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Fire Walk With Me

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136. The Pauls are like clockwork: They'll instantly leap upon the outrage of the day
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:49 AM
Aug 2013

in order to attempt to gain followers in the process. (Ayn) Rand usually contradicts himself publicly shortly thereafter.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

But...NO, there is advantage-taking occuring, Johnny-come-lately profiteering. Ignoring that, this is still only and always about the fact that the United States has become a surveillance state uncaring of the laws and principles upon which it was founded. Ignore the circus surrounding the facts. This is about lawless government and a path to hell for the country if allowed to prosper.

Well there used to be another political faction in favor of civil liberties you know NoOneMan Aug 2013 #1
Yeah, ProSense Aug 2013 #5
I forgot to include this ProSense Aug 2013 #11
Oh hey, East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #126
Don't read them ECP, because facts are just awful. tridim Aug 2013 #141
What facts? NoOneMan Aug 2013 #153
Here's another ProSense Aug 2013 #149
Nobody cares about Ron Paul. I cannot understand your fixation on him Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #157
The Constitution doesn't belong to a faction. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #2
The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand?? darkangel218 Aug 2013 #3
because people from all walks of life bought the Pet Rock? n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #9
I said political life. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #15
Pretty much anyone ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #30
Because it should be UP TO US TO WHO WE CHOSE TO DISCLOSE WHAT! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #41
Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #70
They dont colect everything like the NSA does! and if i dont want darkangel218 Aug 2013 #79
The NSA is purchasing this information? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #139
who else? nebenaube Aug 2013 #179
It was and you did. You agreed to the terms of service. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #72
Terms of service which are fully disclosed. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #81
For my previous response ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #76
Enjoy your spying. To each their own i guess. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #83
So, if I agree to allow a third party, for example a house cleaner, to enter Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #112
That poster will not respond to actual questions. The meme he pushes is frightening, consent is the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #122
The housecleaner can tell the government or anyone treestar Aug 2013 #125
Yes, but that was not the claim that was made. Have I ceded my 4th amendment rights? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #128
No. treestar Aug 2013 #217
If the housekeeper is in possession of my information the government needs a Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #221
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #22
Im glad you find our Constitution funny. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #51
Did you feel the same way when GOP congress INSTITUTIONALIZED it years before blm Aug 2013 #67
Yes i did. And Obama couldve changed it, but he didnt. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #69
When? When in the last 4 years did Obama accumulate the power base to blm Aug 2013 #183
Well-said. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #216
First ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #84
"there is no constitutional violation" darkangel218 Aug 2013 #86
No constitutional violation? What constitutes a violation of the Constitution for you? RC Aug 2013 #133
i know, right? this thread is heading for the dungeon imo elehhhhna Aug 2013 #12
Are you denying the facts/links related to Assange, Greenwald and the Pauls? ProSense Aug 2013 #14
Also, ProSense Aug 2013 #21
please know that I don't give a hoot about S's motives, elehhhhna Aug 2013 #26
The name calling says otherwise. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #53
pretty accurate name RetroLounge Aug 2013 #222
The NSA defenders Mnpaul Aug 2013 #165
Yep we all can play the framing game. It's become childish. L0oniX Aug 2013 #192
Why are you still paying attention to the obsessive reframer behind the curtian? L0oniX Aug 2013 #188
The grapes have been really sweet this year. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #4
Thanks.. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #162
this OP is meant to bolster the libertarian meme. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #6
Those dots are so connected they make up one big lump of libertarian shit. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #7
Umm, democrats give a shit about the Constitution too, you know. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #10
This has nothing to do with the Constitution and every thing to do with Whisp Aug 2013 #19
BS is has nothing to do with the Constitution!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #20
The Pauls are using that weak spot for their own benefit Whisp Aug 2013 #61
That may end up being the consequence. kentuck Aug 2013 #8
Easy solution, of course. woo me with science Aug 2013 #13
You win this thread. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #27
Or what: ProSense Aug 2013 #35
OFFS ...off the deep end. L0oniX Aug 2013 #98
No, what was the point of the comment in the context of the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #101
To convince people to not care about government spying on us because that helps ron paul. L0oniX Aug 2013 #107
That was the point of the poster's comment? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #108
Of course ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #37
... woo me with science Aug 2013 #57
Ok I am using that pic L0oniX Aug 2013 #103
Me too! kentuck Aug 2013 #105
You win the thread! neverforget Aug 2013 #111
No disidoro01 Aug 2013 #80
