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calimary

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137. Welcome to DU, Oakenshield!
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:36 PM
Aug 2013

Glad you're here. I agree. President Obama for the most part makes me VERY proud. YEEEEEEESSSSSSS I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW...

He isn't perfect. Lots of stuff I would have done differently, but I would have been a white female president and different dynamics would be at play both for me and against me. I read somewhere - probably here - that what may be governing his mindset at least from the start was the painfully keen awareness and sensitivity toward who and what he was as he stepped into the Presidency: the First Black President. Or, let's go farther - the First Mixed-Race President. The First Non-Anglo President. I'm wondering if some of his longtime advisors recommended he not go too strong or push too hard or too far - because of what would be said and printed and blathered about him. Oooooh - another scaaaaaaaaaary black man - ooooooohhh - gnash teeth-gnash teeth, ring hands-ring-hands, clutch pearls-clutch pearls!!!!!! Or the moldy, moth-eaten stereotype of the angry black man that would just be laminated to him. Perhaps he felt the need to go a little easier to help disabuse (at least) some people of that mentality.

Granted, some people in America simply can't be helped in this regard. Some people in America, mostly from the angry, resentful, bitter, aging, white male demographic, just are beyond help, and beyond reach. They're going to have to carry that bitterness and anger with them to their graves. They're the ones who Pox Noise and limbaugh & clones try to appeal to, and to stir up. Some of them are beyond redemption. They're the ones with the stupid-ass three-cornered hats and the "don't tread on me" flags and the teabags, who vote for anti-New Dealers in the GOP who will try to erode all their benefits, while clinging desperately to their "Don't Touch My Medicare" protest signs. They're angry, fearful, and perfect targets for the psy-ops of the CONs. Thank goodness there are fewer of them than there are of us.

And I support him because, overall, I think he's better than anybody else who had a realistic chance of being elected. And on his worst day he's LIGHTYEARS better than anything the other party tries to force upon us. And I don't want to damage the brand. I want a DEMOCRAT in the position of picking the next SEVERAL Supreme Court Justices. I want a DEMOCRAT in charge of the nominations and appointments. I want a DEMOCRAT in the White House - to hold off the assholes who'd send him all kinds of revisionist and regressive legislation that he (or she) can stop it in its tracks with a veto rather than a rubber-stamper as the GOP hoped they'd have in mitt romney ("don't even bother your pretty little self reading the bills we'll send you. Just be able to hold a pen so you can sign what we put in front of you" - a quote from grover norquist last year, I believe).

What I think I'm most concerned about is how this ongoing debate here and elsewhere might be contributing to tearing us apart here on OUR side, and dividing us and our interests, thus clearing the way for one of the bad guys to get in.

I GUARANTEE YOU, if you don't like what's going on with one of our guys in the Oval Office - please just think back to when bush/cheney stole their way in there and the havoc and devastation and utter piracy and mass death which that led to. Imagine where we'd be now, with ANY of the issues people care about here, if romney had gotten in. Or rick perry. Or newt gingrich. Or looking ahead - ted cruz or rand paul or steve king or rick santorum. At his worst, President Obama is INFINITELY preferable to ANYTHING the bad guys run, in the past, in the now, AND in the future. And if people want to start being Medea Benjamins and send valentines to rand paul or somebody else because on one part of one issue they're fooled into thinking he "might" be on their side or "might" present a viable alternative, then just continue dancing on down Delusion Drive. But don't expect me to come with you.

