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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
89. Knives don't fill the same space in our culture guns do.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:44 PM
Aug 2013

I think part of the gap in the conversation continues to be people thinking on one hand about how calm, level-headed people have firearms all around them, all the time, and there's relatively little risk of violence or accident. That's true enough.

But other people see an awful lot of demented thinking surrounding firearms, from pseudo-cops like Zimmerman to militias fantasizing that they can take out the Feds, to your basic idiot threatening to shoot the neighbor's dog or kids on his lawn. That's real too.

Someone handed me an NRA newsletter the other day to thumb through. Sandwiched between a couple of rants about Obama were miles of glossy ads for weapons for sale. I didn't see a single one that talked about advances in deer hunting technology. It was all "tactical" stuff, or handguns. All about the sexy violence available for sale. This is where the gun industry is coming from. Not "tools." Not hunting. They are selling a fantasy of personal power.

We -- not just 'gun nuts' -- but our culture as a whole, fetishize the idea of personal power and autonomous security through keeping and carrying guns. They're symbols of authority, competence, and indomitability. Not to everyone, maybe. But to too many for it not to be a problem.

Knives don't fit that fantasy. Nobody imagines they are a cop, or don't need the cops, or can put a stop to any crime in the area, or are going to war with the government, or will shock the world by wiping out a school or a church or a mall, because they're carrying a knife.

Sure, you get your occasional shirtless weirdo spinning a katana in an intersection now and then or collecting "dragon daggers" in Mom's basement, but it's not the same thing, and those cats are generally not going to wipe out a kindergarden.

It's not just "guns" we have a problem with here. It's the way we think about them. That's why all the comparisons to cars and knives and baseball bats are disingenuous crap. Those things aren't part of our particular violent psychosis here.

