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Mc Mike

(9,106 posts)
99. All your posts in this thread are right on, JDP.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:22 PM
Aug 2013

Interesting how the gov demands rights for themselves that they strip from us.

For national security purposes, they must know everything about us. For national security purposes, we can't know anything about their actions.



Brad Blog amplified a Chris Hayes piece June 28 that highlighted a second "national security vs. whistleblower" contradiction, that showed another double think double standard:

"Hayes cites Starr's reporting in order to point out the hypocrisy in how some leaks, those seemingly meant to make the Pentagon look good, are, apparently, perfectly fine in the eyes of many of the very same people who have otherwise criticized --- and even called for the arrest of --- both Snowden and Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who had the temerity to report on Snowden's leaks."

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10103

I never saw if anyone put this on DU at the time, but it didn't make a big splash, if it was posted. (And I haven't lost track of the fact that we're talking about Manning and Wikileaks, not Snowden and Greenwald. Not trying to conflate the 2 issues, either.) Chris Hayes 5.5 min video is included in the bb link, good ideas worth viewing. The 8 para sum up of Hayes' idea is a quick read, anyway.



And a final 'national security' double think that is troubling is that so much of this information is already known. Whether it is the mechanics of the REAL 9-11 attacks on us by our enemies, or our attacks on our enemies in the world wide theater of war, or the collateral damage our attacks induce causing us to LABEL non-combatant innocent victims as 'enemies', or our treatment of the UN and Spanish and Italian governments as 'non-friendlies' -- in every case, the other parties already know what they did and what we did, the only people who have to be kept in the dark about the facts are the hundreds of millions of American citizens who don't have national security clearances to know classified info. So, who is being treated like an 'enemy of the state' here is obvious.