Illegal Domestic Surveillance Outweighs All Purported Good Deeds cantbeserious Aug 2013 #1
Damn, I forgot ProSense Aug 2013 #3
... Cha Aug 2013 #25
It's pure silliness. ProSense Aug 2013 #49
That Bush Started The Surveillance State Is Misdirection - That Obama Continues Same Is Not cantbeserious Aug 2013 #52
"Bush Started The Surveillance State" is nonsense. Bush's actions were illegal. ProSense Aug 2013 #54
Obama Continues The Desecration Of The 4th Amendment - Good Constitutional Lawyer That He Is cantbeserious Aug 2013 #55
I didn't know the Constitution was a sacred document, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #84
Clever Misdirection cantbeserious Aug 2013 #85
I thought you had confused the ten commandments Progressive dog Aug 2013 #98
No Confusion In Using The Metaphor cantbeserious Aug 2013 #104
It's silliness, but not pure silliness mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #106
It's pure silliness, and no ProSense Aug 2013 #111
Which kind of confirms my point mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #113
No, it doesn't confirm your point about "Obama policies" n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #114
Sure it does mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #122
No, ProSense Aug 2013 #123
Ah ok, so it was specifically about that particular issue mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #124
Nothing ProSense Aug 2013 #125
The original point I was making still stands mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #128
Perhaps you need to read all the information posted today on the Greatest page Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #138
Dated August 10th. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #136
Obama has to deal with the likes of Justice Roberts Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #155
How do you know that there has been "illegal domestic surveillance?" I'd say that's the purported MADem Aug 2013 #26
How Do I Know - I Learned To Read And Practice That Skill Daily cantbeserious Aug 2013 #51
Non-responsive. Unless you work at NSA, you "know" nothing. MADem Aug 2013 #88
I Worked At The NSA 25 Years Ago - We Did Not Spy On American Citizens cantbeserious Aug 2013 #91
OK, there ya go. THAT's what you "know." MADem Aug 2013 #96
Thank You For The Education - I Never Knew I Was So Ignorant cantbeserious Aug 2013 #101
I never called you ignorant. You come to that conclusion without my input. nt MADem Aug 2013 #116
Au Contraire - Chastisement Is Strong Implication cantbeserious Aug 2013 #118
I implied nothing. I say what I mean. You are painting yourself as an MADem Aug 2013 #119
No Victim Here - I Say What I Mean - You And I Will Have to Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Aug 2013 #121
That, and more. Amazing how armchair pundits here somehow imagine they know more about spying Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #36
Yes, it does. Particularly when the good deeds are mostly exaggerated claims 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #37
+1000 forestpath Aug 2013 #60
Senator Wyden Warns of Potential Public Backlash From Allowing Secret Law - 2011 cantbeserious Aug 2013 #67
where are the Rs who want to stop the terrorist hunts? They voted FOR the bush laws. Sunlei Aug 2013 #74
Pure Speculation - I Suspect That They Are Practicing Duck And Cover cantbeserious Aug 2013 #76
My Republican relatives on Facebook are delighted Roselma Aug 2013 #126
The Best Countermeasure Would Be Open Debate On the Topic Followed By Shutting Down The Programs cantbeserious Aug 2013 #127
Not working with anti-Rethug voters like me. roamer65 Aug 2013 #150
I am more upset about the permanent tax cuts for the rich hfojvt Aug 2013 #139
An Equally Pernicious Problem Left Unsolved By The President cantbeserious Aug 2013 #143
Do you ever sleep? burnodo Aug 2013 #2
Are you typing in your sleep? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #4
I hear the secrets that you keep... burnodo Aug 2013 #7
Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream ProSense Aug 2013 #9
does that mean you're going to sleep? burnodo Aug 2013 #12
Eventually. You? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #15
Awesome song reference. nt riqster Aug 2013 #107
. AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #5
You're cute. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #6
that post below me was freaking stupid.. what ever made Cha Aug 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #8
One of the best republican presidents maybe whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #10
No, one of the best among all Presidents. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #13
Poor things.. they don't know the difference between what republicons are Cha Aug 2013 #27
FDR is rolling in his grave .... 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #40
FDR is one of the best Presidents ever ProSense Aug 2013 #44
+1 It's amazing isn't it....this lock step allegiance which is snappyturtle Aug 2013 #105
FDR dennis4868 Aug 2013 #135
I'll be sad when he's gone. bravenak Aug 2013 #11
Damn, I must be watching TV with you all, I do the same! RKP5637 Aug 2013 #53
He'd win a 3rd term with over 60% of the vote, IMO. millennialmax Aug 2013 #14
Yes, that's my Prez! Cha Aug 2013 #16
I'm shocked that the comments on YouTube didn't include "Ron Paul 2012!". Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #17
