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Response to hunter (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:34 PM

11. A few more incorrect statements from this thread

  • We were sending a message to the Soviet Union and testing out our new atomic might on living cities while we still had some pretense of "reasonable cause."

    The cause was not a pretense. Japanese fascist policies were not morally equal to American economic preeminence in the Pacific



  • The supposed imminent "invasion of the Japanese mainland" was a display of force too, meant for both the Japanese and the Soviet Union, but was a moot point by the time of the surrender.

    There was nothing moot about completing the defeat of Japan. To have left Japan unconquered would have led to the triumph of the militarist party--which would mean a certain later war with a fascist Japan--and a thorough discrediting of the Peace Party factions in Japan. It would also lead to a probable Soviet domination of all, rather than half, of Korea.

    I don't think you appreciate the relative lack of options a leader has in war. Either you go for a complete win or you face further atrocities and compounded violence further down the road. If Iraq taught us anything, it showed that you don't fight half wars. Of course WW2 was a war we didn't have a choice about fighting, but that's a different tragedy.



  • U.S. motives were clear, primarily American racism and hatred of the Japanese, and big businesses' hatred of communism. Stalin's Soviet Union and the Japanese Empire were very clearly toxic and genocidal societies, but it was never an ethical question of "saving American and Japanese lives" by use of this horrible weapon.

    I don't defend the racism on the US or Japanese side of the war. But I think any view of Soviet human rights policies under Stalin thoroughly justifies the hatred of left wing totalitarianism. There are quotes in Racing the Enemy, the book cited below (available online), that very clearly stipulate a desire to save Japanese as well as Americans, and the liberty of Japanese as well as their lives.

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