I have no intention of defending this guy, Jenoch Jul 2013 #518
this is the missing element sigmasix Jul 2013 #25
Not exactly a Trayvon Martin incident, from your link: freshwest Jul 2013 #28
I don't believe you can just kill someone for being in your yard BainsBane Jul 2013 #31
That is the case in Texas, and some other places, It didn't used to be. freshwest Jul 2013 #47
about 1/4 of the doors & windows in that neighborhood have bars over them; it's apparently HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36
Since they charged him I expect the video is the reason. joshcryer Jul 2013 #40
I agree. The guy in TX was not even on his own property. There is something about this that's off. freshwest Jul 2013 #54
I dunno, even if the kid wasn't walking away. joshcryer Jul 2013 #59
Oh for God's SAKE!!! calimary Jul 2013 #29
Which law are you referring to? Pelican Jul 2013 #63
The "Stand Your Ground" business. calimary Jul 2013 #177
Just want you to be clear... Pelican Jul 2013 #255
SYG does not apply on private property hack89 Jul 2013 #265
Point taken - from you both. calimary Jul 2013 #341
No one should have to retreat in their own home hack89 Jul 2013 #360
Feeling won't work for an SYG defense. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #414
DU armchair lawyers, SWARM!!!! lol flvegan Jul 2013 #33
Yeah, he feels just terrible that they arrested him, I'm sure. Warpy Jul 2013 #34
This has nothing at all to do with SYG TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #92
Why shoot at the heart or the head? Why not lower the gun and shoot at the legs? It will stop him. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #37
I posed this question in regard to Trayvon being shot through the heart. No Vested Interest Jul 2013 #48
I can understand that instruction if you are trying to kill. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #52
That's a good question. But I think their excuse is that their aim is poor. freshwest Jul 2013 #61
I would think any gunshot in your direction would stop you. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #65
he couldn't have 'run away'. the yard is too small to run anywhere, and to get out you have HiPointDem Jul 2013 #133
Apparently the visibility was good enough to hit the kid in the head with one shot. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #214
or poor enough. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #333
So it was just a "lucky shot"? A "tragic accident"? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #334
I have no idea whether he aimed for the head or not, and neither do you. What I know is it's a HiPointDem Jul 2013 #338
There is no doubt the kid was trespassing. But trespassing does not warrant the death penalty. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #379
& i never claimed it did. i said: HiPointDem Jul 2013 #438
I'll just cite others. Igel Jul 2013 #297
Other than standing in the yard, how was the kid threatening him? nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #310
She didn't fire a warning shot. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #471
In other words, she should have killed the guy BainsBane Jul 2013 #472
Then it would have been murder. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #474
You don't fire a warning shot to win an argument. That's reckless endangerment at minimum. X_Digger Jul 2013 #478
I'm guessing, but: the neighborhood is apparently kind of high crime to start with & there's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #58
why shoot at all? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #101
I agree. That is one of the reasons I don't own a gun. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #110
Because shooting a handgun isn't as easy NickB79 Jul 2013 #139
It's pretty essy to shoot into the ground to scare the kid away. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #211
in many cases of shootings ceonupe Jul 2013 #238
Cops taking down a perp should use those tactics. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #243
Warning shots get you put in jail NickB79 Jul 2013 #428
Because gun nuts are taught that by their mentors/instructors. Hoyt Jul 2013 #143
If there is no threat Jenoch Jul 2013 #512
Stand Your Ground = White Mans Law blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #44
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #493
Why was a 14 year old out at 1am???????? WTH? Heather MC Jul 2013 #60
Poor parenting.... Pelican Jul 2013 #71
There is a great deal of poor parenting BainsBane Jul 2013 #87
Are you under the mistaken impression... Pelican Jul 2013 #116
Those who are into guns, support Zimmerman, etc., explain quite a bit as well. Hoyt Jul 2013 #144
