The PNAC may no longer exist as a formal organization (above ground, that is), (Reply #54)

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Response to Ztolkins (Reply #41)

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 08:20 PM

scarletwoman (31,893 posts)

54. The PNAC may no longer exist as a formal organization (above ground, that is),

but their plans live on in those disposed to that particular world view.

As for Saudi Arabia, it's been reported for some time that they are funding at least certain factions of the "rebels", and it was just reported in the last day or so that SA have offered to pay all the costs of a U.S. military strike on Syria. Sorry I don't have a link handy, but it's been posted several times on DU over this weekend.

It's also no secret that SA is worried about Iran obtaining nuclear weapons - this has been a long-standing theme of several year's standing.

Along with the Sunni (SA)/Shia (Iran) thing, the relationship between SA and Iran is not disimilar to the relationship between the U.S. and the Soviet Union during the early beginnings of the Cold War. SA wants to make sure Iran doesn't get nukes, because SA wants to remain the dominant power in the region.

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123 replies	Author	Time	Post
Please understand, any U.S. military action in Syria means that we're being dragged into a proxy war [View all]	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	OP
Sounds about right.	dipsydoodle	Sep 2013	#1
Thank you.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#6
except for the part where the CIC is Obama, not Bush	pasto76	Sep 2013	#56
"Actions have ends." Maybe you forgot that 2 years ago, in 2011, Obama began saying "Assad must go"?	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#61
+ 100 nt	Mojorabbit	Sep 2013	#70
Now there is the nitty gritty of the situation	JEB	Sep 2013	#93
+1000	Fantastic Anarchist	Sep 2013	#111
Thank you...	Rockyj	Sep 2013	#119
Okay, time for a reality check	Scootaloo	Sep 2013	#79
+1	dionysus	Sep 2013	#107
K&R	NuclearDem	Sep 2013	#2
Thanks.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#7
Yup. That's exactly how I see it.	Jackpine Radical	Sep 2013	#3
There's obviously some weird stuff with Russia going on as well,	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#9
The more I learn about this,	Jeff Murdoch	Sep 2013	#52
I believe you summed it up pretty well.	Uncle Joe	Sep 2013	#4
Thank you. Your support means a lot to me.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#12
Peace to you, scarletwoman.	Uncle Joe	Sep 2013	#17
Exactly	Aerows	Sep 2013	#5
Thanks. After our last exchange I decided it was time to come out with an OP.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#14
We are most fiercely up against it	Aerows	Sep 2013	#15
Like Zappa said--	Jackpine Radical	Sep 2013	#29
One of my favorite quotes - and now it's in this thread twice! (see post #30)	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#34
An outright win by the Sunni Jihadists in Syria would be dangerous to Israel.	FarCenter	Sep 2013	#8
Well, Israel has the nuke card - maybe they figure that gives them some leverage with the Saudis.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#10
Israel is the ultimate target, and the Islamists will work at it until Israel is removed.	FarCenter	Sep 2013	#16
The Saudis are just fine with Israel. Israel gives them added leverage with the U.S.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#18
There is talk of a back channel pact between SA and Israel.	roamer65	Sep 2013	#42
I'm bothering to argue	Aerows	Sep 2013	#11
Only a monster would use either on human beings.	another_liberal	Sep 2013	#24
Nor do I	Aerows	Sep 2013	#26
Willie Peter, napalm, DU--all tools of the trade in our benevolent military.	Jackpine Radical	Sep 2013	#31
And I am still losing friends to Orange n/t	Link Speed	Sep 2013	#33
Dont leave out land mines and cluster bombs. nm	rhett o rick	Sep 2013	#74
Armies don't tend to clean up after themselves.	another_liberal	Sep 2013	#87
And Depleted Uranium. nm	rhett o rick	Sep 2013	#75
Also true.	another_liberal	Sep 2013	#85
Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.	robinlynne	Sep 2013	#27
Voltaire nt	Electric Monk	Sep 2013	#49
ohhh.	robinlynne	Sep 2013	#60
K&R I think we need to spread the word	felix_numinous	Sep 2013	#13
"...please try to convince young people not to fight." Amen.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#19
It was read by Commandant David M. Shoup who left after JFK's assignation and refused to be	AnotherMcIntosh	Sep 2013	#43
I did not know this! Thank you so much for this information!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#55
It's good to see your interest. It may be worthwhile to borrow a book from your library system,	AnotherMcIntosh	Sep 2013	#58
K & R !!!	WillyT	Sep 2013	#20
Thank you!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#22
indeed.	nashville_brook	Sep 2013	#21
Hi nb!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#35
:)	nashville_brook	Sep 2013	#99
And while we fight this war	Mr.Bill	Sep 2013	#23
Oh yes. The House of Saud has hypocrisy down to a fine art. (nt)	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#25
Probably with those decadent Kuwaiti douches - nt9	HardTimes99	Sep 2013	#47
