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Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
118. Sorry, but no.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:42 PM
Aug 2013

Obama's -- and Congress' -- motivation for any action in Syria IS fair game and should be called into question at every turn.

War is ALWAYS ultimately about motivation.

If you do not see that you are blind.

rec. I agree. cali Aug 2013 #1
Can't we do both? zipplewrath Aug 2013 #2
I would never say President Obama is beyond discussion Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #7
Now you're discussing it zipplewrath Aug 2013 #15
I never came close to discussing the motives of people ascribing motives to the President Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #17
LOL … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #149
What, exactly, are you calling "lurid fantasies"? BlueStreak Aug 2013 #69
Everything can be explained by "private money in politics" Amonester Aug 2013 #74
No argument there. And that includes Obama BlueStreak Aug 2013 #84
Which makes him a tool of obxhead Aug 2013 #97
Your lurid fantasies are somebody else's discussions. caseymoz Aug 2013 #81
They are as free to do so as I am free to rebut Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #88
BOG = ? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #41
I've seen the term here on DU but I have no idea what it means Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #47
BOG is (or was) the Barack Obama Group hfojvt Aug 2013 #55
Group not a forum zipplewrath Aug 2013 #86
okay, there it is hfojvt Aug 2013 #104
Yeah, that thread got me banned zipplewrath Aug 2013 #109
It stands for: Barak Obama Group. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #150
Barack Obama Group. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #61
Not if you want a serious discussion directly related to Syria. As any marriage counselor pnwmom Aug 2013 #107
Alot has to do with trust zipplewrath Aug 2013 #110
I agree here, z. People have lost a lot of trust due to the actual things that are being Nay Aug 2013 #125
Well to the larger point zipplewrath Aug 2013 #131
It's true that I wish all discussion of a topic would at least begin with discussion of Nay Aug 2013 #140
What are the other meta points? zipplewrath Aug 2013 #142
My post wasn't meant to be exhaustive, that's for sure---your points are good additions. Nay Aug 2013 #143
No...you are required to abide by the rules mandated by cheerleaders Supersedeas Aug 2013 #144
DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #3
Heartily recc'd treestar Aug 2013 #4
They'll keep saying it but take heart Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #13
The ethics? I'm somehow unethical because I feel the president is not acting in my best interest? Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #38
Should he be impeached? Will you press your congress critter to file for impeachment? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #40
No, my congress-critter needs no nudging from me. Sunspots Johnson would like nothing more Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #43
So you passively accept an illegal war by soeone you claim has ill motives. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #46
No. I don't passively accept. I do what I can, and what I can do is let others know that Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #51
Your heart? treestar Aug 2013 #96
They're not going to impeach him on anything I find illegal. caseymoz Aug 2013 #85
So their inaction is your excuse? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #90
My excuse for what? I can't try him. caseymoz Aug 2013 #148
Interesting pronoun treestar Aug 2013 #94
exactly Supersedeas Aug 2013 #154
Totally agree with this post. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2013 #63
K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #5
Sounds like one BOGer has reached his/her tolerance limit Doctor_J Aug 2013 #6
+1 Scuba Aug 2013 #8
If saying "this isn't the best argument to achieve what you want" is a mark of intolerance Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #10
Oh yeah...like you're open-minded. So here are the search results for "bankers hate Obama" BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #14
Boom goes the dynamite...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #22
Nope, a big fizzle. See downthread. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #130
Um, I'm guessing you didn't actually open any of the links you posted. progressoid Aug 2013 #48
Boom goes the dynamite, they say! nt TM99 Aug 2013 #57
I know all about them...there's a much broader range of people saying the banks hate Obama BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #62
RW libertarian to extreme LW purotopian is a narrow range? progressoid Aug 2013 #77
That has been amply demonstrated on this board BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #79
And there we go with the labels of those we don't agree with. The OP did not call anyone "hater" or pampango Aug 2013 #16
Exctly. What is even more stunning is Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #28
Name calling, how AWFUL! MNBrewer Aug 2013 #58
Nice post. And a great example of how to be passionate and convincing without name calling. pampango Aug 2013 #114
Right on! He has gone against what he promised. The candidate Obama is very different from Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #29
The TPP will prove he is not. raouldukelives Aug 2013 #30
Yeah, Syria has nothing to do with forcing TPP through...nothing to see here... pipoman Aug 2013 #9
I've been following Caretha Aug 2013 #11
I think the more world-weary among us knew soon after 1/20/2009 that something Doctor_J Aug 2013 #23
+1 zeemike Aug 2013 #36
It's a feedback effect Scootaloo Aug 2013 #12
I guess what you see … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #151
Fair enough, my point was about how the argument deforms and escalates. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #152
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #155
exactly. I can't help but notice that at the end of the day ucrdem Aug 2013 #18
I concur that Prez O BlueMTexpat Aug 2013 #19
Well, he is a drone-war monger. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #20
No, he's not a murderous warmonger, but the MIC has a gun directly pointed at his head... RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #21
I'm in denial according to you... Agschmid Aug 2013 #25
that photo heaven05 Aug 2013 #27
woo Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #31
Didn't he know this before he chose to go for the job? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #34
No, since he repeatedly stated "Yes we can" over a series of promises Amonester Aug 2013 #50
That's an ironic statement, right? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #52
Many refuse to face such horrible reality. Amonester Aug 2013 #68