Its not nice to share. obxhead Aug 2013 #106
No! Dirty Libertarians support those. We need our own pet issue... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #154
Precisely. n/t ljm2002 Aug 2013 #172
If true, it is only because Democrats have ceded the ground on protecting civil liberties. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #16
As I said ProSense Aug 2013 #18
As I said, virtually no DUer I know is in support of Rand Paul. But many of us are horrified at Dems hlthe2b Aug 2013 #54
Issues disidoro01 Aug 2013 #89
Even if you buy the premise that the libertarians "won" on this issue somehow Pholus Aug 2013 #17
Despite the attempts, no one is rushing into Rand Paul's camp. ProSense Aug 2013 #23
Precisely, because despite the insinuations we are all Democrats here. Pholus Aug 2013 #29
What does that have to do with the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #31
I will presume you're not being deliberately obtuse. Pholus Aug 2013 #38
Oh please, that's ProSense Aug 2013 #49
I'm just going by what other posters are saying. Pholus Aug 2013 #64
I guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #43
...and then there's the Dems going right along with the Bush/repuke NSA DHS cause. L0oniX Aug 2013 #124
It is only the timing of our "republican support" that offends. Pholus Aug 2013 #151
You say, "no one is rushing into Rand Paul's camp"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #175
Really? ProSense Aug 2013 #178
PO is "suffering the consequences" because he chooses to. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #24
The "confusion" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #32
Have you been missing out on the FISA deliberations? Pholus Aug 2013 #45
Did you miss Civics class again? BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #88
My Senator (Udall), who has been waving his arms about this for years, truebluegreen Aug 2013 #131
Thank you! Pholus Aug 2013 #142
No problem. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #148
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding! ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2013 #120
I Smell LaRouchies... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #25
I think that's a reasonable suspicion. ucrdem Aug 2013 #28
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #50
Could be. But they're still Republicans ucrdem Aug 2013 #60
Only Rand Paul fanatics could possibly oppose NSA spying techniques. dairydog91 Aug 2013 #33
Ok! You convinced me! hootinholler Aug 2013 #34
lmao!!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #46
But we already knew all about these programs since 2006 or 1996 or 1776 or something? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #36
The publication of the Verizon warrant. randome Aug 2013 #40
Eh, I'm just giving the talking points from a couple of months ago Fumesucker Aug 2013 #63
You're right, too much secrecy -and duplicity- breeds mistrust. Always. randome Aug 2013 #77
That's a problem old enough there is a Latin phrase for it Fumesucker Aug 2013 #93
"the quickest way for Obama to make this go away is to be candid and forthright about it." No, see stevenleser Aug 2013 #85
We have been lied to on a massive scale before regarding intelligence Fumesucker Aug 2013 #114
That's nice. I even mostly agree. But it doesn't address your point to which I responded. stevenleser Aug 2013 #119
Look, we all know for a fact Obama is lying about one major aspect of domestic policy Fumesucker Aug 2013 #143
Personally, I thought the leak was a Benghazi-esque part of the Rand Paul campaign. Coyotl Aug 2013 #39
A Ratfuck from start to finish. And just look at how many fools swallowed it whole. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #42
One Presumes The Clapper Lies Were A Figment Of Imagination cantbeserious Aug 2013 #52
or that one doesn't know that Clapper was placed in a lying position but fuck facts, best to chase uponit7771 Aug 2013 #62
One Presumes That One Knows Not Of Nuremberg cantbeserious Aug 2013 #66
...or that more than enough know to NOT ask certain questions in public of secret agencies but again uponit7771 Aug 2013 #75
So The Excuse Is That American Citizens Do Not Need To Know - Hello, Democracy cantbeserious Aug 2013 #90
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #59
Wyden is a randroid mole? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #127
Where are the singing cats? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #44
Theyre here. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #47
That is not right. randome Aug 2013 #55
Cheers! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #56
Have an awesome day, Vinnie!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #65
Keep Dreaming cantbeserious Aug 2013 #48
Rich Lowry?! If you're going to source a RWer, Quantess Aug 2013 #58
So you're implying that RWers aren't allowed to hype RWers? ProSense Aug 2013 #68
I can't take Rich Lowry seriously. That is what I am saying. (no text) Quantess Aug 2013 #71
The whistleblowing was an attempt to show the government is LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #73
Thanks ProSense Iliyah Aug 2013 #74
No, the leak was an attempt to preserve democracy. Octafish Aug 2013 #78
Martin Luther fights were also a plot to bolster Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #121
Labels and Propaganda. Misinformation and Disinformation - From the Toolkit of the Ruling Class. Octafish Aug 2013 #189
I see you're still searching for that 4th tactic. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #82
. ProSense Aug 2013 #87
That is still the second tactic. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #92
Speaking of conspiracy theories: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #96
Speaking of deflection ProSense Aug 2013 #104
Still a mustread: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #110
They have a brand? You mean those anti tax banner carriers and the 1% of primary voters Paul Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #91
Tell that to Assange, Greenwald and Snowden. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #94
If you feel the need, you should do so. I'm telling it to you, the DUer claiming this 'brand' exists Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #117