I'm there. tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #18
He's a remarkable man. Oakenshield Aug 2013 #19
Welcome to DU, Oakenshield! calimary Aug 2013 #137
This old man agrees with you madokie Aug 2013 #20
He's one of the smartest Presidents ever. nt Raine Aug 2013 #21
Im hoping hes the first LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #22
How is this "new age of Democrats" any different from pre bu$h Republicans? RC Aug 2013 #66
Your questions would require too much thought on the part of these snappyturtle Aug 2013 #108
Because thats what it takes LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #120
He was/is head and shoulders above anyone else that has been offered up. eom 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #23
Obama's our chess playing president.. he looks at Cha Aug 2013 #24
DITTO!! :-) hue Aug 2013 #29
Hey hue! Cha Aug 2013 #31
He'll WIPE OUT the whole board !! leftstreet Aug 2013 #92
You think he's a king? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #115
No, more like a gullible rook. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #142
Pres Obama is brilliant! Considering the massive RW propaganda war against Him He is the BEST!! hue Aug 2013 #28
Well he's in the top 40 anyway....... bowens43 Aug 2013 #32
Most definitely, he's one of the Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #72
Posts like your op, are just embarassing. they're childish. cali Aug 2013 #33
Your comment is what's "embarassing" and "childish," ProSense Aug 2013 #42
hardly, pro. It's simply too early to make such a pronouncement. cali Aug 2013 #65
Frankly, ProSense Aug 2013 #70
It is amusing.....she is taking an ass-kicking on Snowden, so posts this. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #64
"Edward Snowden broke the law by releasing classified information. This isn't under debate" ProSense Aug 2013 #75
Snowden forces Obama to have conversation about Spying.... Logical Aug 2013 #78
OMG, a wall of "blue links"! ProSense Aug 2013 #86
Yes, I wanted to see how easy it was to do. It took 3 minutes. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #93
LOL! That long? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #94
I have not had practice on 100,000 posts like you. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #97
You need to "practice" opening your own thread and copying the information? ProSense Aug 2013 #99
Try posting an original thought sometime. It takes more work but makes you look better. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #100
The wall of "blue links" was your idea of an "original thought"? ProSense Aug 2013 #103
Your stomach is turning because you are losing. tridim Aug 2013 #80
losing what? good grief. I'm glad I never post anything so silly. ever. cali Aug 2013 #83
I think ProSense Aug 2013 #87
You are losing your effort to destroy Obama. Big time. tridim Aug 2013 #89
way to early for that... madrchsod Aug 2013 #34
Being one of the best President's ever ProSense Aug 2013 #46
maybe.... madrchsod Aug 2013 #173
He did not pass "health care reform." He passed health-insurance reform. Major difference. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #176
Utterly impervious to any and all facts. Obama walks upon water, details at 11. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #35
The vitriol and rancor aimed at Obama on DU sufrommich Aug 2013 #38
Sadly true loyalsister Aug 2013 #90
he knows more than any man in the world! KG Aug 2013 #39
"best president ever!" - I remember reading that 2 weeks after the 2009 inauguration DrDan Aug 2013 #41
My President, right or wrong. Yay!!!!!!!!! Scuba Aug 2013 #43
Some think he's a Muslim socialist. Does that mean he's not their President? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #45
After three and a half years Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #47
Get a new "Obama Action Poster" did you? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #48
Based on voting percentages, I guess so. bluedigger Aug 2013 #50
Indeed, we've never done better! MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #56
At least ProSense Aug 2013 #57
Have you seen the stock prices of health insurers lately? On fire! MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #58
Have you heard about the 40 repeal votes and the billions being spent to distort the law? ProSense Aug 2013 #61
Have you heard about more people in poverty, needing Medicare MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #62
Have you ProSense Aug 2013 #69
If you started counting in 2000, that woud be true. MindPilot Aug 2013 #59
Wait ProSense Aug 2013 #68
LOL, here we go again. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #63
IMO the big O would have had 75% of the pop vote if the Rs didn't gerrymander, cheat & scam. Sunlei Aug 2013 #71
opinions are like ------------ PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #73
"opinions are like ------------stinky"? ProSense Aug 2013 #77
mine may be stinky too. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #79
Nonsense. His presidency has not been appalling, but it's been mediocre. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #81
No ProSense Aug 2013 #82
He's Clinton without a sex scandal n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #95
Absolutely Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #102
Nope mick063 Aug 2013 #109