I'm under the very real understanding of homicide statistics BainsBane Jul 2013 #378
Exactly, probably gave the shooter a gun at age 7, and took him to range to practice shooting Hoyt Jul 2013 #242
I had decent parents, but I remember sneaking out in the middle of the night penultimate Jul 2013 #198
Pretty much... Pelican Jul 2013 #258
I'm thinking that the shooter did not announce he had a gun. pnwmom Jul 2013 #127
Another 'shoot first' nut. He's in deep doodoo. There is no justification for shooting Flatulo Jul 2013 #74
Stuff... defacto7 Jul 2013 #102
I can't wrap my head around that either BainsBane Jul 2013 #140
Theft should be punished, but community service seems about right to me. Flatulo Jul 2013 #324
Even your own life? n/t oneshooter Jul 2013 #391
What life? BainsBane Jul 2013 #392
Human life is not "stuff," nor is it a possession. BainsBane Jul 2013 #394
So you are saying that you would kill to protect your own life? n/t oneshooter Jul 2013 #402
I can't say what I would do, having never been in such a situation BainsBane Jul 2013 #417
Pray you never get yourself in such a siuation. oneshooter Jul 2013 #460
Chances of that are very remote BainsBane Jul 2013 #461
Bookmarked... Deuce Jul 2013 #112
This one seems morally unjustified exboyfil Jul 2013 #114
this guy didn't have an upstairs bedroom. those houses are tiny, shotgun type houses. another HiPointDem Jul 2013 #118
Good point exboyfil Jul 2013 #120
i dunno. i just don't think this is anything like the trayvon martin case, however hard the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #121
^^^^^ ^^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #166
you do not KNOW the teenager was intent on entering the house.... chillfactor Jul 2013 #125
you're confused, as i am not arguing there was a reason to shoot. i *am* arguing there was HiPointDem Jul 2013 #129
there's a world of difference between fear and the fear of TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #150
you can argue the legalities of it all you like. i'm saying, when you are in that kind of environ- HiPointDem Jul 2013 #309
then such a person should NEVER own a gun TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #349
not you, though. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #352
seeing as I don't own a gun that's hardly a rational response TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #366
"Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests" pintobean Jul 2013 #146
Every shooting is not like the Zimmerman/Martin case. Inkfreak Jul 2013 #148
Hate to say this ceonupe Jul 2013 #152
So you support shooting a kid riding a bicycle in the head over easily replaceable property? Hoyt Jul 2013 #153
Did he jump the fence on his bike, Hoyt? pintobean Jul 2013 #156
I did read the article, and it said some kids were seen on their bikes. Hoyt Jul 2013 #162
Yeah, I just spilled my coffee and shot my monitor. pintobean Jul 2013 #167
No, I am saying they were bicycling (so young kids) and one got off and jumped over a fence. Hoyt Jul 2013 #175
I've stated that I don't think it was a justified shooting. pintobean Jul 2013 #188
Nope, my posts are simply saying these are young folks who ride bikes, not hardened criminals. Hoyt Jul 2013 #190
It looks more like back-peddling pintobean Jul 2013 #197
Because criminals never use bicycles as a mode of transportation. HolyMoley Jul 2013 #227
Thanks, HolyMoley, I'm sure folks in your favorite group -- the gungeon -- will agree with you. Hoyt Jul 2013 #267
I've never been to the gungeon. I live in a small, 90% white town with a high crime rate, mostly HiPointDem Jul 2013 #340
Someone doesn't have to be pipi_k Jul 2013 #262
i don't think you understand the situation. the kid was in the 'yard' a few feet from the back HiPointDem Jul 2013 #336
So shooter was in no danger. I get it completely. Hoyt Jul 2013 #345
glad you know exactly how it was. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #354
Hoyt it's been updated ceonupe Jul 2013 #169
I don't compare it to Trayvon's murder. In this case, the bicycling kid was shot at 30 feet. Hoyt Jul 2013 #172
Please stop with the bicycling kid theme ceonupe Jul 2013 #191
Bicycle proves to me he was not a hardened criminal. But, you guys will back the shooter Hoyt Jul 2013 #196
Actually, riding a bike just means he didn't have access to a car penultimate Jul 2013 #203
Well, then I guess... pipi_k Jul 2013 #271
Do you think police should shoot those thieves? Hoyt Jul 2013 #277
I think maybe pipi_k Jul 2013 #346
She might be ignored, unless of course she's black/brown. Then the swat team would be summoned. Hoyt Jul 2013 #350
it says more than that. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #335
Um... Crepuscular Jul 2013 #173
The kid rode a bike to the house, he doesn't sound all that scary to me. Hoyt Jul 2013 #178
