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(56,582 posts) Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:37 AM Aug 2013

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So here's where I'm the unpopular dove [View all]

However horrifying it is, whatever you saw:

Will US military action make things better or worse?

If you can't answer that with some certainty, no matter how horrifying what you saw was, that's not an answer.

I was a Marine for 10 years. I did this for a living. I understand. I saw shit I can't erase, and you are too right now.

But if you can't think of an obtainable military objective, anger itself doesn't do anything.

Give us a hill to take, we'll take it. But just say "make things better", well, we're largely as clueless as you on how to do that.

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So here's where I'm the unpopular dove [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

This is a well thought out point el_bryanto Aug 2013 #1

It's a VERY well thought out point! calimary Aug 2013 #68

I just wonder how killing more Syrians is going to stop them from killing Syrians liberal N proud Aug 2013 #2

Questions like yours need to be ask more often. RC Aug 2013 #7

I agree. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #28

Ike warned us DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #53

MLK told us: thecrow Aug 2013 #64

Exactly. calimary Aug 2013 #69

You aren't alone. Brigid Aug 2013 #3

Worse. joshcryer Aug 2013 #4

Will give my objectives as I have elsewhere The Straight Story Aug 2013 #5

We can degrade the Syrian air force Recursion Aug 2013 #6

If we want to degrade it we can have Miley Cyrus twerk their air force The Straight Story Aug 2013 #8

And there it sits, your level of thoughtfulness and respect. A thread about horrific things and of Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #18

+1 nt Javaman Aug 2013 #48

+ 2 n/t marew Aug 2013 #59

Look at what some of the US military leadership thinks about that BainsBane Aug 2013 #9

I had seen that earlier, and the guy on the second page I think said it best The Straight Story Aug 2013 #12

I agree there is no good solution BainsBane Aug 2013 #26

This iis not adout a petty dictator kmlisle Aug 2013 #45

60 cents of every dollar does not go to the defense budget. 7962 Aug 2013 #78

Doubts are a very good thing bhikkhu Aug 2013 #13

None of those points to US involvement 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #34

You may say it is not the responsibility of the US, my take is The Straight Story Aug 2013 #35

They work for me as well 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #41

My son served in Iraq as well The Straight Story Aug 2013 #42

Will it stop at Air Strikes? 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #49

Is chemical weapons your tripping point? Is is ok to stand by and watch a government rhett o rick Aug 2013 #66

Ok, I'll reply. Cheviteau Aug 2013 #73

Sir... 99Forever Aug 2013 #10

In a nutshell, that's what is happening here BlueStreak Aug 2013 #33

K&R G_j Aug 2013 #11

K&R pinboy3niner Aug 2013 #14

excellent point, thank you nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #15

You're not alone a la izquierda Aug 2013 #16

You aren't unpopular n2doc Aug 2013 #17

Well that is how you bum rush the show. zeemike Aug 2013 #21

Even Fox News shows the huge majority being against attacking. 7962 Aug 2013 #79

a bracing dose of common sense. thanks. cali Aug 2013 #19

Your position is with the majority, the informed majority. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #20

I absolutely agree with you A Little Weird Aug 2013 #22

with you there, well thought out and presented. Semper Fi sir. nt littlewolf Aug 2013 #23

Agree beemer27 Aug 2013 #24

Much better that we support refugee camps -- THAT saves lives mainer Aug 2013 #25

If we really want to do some good over there, we'll do that. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #31

YES. (n/t) klook Aug 2013 #76

k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #27

I'll be unpopular with you. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #29

We dont need to become involved with their civil war Cryptoad Aug 2013 #30

Perhaps we could devote our efforts Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #32

And a plan for protecting the Christian/Alawite/Kurdish and other minority populations MNBrewer Aug 2013 #37

Agreed...my major objection here is that a policy of intervention doesn't promise any results alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #36

I don't trust my government.I wouldn't put it past those in power Oldenuff Aug 2013 #38

Great post! lark Aug 2013 #39

Do not worry about being unpopular Scalded Nun Aug 2013 #40

Thank you get the red out Aug 2013 #43

Thank you for this.... peace13 Aug 2013 #44

You're a patriot. Eddie Haskell Aug 2013 #46

That is hard to say treestar Aug 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Ocelot Aug 2013 #50

You're actually in the majority Ocelot Aug 2013 #51

Well said, Marine DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #52

Agreed! n/t marew Aug 2013 #60

Hardly makes you unpopular here n/t michigandem58 Aug 2013 #54

Doves ROCK! kpete Aug 2013 #55

That is the problem I have with all of this Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #56

No clear Military Objective = No Exit Strategy = Quagmire bvar22 Aug 2013 #57

I suspect the REAL Enthusiast Aug 2013 #58

War never makes things better. Even when they say it will. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #61

I stand with you! gopiscrap Aug 2013 #62

It'll work out as well as "hope" and "change" worked out. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #63

I thought the plan was to keep killing people until they love us. tclambert Aug 2013 #65

I agree. I believe our interference will only make things worse. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #67

I have been to Auschwitz, JimboBillyBubbaBob Aug 2013 #70

+10e10 Sand Wind Aug 2013 #71

You are not a lonely dove and neither am I. nt TeamPooka Aug 2013 #72

The MIC wardogs don't give a damn about precise military objectives workinclasszero Aug 2013 #74

+1 toby jo Aug 2013 #77

I'm with you. klook Aug 2013 #75