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BainsBane

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97. That is certainly true

Reply to Humanist_Activist (Reply #95)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:11 PM

Jul 2013

I didn't have that same observation from the piece. I'll have to reread it.

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Colorblind Ideology is a Form of Racism [View all] BainsBane Jul 2013 OP

My children will be taught to be color-blind. Socal31 Jul 2013 #1

I disagree BainsBane Jul 2013 #2

Teaching them not to be racist isn't the same thing as teaching them to be color-blind. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #4

Well, people's advantages or disadvantages due to race are not assumptions. reusrename Jul 2013 #59

It serves to reinforce the status quo. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #3

Exactly. That is the entire problem with "color-blindness" in a nutshell. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #5

The author is reinforcing the status quo... Pelican Jul 2013 #55

Wrong. The author is claiming that people already do that... Deep13 Jul 2013 #61

So... Pelican Jul 2013 #62

No, but pretending one isn't influenced by racism BainsBane Jul 2013 #147

My kids have friends of several races and treat them all the same. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #6

no, that isn't the point at all BainsBane Jul 2013 #10

The diffrience... Lancero Jul 2013 #7

You look at a person and think he/she is a different color than I am. mick063 Jul 2013 #8

denial is not a river in Egypt PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #9

Colorblindness is a philosophy grounded in naive optimism for an America that does not exist LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #11

Isn't racism treating people differently due to their skin color? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #12

Read the article BainsBane Jul 2013 #13

Did. Don't buy it. Hell, even MLK dreamed of a colorblind age... Skip Intro Jul 2013 #14

So does that mean people need to become like you to be accepted? BainsBane Jul 2013 #16

Exactly. When people say they want "a color-blind society" they usually mean *on their terms* nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #34

You are Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #17

MLK dreamed of it, he didn't say it was a reality. intheflow Jul 2013 #23

He dreamed of a FUTURE where people would be judged on the content of their character LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #54

How can we aspire to something that we're asked to consider racist today? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #108

Everyone would love a colorblind society- but selfish, foolish libertarian types think bettyellen Jul 2013 #146

If they think that if their color-blind actions will create reality... how is that racist? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #150

Because they are basically pretending that their inaction helps, and so, hindering progress. bettyellen Jul 2013 #151

Misreading the Dream: Color-Blindness and the Distortion of Martin Luther King Jr. gollygee Jul 2013 #67

I agree, and suggesting that those who see people through a color blind lens Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #71

but nobody is blind, are they? kwassa Jul 2013 #20

Racism LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #50

Stephen Colbert is a genius at exposing this. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #15

To me, color-blindness means "I don't see you". kwassa Jul 2013 #18

Or to be more specific... backscatter712 Jul 2013 #21

Do I have to start caring about people's religion, too? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #24

Could you have Fiddler on the Roof without Judaism? n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #25

False analogy. Race is visible, religion usually is not. kwassa Jul 2013 #141

Yarmulkes? Turbans? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #142

That will only get you Orthodox Jews and Sikhs. kwassa Jul 2013 #144

Colorblindness is the Conservative reaction to race sweetloukillbot Jul 2013 #29

Not just that we're all alike gollygee Jul 2013 #73

very well said BainsBane Jul 2013 #22

(1) All popular notions of race are vacuous from a scientific PoV; (2) these notions have arisen struggle4progress Jul 2013 #19

Best post of the thread! nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #36

There is only one race Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #26

That's unfortunate BainsBane Jul 2013 #27

You assume much, inaccurately too Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #28

That doesn't change the fact that race effects people's lives BainsBane Jul 2013 #30

Sorry, I'm not an American Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #31

But whatever you call it - "bigotry" or anything else - ignoring it won't make it go away. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #35

Do you think I don't see the argument? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #41

But how can you deal with racism if you refuse to discuss "race" at all? nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #42

It is NOT "racism", it IS bigotry Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #48

Seems to me "bigotry" is the general category and "racism" is a specific manifestation. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #49

Correctamundo! Racism exists, but separate races among humans do not. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #38

Thanks! Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #45

Thanks to you as well Cronus. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #57

You posted an awful lot of angry replies after trashing the thread. Orrex Jul 2013 #68

Really? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #69

Nope. Why do you ask? Orrex Jul 2013 #78

Rec. You would have done better to post this in one of the minority forums here Number23 Jul 2013 #32

I don't know... I think there have been some quite good responses on this thread. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #37

I'll cross post it tomorrow nt BainsBane Jul 2013 #43

Honestly LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #56

posting on a liberal site doesn't make one a liberal JI7 Jul 2013 #60

k&r Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #33

I see it more as being non-judgmental of each of our differences. uppityperson Jul 2013 #39

Read the article, didn't find it persuasive LittleBlue Jul 2013 #40

What I think the author isn't getting. Kurska Jul 2013 #44

I think you have it backwards BainsBane Jul 2013 #46

I disagree, you can believe race is a factor while not personally allowing it to be a factor for you Kurska Jul 2013 #47