The Crepuscular Jul 2013 #189
A kid outside, can take anything they want -- and unlike you, I would not even think of shooting Hoyt Jul 2013 #194
Again, Crepuscular Jul 2013 #286
We'll find out when facts are released. Until then, I'm not going on auto support for shooter. Hoyt Jul 2013 #291
Details krispos42 Jul 2013 #157
More details. pintobean Jul 2013 #160
30 feet. Now that's not a "big" threat, when the bicycling kid is unarmed, and you are. Hoyt Jul 2013 #164
More has come out ceonupe Jul 2013 #171
Hopefully, NO law enforcement will not release man who shot kid at 30 feet over replaceabl property. Hoyt Jul 2013 #174
They are already making preparation ceonupe Jul 2013 #184
Where are you getting this info? pintobean Jul 2013 #204
The usual suspect sources, I'm sure free republic, stormfront, etc., are burning up the internet Hoyt Jul 2013 #215
By who? Lurker Deluxe Jul 2013 #201
Give me a break, you support shooting an unarmed kid at 30 feet over something left outside in Hoyt Jul 2013 #220
Insurance? NOLALady Jul 2013 #400
MORE PROOF that DU has been overun by fudr!! Kill someone over property!?!! REALLY?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #495
Link and quote the kid being the "look out" just because they're black doesn't mean they were trying uponit7771 Jul 2013 #494
I can't take sides on this story yet krispos42 Jul 2013 #420
Yep, shoot a kid riding a bicycle over property and likely petty theft. Hoyt Jul 2013 #163
Are u intentionally lying? ceonupe Jul 2013 #176
He road the bike to the house, that shows the kid is not some hardened criminal to be shot Hoyt Jul 2013 #182
The fact he road a bike to a possible crime means what now? ceonupe Jul 2013 #187
We've yet to find if the shooter was an angle either. I know to gun cultists he is, but . . . . . . Hoyt Jul 2013 #249
but we know for a fact this teen was a robber ceonupe Jul 2013 #253
Again, no link. pintobean Jul 2013 #269
parents have gone to the local media ceonupe Jul 2013 #273
Provide the link pintobean Jul 2013 #285
link ceonupe Jul 2013 #308
It says nothing about convictions or awaiting trial. pintobean Jul 2013 #317
Link here: B2G Jul 2013 #274
Arrested does not mean convicted. pintobean Jul 2013 #280
I think the poster is referring to this; Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #342
It means he couldn't have been planning much of a robbery gollygee Jul 2013 #270
a laptop goes for about $50 on the street ceonupe Jul 2013 #306
are you under some interesting delusion that the act of riding a bike cali Jul 2013 #206
"in this thread" pintobean Jul 2013 #208
Critical thinking? Shooting an unarmed kid at 30 feet ain't critical thinking. Hoyt Jul 2013 #209
yes, hon, critical thinking. Let me add reading comprehension cali Jul 2013 #217
"Critical thinking? You didn't even finish your bolded sentence. Hoyt Jul 2013 #224
uh, I don't think you understand what critical think is, dear cali Jul 2013 #233
Apparently, our shooter wasn't in imminent danger, or under attack. So much for critical thinkin. Hoyt Jul 2013 #248
There it is! pintobean Jul 2013 #251
thank you Duckhunter935 Jul 2013 #185
The bigotry accusations are yet to fly. nt pintobean Jul 2013 #193
Saw enough of that in the Zman case. And here you guys are again. Hoyt Jul 2013 #213
Said. pintobean Jul 2013 #221
Says the man with a reference to guns in his user name on DU. Haven't seen you around to Hoyt Jul 2013 #212
says the guy who's anti gun stace clouds his ability to objectively look ceonupe Jul 2013 #228
Clearly the kid was up to no good, but shooting him at 30 feet when he is not a hardened Hoyt Jul 2013 #231
Don't confuse those of us who stick to the facts pintobean Jul 2013 #247
just so you know polce have claified the 30 ft claim ceonupe Jul 2013 #259
How is anyone supposed to know pipi_k Jul 2013 #299
If they are at 30 feet, unarmed, a kid, poking around outside, etc., they aren't acting like a home Hoyt Jul 2013 #301
Just so I know for sure Lurker Deluxe Jul 2013 #313
It's nearly pipi_k Jul 2013 #325
Like poster above said, there was enough light to shoot h in head at a distance. Hoyt Jul 2013 #326
You know... pipi_k Jul 2013 #343
One minor disagreement Vattel Jul 2013 #361
I was going to call you on this... krispos42 Jul 2013 #419
Another pathetic cowardly weakling with a gun. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #168
The guy might be trigger happy Just Saying Jul 2013 #186
So, what do you do? Lurker Deluxe Jul 2013 #199
What. The. Fuck. TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #237
Maybe a taser would qualify as non-lethal force. JVS Jul 2013 #260
Article: Law experts say trespassing under Louisiana code does not justify excessive force. Hoyt Jul 2013 #264