"The brand is Republican Brand." So Assange and Greenwald support Republicans? ProSense Aug 2013 #123
There are treatments for obsessive compulsive disorders. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #95
Rich Lowry burnodo Aug 2013 #97
Can you believe it? Quantess Aug 2013 #207
the leak was an attempt at undermining the obama brand BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #99
This post violates the Statement of Purpose for the General Forum - NO Conspiracy Theories - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #100
No, it doesn't. It's an opinion, but I can see why it's important to deflect from ProSense Aug 2013 #102
So it appears.... Tikki Aug 2013 #109
lolololol BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #113
Now THIS thread is flamebate. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #115
Well someone has to convince us all that the NSA and DHS loves us. L0oniX Aug 2013 #129
Here: ProSense Aug 2013 #132
Wait, I'm convinced. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #137
I didn't expect this when I signed on to Linkedin. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #186
POS heaven05 Aug 2013 #116
Per Rand Paul the NSA Iliyah Aug 2013 #118
Not to mention the ACLU brand, the Anmesty International Brand, and a few others. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #130
But the Democratic Party isn't on that list NuclearDem Aug 2013 #134
Good catch. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #156
Those are all Ron Paul front groups! Under the bus with them! nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #155
It's political espionage. gulliver Aug 2013 #135
The Pauls are like clockwork: They'll instantly leap upon the outrage of the day Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #136
The desperation is smelling thick this morning. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #138
Yeah, calling out pro-Paul Assange and Greenwald is wrong. ProSense Aug 2013 #140
especially when you just make it up burnodo Aug 2013 #159
The downplaying is an attempt to cover Democratic ass. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #144
Probably. AppetiteForApathy Aug 2013 #145
"the leak" was an attack on the obama brand BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #146
This is conspiracy theory limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #147
This was not a leak.... midnight Aug 2013 #150
As was the Iraq war which Libertarians oppose as well!! Damn Libertarians!!! nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #152
Another fallacy ProSense Aug 2013 #158
Hillarious, you don't even know what you are arguing.... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #166
Really? ProSense Aug 2013 #169
And? Again, what are you arguing? Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #201
"Try, really try, to be fucking SPECIFIC. " ProSense Aug 2013 #206
The Pauls don't represent all Libertarians. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #196
Assange and Greenwald like them. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #197
Big fucking whoop. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #200
Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #205
There needs to be push back from the libertarians Mnpaul Aug 2013 #160
I know who the OP's REAL heroes are AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #161
No, I ProSense Aug 2013 #163
I support an America that sticks to its principles, cares about its people... AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #190
I thought Paul was a Republican leftstreet Aug 2013 #164
Who cares who leaked the information and for what theoretical ulterior motive? Maedhros Aug 2013 #167
I do, and misinformation is not cool. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #168
misinformation is not cool. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #173
That's not what Senators Wyden or Udall says: neverforget Aug 2013 #176
From Wyden's statement ProSense Aug 2013 #184
I found this part especially telling: neverforget Aug 2013 #185
Congress can fix that, which is addressed by the reform proposed. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #193
And President Obama needs to support the reforms. neverforget Aug 2013 #194
Post hoc ergo propter hoc... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #170
"I can't help but think that you are the cause of this problem Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #180
I admire you PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #181
You have ProSense Aug 2013 #203
I am quite happy... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #204
And I'm quite happy calling out Rand Paul ProSense Aug 2013 #208
as sure as the sun appears to rise in the east, avoid the message by attacking the messenger nt msongs Aug 2013 #171
Beating a dead horse into a bloody pulp. mick063 Aug 2013 #174
You mean they were politiking? Rex Aug 2013 #177
Damn. There sure are a lot of libertarian Democrats in Congress! David Krout Aug 2013 #182
It would take a true idiot to buy the pile of shit you're trying to sell. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #187
Now how did I know this was you? dkf Aug 2013 #191
Is it because of the name attached to the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #195
I just read the title of the piece and I already know. dkf Aug 2013 #198
LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #202
I sense that it may be so. moondust Aug 2013 #199
I knew that from the beginning when Whiny libertarian, ed snowden, was Cha Aug 2013 #209
Keep failing to catapult the ProPaganda! bobduca Aug 2013 #210
The Pauls and the Leakers Are All Fond of Each Other ProSense Aug 2013 #211
Association fallacy bobduca Aug 2013 #212
Is that a "blue link"? ProSense Aug 2013 #213
I think Assange is wrong bobduca Aug 2013 #214
You're right about Assange. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #223
I agree that may have been one of the reasons. Number23 Aug 2013 #215
Cool CT! Do tell more, don't just stop half way, please! idwiyo Aug 2013 #218
What insipid drivel. TransitJohn Aug 2013 #219
Another win for the Koch brothers. Get ready. freshwest Aug 2013 #220
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