Most people imagine themselves in a given situation... JackRiddler Aug 2013 #73
You mean, the ODS obsessed here would believe BHO is, and always has been Amonester Aug 2013 #83
What's ODS? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #105
It's a recycled Charles Krauthammer insult QC Aug 2013 #129
He did. If you read his Audacity of Hope book TBF Aug 2013 #78
Are you kidding me? treestar Aug 2013 #99
Well I agree with you zeemike Aug 2013 #42
Yeah, I knew I would catch hell for it. RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #59
i don't know. the MIC is like the Mafia Doctor_J Aug 2013 #66
That's probably closer to the truth than any of us would like to think - TBF Aug 2013 #76
Oh please FFS treestar Aug 2013 #98
Oh please Free Fred Schneider? RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #115
Oh BULLSHIT nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #124
Ah! That explains it! RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #127
Here's an idea: HE NEVER HAD THE BELIEFS YOU THINK HE HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #128
Well, having read both Dreams of My Father... RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #133
I can summarize his beliefs for you in one sentence. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #135
OK. Well, alrighty then... RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #136
Who made us the world police? L0oniX Aug 2013 #24
The failure of anyone else being the world police. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2013 #45
Yes, we were forced into building an empire truebluegreen Aug 2013 #65
Nobody else "stepped up" either. jeff47 Aug 2013 #67
Poor us. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #70
The question is, why do you think we should have "world police"? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #160
Or rather, for the one-percenter's never-ending enrichment Amonester Aug 2013 #71
Of course, truebluegreen Aug 2013 #72
That's a laugher. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #75
Yeah, it's not like there was some sort of "Union" composed of Soviets. jeff47 Aug 2013 #87
"France and the UK were supposed to handle bombing Libya." JackRiddler Aug 2013 #103
So who is forcing anyone to be the world police? L0oniX Aug 2013 #100
More likely the MIC sees profits in it. Cant afford to be world's police and save Social Security. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #161
Link? Fuddnik Aug 2013 #26
Money? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #139
Denying the influence of the banks and MIC is absurd. woo me with science Aug 2013 #32
^ Truth ^ Caretha Aug 2013 #116
What is the administration's policy on banking? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #33
O was SO good at serving Wall Street/MIC that they let him have second term. Divernan Aug 2013 #91
He sure has made a 180 since.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #35
Either bought, or "threatened" just enough (in subtle "ways") to toe the line Amonester Aug 2013 #64
Why discuss motives at all? OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #37
"Men are not judged by their words......but by their actions." Frederick II Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #56
Because policies are justified and excused by supposedly superior motives and character. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #134
By their fruits ye shall know them. jsr Aug 2013 #39
Anyone who lives on the grid is a tool of the banks and feels the heel when it is applied. gordianot Aug 2013 #44
Hi, Larry Summers here, and I agree completely...except war in Syria is ok. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #49
LOL! bvar22 Aug 2013 #138
Can't we just run in circles screaming ... ?? JoePhilly Aug 2013 #53
It's funny because it's true! Just Saying Aug 2013 #95
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #54
I don't think he has some nefarious intent. I think he's blinded by good intentions. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #60
"President Obama is NOT a tool of the banks/MIC" ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #80
Bob Boudelang lives! Divernan Aug 2013 #92
did he? his fort worth speech that morning was a wet kiss to mic markiv Aug 2013 #117
Amen to that! Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2013 #82
"The situations are not identical (or remotely close)" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #93
It would be nice if more discussions here followed that same principle. Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2013 #108
Accountability SHRED Aug 2013 #89
Bullshit. From failing to prosecute Bush war crimes & banksters, to mandatory crapsurance, attacking grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #101
Will you be voting for any candidate he endorses? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #102
Yes, I'm a Democrat:) hopefully it won't be yet another neo-con tool of the war machine. grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #106
Well, if it is, it will be your neo-con war machine Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #112
No, because his job is to REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, not make crap grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #119
But you have been saying the whole time that it doesn't matter what evils are perpetrated Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #122
Let me clarify. If he endorses satan, I will not vote for satan. grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #123
How convenient. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #126
In primaries? zipplewrath Aug 2013 #111
Presidents don't normally endorse in primaries. grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #120
This one does zipplewrath Aug 2013 #121
"they were pushing for Iran, before that, North Korea" geek tragedy Aug 2013 #141
He's just been pushing for war, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Afghanistan, whatever. And if you grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #162
Obama is NOT a tool of the banks! markiv Aug 2013 #113
Sorry, but no. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #118
I do agree it's unfair that he is subject AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #132
the attacks on him on DU are very much like the ones i see from right wingers JI7 Aug 2013 #147
Well, he is a tool of the banks. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #137
K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #145
Because some get off on the conspiracy Theories, it's exciting to them, they love to be outraged JI7 Aug 2013 #146
Agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #153
It depends how you define a tool. ozone_man Aug 2013 #156
I agree with the OP, but rushing to war would change many DEMS view... RiverStone Aug 2013 #157
I've personally found CthulhusEvilCousin Aug 2013 #158
He's a big tool for both. donheld Aug 2013 #159
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