You made the point I was just thinking of Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #72

Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #110

Racist to treat people equally... Pelican Jul 2013 #51

You are deliberately looking to misunderstand BainsBane Jul 2013 #52

Another person trying to shill that race is so important... Pelican Jul 2013 #53

If I had to treat everyone differently based on their race I would be spinning.... dkf Jul 2013 #58

That's the problem with this OP. What if you don't know someone's race? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #66

Well that would be patronizing as hell, so good thing no one actually said that. n/t gollygee Jul 2013 #74

Yeah. That's not really what the OP is saying. DirkGently Jul 2013 #88

I agree Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #70

BainsBane JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #63

I think it's a particularly pernicious lie BainsBane Jul 2013 #64

I just answered a dumb ass poll about this JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #79

Heh heh. You wrote "ass poll" Orrex Jul 2013 #82

Perhaps I am naïve REP Jul 2013 #86

That last line explains the issue gollygee Jul 2013 #101

Take that tangible a step further JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #107

That's a good point gollygee Jul 2013 #109

Another terrific point Orrex Jul 2013 #112

OK, call me niave, but what is it about the perms that's specific to black women? Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #115

It's the opposite JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #117

Oh, ok, I knew about the segregated AA hair products, its just that most... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #121

I fall in that category JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #122

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging differences, but to avoid embarrassment... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #123

Also, and I'll be completely honest here, I spend like 10 bucks, maybe 15, every few months... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #125

How about I'm color blind I don't care about color we are all different uppityperson Jul 2013 #137

take what you need JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #140

You are absolutely right gollygee Jul 2013 #65

Saying things that are self-evidently nonsense is a good way to attract posters, but silly even so. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #75

Reading the article helps BainsBane Jul 2013 #76

It's hard for me to respond to content-free snark with anything other than content-free snark. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #81

If you have nothing to say, why say anything at all? kwassa Jul 2013 #143

I think that's Colbert's angle when his character claims he DirkGently Jul 2013 #77

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2013 #80

I'm confused because I don't understand what differences are supposed to be highlighted... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #83

There is no such thing as biological race BainsBane Jul 2013 #87

Race is a cultural construct, that is true, but being a particular race, or percieved... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #95

That is certainly true BainsBane Jul 2013 #97

The problem is I think, the way people use words... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #102

Color blindness is claiming not to see race BainsBane Jul 2013 #103

Colbert's parody is funny if you take it literally, like he does, for the sake of comedy... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #105

True, but that doesn't mean the ones associated with race make any less of a contribution BainsBane Jul 2013 #111

That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about assumptions, based on perceptions of race... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #119

I certainly see that people are different, superficially, but I certainly don't make assumptions... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #106

I suspect that the people lecturing the most over this pretty much only know white people, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #91

Why don't you read the comments by African American posters in this thread BainsBane Jul 2013 #93

Good point BB - but they don't want to do that JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #114

Wrong gollygee Jul 2013 #99

I find this thread very annoying Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #84

I found the article and thread annoying as well, having multiracial children in my extended... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #90

What about this says don't treat people like human beings? BainsBane Jul 2013 #92

This thread is strawman central gollygee Jul 2013 #94

Do you mean my thread? BainsBane Jul 2013 #96

I mean the responses to your thread gollygee Jul 2013 #98

It's a heady subject BainsBane Jul 2013 #100

I should have said Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #124

Apparently "colorblindness" is DU's new "benevolent sexism". Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #85

There is nothing benevolent about a lie BainsBane Jul 2013 #89

For me, Richard Wright illustrated the flaw of 'colorblind' behavior. LiberalAndProud Jul 2013 #104

"In a colorblind society" shawn703 Jul 2013 #113

Exactly. Right on point. kwassa Jul 2013 #145

"pretending we're colorblind ..." napkinz Jul 2013 #116

And a big fat +1 to that! gollygee Jul 2013 #120

Excellent point BainsBane Jul 2013 #136

I treat all people the same. However, I see MineralMan Jul 2013 #118

I think you describe doing exactly what the article advocates BainsBane Jul 2013 #128

That is how I was raised. MineralMan Jul 2013 #130

Making assumptions about people's experiences based upon their physical appearance, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #134

That's not what the article "lectures" you to do at all BainsBane Jul 2013 #139

Of course. Generally, you learn from the person. MineralMan Jul 2013 #149

Really sad to see this only has 25 recs on DU, of all places. mattclearing Jul 2013 #126

Not only does it have only 25 recs gollygee Jul 2013 #127

Nearly everyone I have met who claimed to be colorblind... Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #129

Nobody responded to my thread gollygee Jul 2013 #131

I did not see your thread before but I gave you a reply Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #132

You noticed that too BainsBane Jul 2013 #135

Certainly interesting, but not at all surprising. Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #138

Is that right?? Number23 Jul 2013 #148

I'm fine with multiculturalism;... badtoworse Jul 2013 #133