Since when is carrying a gun bad? LearningCurve Aug 2013 #1
Stabbing rates are essentially comparable to shooting rates nationwide Recursion Aug 2013 #2
I always carry a pen sarisataka Aug 2013 #52
Shhhhh... Don't give the TSA any ideas on what to ban next. nt Buns_of_Fire Aug 2013 #60
By the time I fished out the knife on my Leatherman, Buns_of_Fire Aug 2013 #55
I carry a knife, too. It's handy for a variety of things that come up, LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #3
I support the carry of firearms. But I do have a comment. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #4
I have a concealed weapon question. hope you respond barbiegeek Aug 2013 #26
There is a saying - "concealed means concealed". geckosfeet Aug 2013 #32
I carry a knife but not as a weapon madokie Aug 2013 #5
Reminds me of that Domino's guy jakeXT Aug 2013 #6
Plenty of places in the US where blades that long are illegal. Use it in self defense in the wrong Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #7
Maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife in the UK is 4 years. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #8
Its legal to carry if the blade is under 3 inches long, and does not lock Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #17
Silly restriction Adrahil Aug 2013 #45
Fair comment dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #49
That's also fair, I suppose. Adrahil Aug 2013 #62
How is it different than carrying a pound of cocaine and going to jail when you didn't hurt anyone? Logical Aug 2013 #82
You don't say? HolyMoley Aug 2013 #83
A knife is a tool, a handgun is a weapon. B Calm Aug 2013 #9
A weapon is a tool pintobean Aug 2013 #38
Only the people we trust (like cops, politicians, etc) should be allowed to carry them The Straight Story Aug 2013 #10
Yup. You can always trust your government and the police. .... spin Aug 2013 #14
Indeed. Whereas our neighbors and such, well if you see something say something The Straight Story Aug 2013 #16
You...you mean I can stereotype & demonize, too? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #35
And let's not forget recent stabbings, like Eight-year-old boy stabs sister, more: The Straight Story Aug 2013 #18
I always have a fixed blade knife in a sheath on my belt. ... spin Aug 2013 #20
That's so funny you mention Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #27
Great minds think alike :) (nt) The Straight Story Aug 2013 #31
You seem to be implying that carrying a gun thucythucy Aug 2013 #39
Ah, I see...so it is some freedom people don't use the way you like often enough The Straight Story Aug 2013 #48
I think you missed the point. thucythucy Aug 2013 #97
Not that gave up a line of argument, just that The Straight Story Aug 2013 #98
How many people here have actually advocated that position? Sounds like a strawman to me. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #71
Just to clarify The Straight Story Aug 2013 #92
Okay, maybe I'm overstating things a bit. I guess aside from the "scary" look the AR isn't nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #93
I carry a Leatherman in my purse. I don't specifically carry it for the blade, Arkansas Granny Aug 2013 #11
And I'm a guy that owns two of them, kentauros Aug 2013 #41
Like you, I don't carry my Leatherman for defense. It's about the handiest tool I've ever owned and Arkansas Granny Aug 2013 #42
You mean like this one: kentauros Aug 2013 #43
A Leatherman (or a Gerber if you are on a budget) and a roll of Gaff Tape SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #77
Along with my Leatherman (which was a gift), I have several Arkansas Granny Aug 2013 #90
Knives don't accidentally "go off" vankuria Aug 2013 #12
Neither is wrong... ileus Aug 2013 #13
Like you, I always carry a knife and use it many times a day as a tool. ... spin Aug 2013 #15
No, it does not have the capability of killing many people treestar Aug 2013 #19
Not nearly as bad. DanTex Aug 2013 #21
As a swamp ecologist quaker bill Aug 2013 #22
When you sold your guns Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #23
This makes you just as paranoid as if you carried a gun krispos42 Aug 2013 #24
None of the "gun folks" are answering the question you asked. Robb Aug 2013 #25
Funny, I saw that too. Hmmmmm... wonder what it means... Squinch Aug 2013 #33
Uh, I think the OP was asking... You. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #36
That's because it wasn't addressed to us. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #37
I inferred... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #40
You didn't answer it either sarisataka Aug 2013 #50
If its remarkable that people who this isn't addressed to aren't answering... beevul Aug 2013 #67
I have just one question...Do you sing with that thing in your pocket? HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #28
Me, too. This: MineralMan Aug 2013 #29
doubt the knife will jump out of your pocket and stab someone 200 feet away Sunlei Aug 2013 #30
funny... Adrahil Aug 2013 #46
It varies discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #34
Straw man Fail n/t n2doc Aug 2013 #44
I usually have at least two on me REP Aug 2013 #47
Can it accidentally go off and kill someone? I doubt it. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #51
Guns don't do that either. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #56
There have been plenty of cases where kids brought guns in their backpacks to school pnwmom Aug 2013 #58
I would argue that there are probably ZERO such cases. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #61
There were several adult witnesses to both these cases that you don't believe in. pnwmom Aug 2013 #65
Were they... beevul Aug 2013 #68
They were adults that could see that the child wasn't holding the gun -- it was in the backpack. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #69
That does not mean... beevul Aug 2013 #70
"Holding/moving/manipulating" a backpack could cause a hidden gun to discharge accidentally. pnwmom Aug 2013 #72
Did someone say that wasn't true? beevul Aug 2013 #85
Got any more hairs to split? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #88
Thank you, for making it clear... beevul Aug 2013 #95
Fine. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #76
Much like "the car rolled downhill" is what idiots say when the emergency brake disengages or become LanternWaste Aug 2013 #59
I sometimes carry a knife, but the blades on the knives I carry are only about 2" long. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #53
DU doesn't have two groups devoted to knife politics, as they do for guns. Paladin Aug 2013 #54
Is it a tool or a weapon zipplewrath Aug 2013 #57
I trust a person with a knife more than a person with a gun... Neoma Aug 2013 #63
No, not "as wrong". DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #64
Ah...Benchmade 530....unh, unh, unh... Iggo Aug 2013 #66
As others have noted, a knife is far less deadly (potentially) than a gun. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #73
Why am I reminded of the Joker? Initech Aug 2013 #74
Yes and no ryan_cats Aug 2013 #75
Carrying a gun is neither good or bad. former9thward Aug 2013 #78
You call that a knife? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #79
I carry a swiss army knife on my belt all of the time, very useful for RKP5637 Aug 2013 #80
Ever consider taking knife fighting lessons? HolyMoley Aug 2013 #81
Only you can mimi85 Aug 2013 #84
Do you still beat your apples and oranges? Tikki Aug 2013 #86
I've carried a knife in my left front pocket for .... oldhippie Aug 2013 #87
Knives don't fill the same space in our culture guns do. DirkGently Aug 2013 #89
Some times I wish I could carry a AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #91
That's really nice Union Scribe Aug 2013 #94
Can you fire it at people and kill them, repeatedly? Rex Aug 2013 #96
I keep my old SERE hunting knife in my glove box. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #99
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