True, I believe that also.	Autumn	Sep 2013	#28
Thanks for the kick and the rec! It just seems very obvious, doesn't it?	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#36
Reality will reach out and slap you in the face.	Autumn	Sep 2013	#46
It's all that......	DeSwiss	Sep 2013	#30
Excellent post! Thank you!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#38
Yes excellent post. And sometimes I fear that	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#80
It is our choice how this works out.	DeSwiss	Sep 2013	#109
All of those are excellent to consider. The last bit	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#120
I know it seems hard.	DeSwiss	Sep 2013	#121
Thanks for that advice.	truedelphi	Sep 2013	#122
K&R.	MotherPetrie	Sep 2013	#32
Thank you. Glad to see you.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#39
Yes. A proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.	roamer65	Sep 2013	#37
It's about power and control in the Ummah. And money, of course. (nt)	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#40
You may be right about PNAC...	Ztolkins	Sep 2013	#41
The PNAC may no longer exist as a formal organization (above ground, that is),	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#54
Iran could have an atomic bomb by mid-2014, according to David Albright, former UN weapons inspector	DhhD	Sep 2013	#97
The Islamic leadership of Saudi Arabia will be behind our troops. Far behind.	AnotherMcIntosh	Sep 2013	#44
+ Infinity! - nt	HardTimes99	Sep 2013	#48
TPTB are gonna help protect their buds' interests	indepat	Sep 2013	#45
WoW Good Punditry	otohara	Sep 2013	#50
Pundits warned us from entering proxy wars?	Democracyinkind	Sep 2013	#83
Those would be very unusual pundits, I think.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#84
Exactly	gopiscrap	Sep 2013	#51
You have properly described one-half of the problem.	brisas2k	Sep 2013	#53
Thank you for your feedback.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#63
K & R	pangaia	Sep 2013	#57
I'm glad you found this helpful.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#62
That sums it up pretty well. n/t	Raksha	Sep 2013	#59
Thank you.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#65
k&r brief and to the point	Puzzledtraveller	Sep 2013	#64
thanks for the K&R!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#66
Take a look at this:	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#67
Thank you . . .	markpkessinger	Sep 2013	#68
I don't do facebook, so I'm very glad you posted you fb post here - great post!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#69
Clear and succinct. Thank you! n/t	Catherina	Sep 2013	#71
You're welcome! Thanks for the kick! (nt)	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#76
Oh yes. BIG K&R nt	riderinthestorm	Sep 2013	#72
Thank you!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#77
Of course we are the Saudis merc force	workinclasszero	Sep 2013	#73
Indeed! And this post illustrates it beautifully:	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#82
K&R	liberal_at_heart	Sep 2013	#78
Morning kick.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#81
Since it also will be a proxy war US/Russia once more...	Celefin	Sep 2013	#86
Yup. Surely heady stuff for the MIC!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#89
Juan Cole has a good piece about this today.	joshcryer	Sep 2013	#88
Thanks! Do you have the link handy, by any chance? (nt)	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#90
For whatever reason they want to pump the natural gas	TBF	Sep 2013	#91
Weekday am kick nt	riderinthestorm	Sep 2013	#92
Nothing matters but that pipeline. nt	silvershadow	Sep 2013	#94
Saudi Arabia is the invisible hand in nearly all of our mideast policy	markiv	Sep 2013	#95
Bush kisses Saudi Prince. What is Obama doing?	DhhD	Sep 2013	#98
I think we should stay the hell out.	MynameisBlarney	Sep 2013	#96
Thanks, but "dragged" is not the word for it.	merrily	Sep 2013	#100
Our leaders make the choice - it is the rest of us who get "dragged" along.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#118
I agree, as long as it's clear that our elected whatevers are not victims of	merrily	Sep 2013	#123
Much bigger drivers than chemical weapons.	DirkGently	Sep 2013	#101
It's not simply "Sunni" versus "Shiite" as we	BlueMTexpat	Sep 2013	#102
I think more us understand this than you think although between the media and the republicans I can	liberal_at_heart	Sep 2013	#104
I did not mean to talk down to anyone.	BlueMTexpat	Sep 2013	#105
no harm done.	liberal_at_heart	Sep 2013	#106
Very well said.	Fantastic Anarchist	Sep 2013	#115
You make some good points, and I thank you for the time & energy that went into your post.	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#116
I also think a new cost/benefit analysis has been reviewed.	reusrename	Sep 2013	#103
Spot on!	BlueJac	Sep 2013	#108
Thank you!	scarletwoman	Sep 2013	#117
What nobody ever seems to understand	Mosaic	Sep 2013	#110
More to do with oil than anything else (n/t)	Ocelot	Sep 2013	#114
Anyone who supports attacking Syria needs to ENLIST NOW	Ocelot	Sep 2013	#112
YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK	blkmusclmachine	Sep 2013	#113

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