Hillary has not been damaged. Fringe Aug 2013 #112
The best president. Fringe Aug 2013 #110
Assuming he doesn't lose the ground he has gained... kentuck Aug 2013 #117
I still love him! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #129
... Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #130
And I do believe that's how he will go down in history. Maybe even THE best. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #131
:-) n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #132
K&R BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #133
Every time I think you might be serious you post a thread like this... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #134
She is not serious. she just likes to stir stuff up. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #141
I'm very serious, and your comment is nonsensical. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #146
I know you are just pulling our strings at time. But that is OK. If it entertains you then fine. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #154
"Either you are a troll, delusional, or a paid operative." ProSense Aug 2013 #145
No. I am open to a job doing what you do. I, however, would do it better... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #149
You mean ProSense Aug 2013 #156
Hyperbole aside, President Obama's signature legislative victory passed was written by madinmaryland Aug 2013 #140
Wrong ProSense Aug 2013 #148
I appreciate the explanation, Mr. Gibbs. nt madinmaryland Aug 2013 #153
You're welcome, Mr. Boehner. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #158
K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #144
I'd put him above the realm of Pierce and Fillmore. roamer65 Aug 2013 #147
What a pile of steaming horseshit... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #151
And your post is a steaming pile of horseshit BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #152
LOL, coming from you? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #160
Right? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #191
I am glad that you feel very well represented. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #157
It feels great to have President Obama. ProSense Aug 2013 #162
Can't win them all, I guess. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #165
I am sure the 80 innocent Guantanamo detainees think exactly that each time they are GoneFishin Aug 2013 #159
You think they miss Bush? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #161
I think they miss sanity. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #190
This OP is a childish embarrassment of a joke RetroLounge Aug 2013 #163
That description is better applied to puking in every thread. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #166
... RetroLounge Aug 2013 #167
"one of..."? I think you're selling the man short! egduj Aug 2013 #164
:-) n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #168
Probably only fair to middling, considering the civil rights violations. alarimer Aug 2013 #169
Yeah, some people were "sorry" after 2008, and ProSense Aug 2013 #172
Boink. Scurrilous Aug 2013 #170
Considering all Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #171
Get off your knees. donheld Aug 2013 #174
Classy. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #177
Embarrassing. Marr Aug 2013 #175
Yes, posting that image is "embarrassing." n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #178
What a fucking pile of shit. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #179
The far left wonders why its not taken seriously. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #189
The left wonders why the right is calling itself the center. Marr Aug 2013 #204
Yes you are. n/t Scurrilous Aug 2013 #199
Your title is a damn joke. 1awake Aug 2013 #180
How dare some one praise the Democratic President on a JoePhilly Aug 2013 #182
If you put party before right and wrong 1awake Aug 2013 #187
And if you spend your time on a site called DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND JoePhilly Aug 2013 #188
Yes, you made allowances for one on your team you 1awake Aug 2013 #192
The whiners are the ones "carrying on". JoePhilly Aug 2013 #194
Maybe I should because if the future of this party 1awake Aug 2013 #195
The view from your high horse must be absolutely amazing. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #196
Your the one that started making accusations.. not me. 1awake Aug 2013 #200
That reality drives the perpetually disgruntled crazy. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #181
I really do think that Skinner should just rename the site. BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #183
I hear ya ... at times I've called it ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #184
"lots of them (both sides) hope the whole place burns down" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #185
Exactly ... so now on DU, to find Dems talking about stopping JoePhilly Aug 2013 #186
+ infinity BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #201
Sad and true. Fringe Aug 2013 #202
Either side can say that. 1awake Aug 2013 #193
I'm a liberal who votes democratic because whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #197
War is Peace. woo me with science Aug 2013 #198
Desperation is evident. ProSense Aug 2013 #205
k & r Fringe Aug 2013 #203
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