Killing people is a wrongdoing. Killing children is a Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #202
"Children" don't wander the streets at 2 am...juviniles do that... pipoman Jul 2013 #218
Well then shoot the little bastard in the Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #234
The use of inaccuracies in attempt to rile emotion pipoman Jul 2013 #235
Actually your definition of child as someone Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #241
she's 'your child'...not 'a child' by definition.. pipoman Jul 2013 #245
Obtuse much? Is she an adult? Does her location and time Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #250
I'm sure she doesn't mind being referred to pipoman Jul 2013 #339
What do you think the word "juvenile" means? n/t gollygee Jul 2013 #272
Nope. Fail. Not a "Trayvon Martin incident" cali Jul 2013 #207
this ^^^^^^^ n/t ceonupe Jul 2013 #230
There is never going to be an exact case BainsBane Jul 2013 #385
This isn't even close pintobean Jul 2013 #388
The shooter fulfilled the gun nut dream BainsBane Jul 2013 #389
Nothing but speculation pintobean Jul 2013 #393
Oh, like all the speculation BainsBane Jul 2013 #395
He was a criminal pintobean Jul 2013 #396
People here speculated on that before that information was known BainsBane Jul 2013 #397
If they were speculating pintobean Jul 2013 #398
Bullshit BainsBane Jul 2013 #446
Bullshit BainsBane Jul 2013 #448
Fail = another case were a black kid gets killed for little or nothing and racist support the killer uponit7771 Jul 2013 #500
Why did he shoot him in the head? He could have easily shot him in the leg so he couldn't southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #210
You watch too much TV/movies geek_sabre Jul 2013 #279
guess I watch way to much tv. After all killing for the sake of a car or like the wild west southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #351
No yoou can not Duckhunter935 Jul 2013 #288
Well maybe this guy shouldn't have a gun. I mean if you shoot a guy for standing by your southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #353
There are a lot of arteries in the leg. A shot that hits the femoral artery can result ... spin Jul 2013 #303
Yes I agree with you totally. This business of standing your ground isn't working for southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #355
Some statistics for you: GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #558
"Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests" B2G Jul 2013 #216
And the picture becomes a bit more clear. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #229
Not accurate. The shooter was arrested. And charged. KeepItReal Jul 2013 #219
If it turns out pipoman Jul 2013 #225
Don't screw around with other people's property. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #226
" Where is breathless outrage for those victims and their murderers? " NOLALady Jul 2013 #401
I mean on DU, but it is true of the msm as well. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #408
Sounds like the teens were casing the place (and more): The Straight Story Jul 2013 #239
Apparently got him in the head at 30 feet. There goes lighting and threatened justification. Hoyt Jul 2013 #252
Not supporting him The Straight Story Jul 2013 #283
It doesn't look like JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #254
This not even close to Trayvon's case!!!! JH19059 Jul 2013 #256
So does the possibility he was going to kill something BainsBane Jul 2013 #359
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We've had our cars broken into more times than I can count - Dash87 Jul 2013 #282
Your really should be ashamed Sissyk Jul 2013 #294
Did you notice this is an article from a website and a news paper BainsBane Jul 2013 #362
Anyone with a conscience, would not Sissyk Jul 2013 #430
What, didn't Trayvon have a history of arrests for burglary? Dr. Strange Jul 2013 #514
The kid was clearly armed with the sidewalk. Case closed. killbotfactory Jul 2013 #295
This is nothing like Trayvon Martin. n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #296
Per his family. "He's a professional thief" boomer55 Jul 2013 #298
Did the shooter know that? pintobean Jul 2013 #302
Castle doctrine boomer55 Jul 2013 #444
Seriously? NOLALady Jul 2013 #380
It is unfortunate the OP has chosen to wave the bloody... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #304
Would it be too much to actually click on the click BainsBane Jul 2013 #363
You did not write it, you posted it, and you seem to be defending the Jenoch Jul 2013 #516
This message was self-deleted by its author penultimate Jul 2013 #311
I must ask if this child was UglyGreed Jul 2013 #316
Could a cop legally shoot a suspect in the same circumstances? Blue Idaho Jul 2013 #332