Aw, Jeez, KPete-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #1
Hope And Change - Does Anyone Still Believe That Nonsense cantbeserious Aug 2013 #2
Oh, I thought somebody over at the fire actually read something snooper2 Aug 2013 #3
Not important enough, move on then snooper2 kpete Aug 2013 #4
Nah, OP really needed my comment in the mix snooper2 Aug 2013 #6
maybe because: kpete Aug 2013 #10
ding ding ding! NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #17
Catch Amy Goodman's interview with Manning's lawyer on Weds. Cleita Aug 2013 #33
I hope that they are emsimon33 Aug 2013 #73
It'll be okay in the morning snooper2 Aug 2013 #74
Yep, we'll be outraged allright, but you'll do well under the new regime. reusrename Aug 2013 #80
Manning stole classified materials and distributed them NM_Birder Aug 2013 #7
so what you are saying, is we would be BETTER OFF --- NOT KNOWING THESE THINGS?: kpete Aug 2013 #11
No, I'm saying,.. just like in the example of Hugh Thompson JR...... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #12
you made me laugh kpete Aug 2013 #14
if it wasn't true it could be even more funny ! NM_Birder Aug 2013 #58
If you think about that long enough and hard enough you'll see colors. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #81
I notice you don't elaborate on "the right way." caseymoz Aug 2013 #23
+1 Marr Aug 2013 #25
+2 LiberalLovinLug Aug 2013 #31
+3 ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #38
also worthy of note, NM_Birder Aug 2013 #40
Well, let's look at the "means." caseymoz Aug 2013 #59
fantasy ? Don't flatter yourself, none of my fantasies include you, and certainly not prison. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #62
Many of the documents were classified by the criminals themselves cpwm17 Aug 2013 #68
To quote your previous message. caseymoz Aug 2013 #69
And I'm the angry one ? Better tomorrows man. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #86
Wishing "Manning a very long and tormented prison life" speaks volumes about your views on this. suffragette Aug 2013 #98
I don't need you to respect my POV,.... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #39
How many other things don't you neede? caseymoz Aug 2013 #71
What facts do I have wrong ? NM_Birder Aug 2013 #85
Once more: SHE. pfc Manning is a woman. Please, start using proper pronouns when talking about her. idwiyo Aug 2013 #79
Sure, no offense meant...... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #84
Exactly. Chemisse Aug 2013 #96
Yeah right. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #32
Everything I said is true, I see you agree with me, but I don't think you mean it ;) NM_Birder Aug 2013 #52
I hope he is treated Caretha Aug 2013 #83
pfc Manning is a wistleblower and NOTHING will ever change that. BTW, it's SHE. She is a woman. idwiyo Aug 2013 #77
Sure.....not my intention to insult. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #103
Plus even more here: AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #13
thanks AnotherMcIntosh kpete Aug 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Aug 2013 #30
Curious LiberalLovinLug Aug 2013 #36
I would like to bookmark your post. Could you start a new thread with it so that I can? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #41
just for you kpete Aug 2013 #55
Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #60
Well, in 35 years . . . caseymoz Aug 2013 #18
he did break the law, the rest is your disgusting spin NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLovinLug Aug 2013 #37
That was my view in the beginning. When I saw how Manning was being railroaded into a long JDPriestly Aug 2013 #43
yes, not to mention his incredible cruel imprisonent early on-- tantamount to torture NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #100
Recommend! KoKo Aug 2013 #104
Everything i said is true..... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #49
Please elaborate on something you have now mentioned a few times: NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #97
Take a deep breath.......... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #102
Is that to be taken as a threat against another member of DU? KoKo Aug 2013 #105
Are you joking ? NM_Birder Aug 2013 #107
I'm disappointed ............. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #108
You know, so Did John Adams, Sam Adams, Paul Revere, Patrick Henry, all the Founders Demeter Aug 2013 #20
you win in my book............ NM_Birder Aug 2013 #44
My hope is that Dick Cheney will be his cell mate for outing Cleita Aug 2013 #34
In 35 years she could be the President of the US. Did you ever hear of Nelson Mandela? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #70
yeah... maybe kpete found sonething of substance. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #54
Hugh Thompson Jr was awarded the Soldier's Medal... CincyDem Aug 2013 #5
What if Hugh Thompson Jr had .... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #8
Hugh Thompson threatened to fire on US soldiers NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #21
Unknown entity? progressoid Aug 2013 #22
LOL...he's on TV, he MUST be OK. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #42
In many ways he's better known than many newspaper publishers progressoid Aug 2013 #45
LOL,...I'd comment, but I think you're serious. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #47
Manning went to his superior officer and received no satisfactory answer. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #46
Hope manning is satisfied now, I guess I'm satisfied with 35 years. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #50
Not for 35 years. That is extreme. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #51
Couldn't agree more, regarding the need to weed out corruption, ........ NM_Birder Aug 2013 #53
I would not wish "a long and tormented prison existence" on anyone. What a horrible wish. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #63
All your posts in this thread are right on, JDP. Mc Mike Aug 2013 #99
He also offered the files to the NYT....but they didn't reply to him. KoKo Aug 2013 #106
He could have gone to any member of Congress hack89 Aug 2013 #109
And the NSA surveillance would have caught him. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #110
Going to Congress would mean it would most likely become public hack89 Aug 2013 #111
Dennis Kucinich would have been viewed by many, as he so often was, as only a kook. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #112
So every Dem in office would have ignored war crimes? hack89 Aug 2013 #113
Probably. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #114
That is pretty cynical. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #115
Yes. And discouraged. I worked very hard to get Obama elected and re-elected. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #116
The Manning supportors are blinded from the facts. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #65
Oh, my! chervilant Aug 2013 #76
.... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #87
Seems to be the trend. Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #27
That's trying to paint a scenario like frazzled Aug 2013 #9
That is because the government mishandled Manning and the situation. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #48
Hear hear lumpy Aug 2013 #56
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #15
Another gem from the Manning leaks: US State Department killed a minimum wage increase in Haiti limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #24
Taxpayer Millions: kpete Aug 2013 #26
The term of Bush-appointee Ambassador Sanderson ended less than a week after struggle4progress Aug 2013 #88
Yeah. Aren't you glad Manning leaked these docs exposing how the State Dept. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #89
During Bush years here at DU, I took the view that "Ownership Society" was code struggle4progress Aug 2013 #90
I think your main point is this was Bush's fault, not Obama's. Is that right? limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #92
Go learn the history of Haiti during the Bush I and Bush II years struggle4progress Aug 2013 #93
I think the policy toward Haiti has been consistent from Bush to Obama. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #94
Hispaniola is a textbook example of The Ownership Society (2008) struggle4progress Aug 2013 #91
The 1% got their Hope and Change LiberalArkie Aug 2013 #28
Kudos to those who have *not* been silent about this. gtar100 Aug 2013 #29
Regarding those who condemn Manning and believe he did more harm than good, I must GoneFishin Aug 2013 #35
No, you have entirely wrong. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #57
"Are you defending criminals?" - Yes, I am at least. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #61
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #64
It's no matter to me. I am none of those you attempt to mischaracterize me as. You know nothing GoneFishin Aug 2013 #67
An ironic argument from someone with a name like yours. The early Americans that said rhett o rick Aug 2013 #72
I'm not terribly concerned with pleasing you by not seeming "extreme." Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #75
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #66
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #78
Manning's worst critics are turn-coats fascisthunter Aug 2013 #82
+1. “hope and change,” that phony campaign slogan from 2008. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #101
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