Its going to keep happening over and over. Stand your ground laws are a legal license to kill workinclasszero Jul 2013 #348
Obviously shooting to kill was the only option. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #375
given previous Crepuscular Jul 2013 #399
What do crime stats say about this particular boy? BainsBane Jul 2013 #415
According to his uncle, he was involved in several burglerys, and got caught up in the wrong crowd. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #453
crime stats? Crepuscular Jul 2013 #455
Just curious, do cities have curfews anymore? When I grew up, there was a 10 p.m. curfew under a Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #403
I don't think so BainsBane Jul 2013 #416
It looks like many cities still do. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #443
The information is limited, but it sounds like attempted Murder 2 to me. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #407
The guy did not have a normal yard. MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #466
I don't either, I live on 40 acres. oneshooter Jul 2013 #477
so what? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #485
True. But the intruder was still outside the house. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #513
+1, not only that but there were witness's in this case, the guy was 30 feet away from the kid & vid uponit7771 Jul 2013 #503
Mostly, they are objecting to whitewashing the teen as "just cutting across the yard". GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #515
normally i would agree, but in this case there are reasons the homeowner might not have HiPointDem Jul 2013 #525
Some very interesting responses in here. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #422
The funny bone. pintobean Jul 2013 #426
Yeap, the same people who defended the racist Zimmerman are defending this guy too uponit7771 Jul 2013 #504
I am thinking this is justified. MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #464
30 feet is not a close distance. pintobean Jul 2013 #465
If you do the same you will also end up on trial BainsBane Jul 2013 #469
If I find someone in my yard, at 2am, there will be trouble. oneshooter Jul 2013 #475
You do realize this case is in a heavily populated city? BainsBane Jul 2013 #476
Five words... pipi_k Jul 2013 #489
the genovese case is nothing like this one. absolute nonsense. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #524
We don't know that it was about "stuff" MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #479
If he was a complete coward BainsBane Jul 2013 #480
Too bad... pipi_k Jul 2013 #487
Quote from New Orleans PD... Agschmid Jul 2013 #486
just for the record: the issue is whether the homeowner *believed* the kid posed a threat. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #521
Hey just maybe... Agschmid Jul 2013 #522
he didn't 'run' into the yard. he climbed over a chest high iron spiked fence. and since the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #523
Okay Agschmid Jul 2013 #528
"Cul-de-sac: is an expression of French origin also used in Catalan and Occitan referring to a dead HiPointDem Jul 2013 #533
The 30 feet thing does not add up. MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #467
So he shot an unarmed kid who wasnt attacking him whos only crime was cstanleytech Jul 2013 #484
Appears to be nothing like the Trayvon murder. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #490
The racist who supported Z the first time is supporting this guy. He was 30 feet away and witness's uponit7771 Jul 2013 #501
Correct. He was arrested. nt NCTraveler Jul 2013 #509
what 'witnesses'? so far as i have heard, there were no witnesses except possibly the kid's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #520
This was in/near New Orleans - not Florida. Laws are very different. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #526
The cases differ in several regards BainsBane Jul 2013 #527
It looks to me like YOU are the only one"connecting it to the Trayvon Martin case." n/t oneshooter Jul 2013 #529
So you couldn't be bother to click on the link in the OP BainsBane Jul 2013 #530
You are the one pushing it on DU. oneshooter Jul 2013 #531
I posted the article BainsBane Jul 2013 #532
So you believe that the headline is misleading? n/t oneshooter Aug 2013 #540
No, the circumstances are not the same. Beacool Jul 2013 #535
nope noiretextatique Aug 2013 #539
this is not trayvon at all, trayvon was'nt doing anything okieinpain Aug 2013 #543
I think Trayvon's case NOLALady Aug 2013 #544
yeah but if your out looking for trouble okieinpain Aug 2013 #561
Maybe. NOLALady Aug 2013 #564
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