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DirkGently

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42. Painful seeing the "Thank the Lord for Obama's TOTAL POLITICAL VICTORY"

Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:17 PM

Sep 2013

screeds popping up everywhere. One was so painfully worded I could feel that jaw-clenched, wild-eyed fervor right through the screen.

The best index of rationality continues to be that nothing is all about Obama or anyone else.

It wasn't him alone embarking on the hideous task of trying to convince America once again that we can kill our way to a micro-managed Middle East, and it wasn't him alone backpeddling from unilateral action to Congressional approval to a Russian-brokered negotiation.

Let's be clear: Getting slapped down by Congress and the American people on a war proposal leaves a mark.

But getting out of that political killbox with a deftly timed compromise IS a victory, should it actually come to pass.

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Magical thinking [View all] WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP

More ProSense Sep 2013 #1

Maybe in 24 business hours? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #20

God, that was uncanny. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #59

Uncanny, indeed. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #80

For god sakes, it's a think tank, not a person, IMHO. Instant reponse by personas, yada yada grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #102

sssshhh..... we're not supposed to talk about that. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #123

Yeah, but we can notice...and take it into account, Raksha Sep 2013 #159

Take a look at the daily post count for NAME REDACTED Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #239

If you break down 250 posts per day, and you figure that grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #266

Surely you're not referring to the poster(s) who are here a minimum of 12 hours a day? dflprincess Sep 2013 #232

As if it were their job, LOL. Yes;) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #267

Haters always imagine yourself important enough for people to waste money replying to their hate ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #312

HAHAHA "haters". Name calling. Typical right wing think tank double speak, sorry, but you make me grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #313

ProSense is quite smart, yes. ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #103

Devastating? Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #108

People with whom you do not agree are "bigots," "haters," and "teabaggers." Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #158

where is that "devastating response" 'cause I haven't seen it azurnoir Sep 2013 #166

Good Lord! you do know that we Americans - and we Democrats opposed the bombing all along Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #172

"Reality Based" = "What Transnational Corporations Find Acceptable" HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #249

Hahaha.... devastating response??? cui bono Sep 2013 #275

One minute! That explains the lack of links. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2013 #186

How could someone do that? Eko Sep 2013 #242

must be magic. Eko Sep 2013 #243

And how can this be? CANDO Sep 2013 #291

muab dib. Eko Sep 2013 #315

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #202

Broken clock lark Sep 2013 #140

That is just really so amazingly awesomely funny... RevStPatrick Sep 2013 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Eko Sep 2013 #245

Too fucking funny! Thanks! madinmaryland Sep 2013 #244

Reply back to me with what time I posted this Eko Sep 2013 #246

anyone tell me what time I posted this. Eko Sep 2013 #247

More AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #254

Dear ProSense... tex-wyo-dem Sep 2013 #257

Hilarious post. And WP did not even thank you for proving his point! How remiss of him. merrily Sep 2013 #278

hero-worshipper-in-chief doth protest too much bobduca Sep 2013 #289

Must have hit a nerve. L0oniX Sep 2013 #303

France has volunteered to be the heavy.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #2

maybe ... it was all that you criticize to a point, that made others realize how seriously obama seabeyond Sep 2013 #3

Exactly alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #13

that is how i saw it played. and when it all first started people said, why let them know what you seabeyond Sep 2013 #16

If he and the US, and western powers in general really didn't like chemical weapons-- eridani Sep 2013 #23

sigh... k. done with these conversations. i do not talk politics anymore. seabeyond Sep 2013 #32

Balance is NEVER the aspiration FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #89

THANK YOU. nt sibelian Sep 2013 #104

when there are people with agenda, balance and truth fly out the window. that is what i seabeyond Sep 2013 #114

If there's "no way either side can clamin any truth" why should they keep talking? FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #127

they are talking. you and i are not included in the discussion. do you really think any of us seabeyond Sep 2013 #128

Thank you!!! Raksha Sep 2013 #147

It always says, "this is true; that is not." AlbertCat Sep 2013 #231

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #154

That would make too much sense! CANDO Sep 2013 #292

the people that died as a result of chemical weapons seem pretty much forgotten azurnoir Sep 2013 #168

really? ... fuck this shit. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #175

well wasn't that the first thing we were told? azurnoir Sep 2013 #179

see, these comments even sound like a petulant child. your post does not even make sense. seabeyond Sep 2013 #180

oh you know that then it must make some sense to you too azurnoir Sep 2013 #183

i find the name calling pathetic. so? it is like people on here are DEMANDING that obama stands seabeyond Sep 2013 #187

exactly what "name calling" quote it back to me please azurnoir Sep 2013 #190

obama worship. it is like all the other name calling we do to someone in another position. it is seabeyond Sep 2013 #196

First I said and I quote azurnoir Sep 2013 #208

ok. labeling people "hero worshipping". geez. again. really? and i forgot about calling people seabeyond Sep 2013 #209

I'm not the one "dismissing" and I will repeat it again azurnoir Sep 2013 #211

when labeling someone in this manner, you have stopped listening. have an inability to hear. yes. seabeyond Sep 2013 #282

I pointed out my opinion I singled out no one nor name called anyone azurnoir Sep 2013 #305

Thanks, seabeyond Nitram Sep 2013 #280

Apparently Obama's not allowed to be human... polichick Sep 2013 #4

That's all I care about, the avoidance of more war, of more blood on OUR hands Dragonfli Sep 2013 #143

And those more focused on Syria matters may have a different view blm Sep 2013 #5

Blm, thanks for the post and the link. *steals link* freshwest Sep 2013 #201

If you didn't want your balls in this particular vise, you should not have dangled them there BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #6

+100 Seems pretty basic to me! avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #19

Thread killer, I mean winner... Number23 Sep 2013 #74

OMG ... that is absolutely the best response to this. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #79

... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #88

lol! I get it now. It's not Obama's balls you are talking about... Whisp Sep 2013 #129

The funniest part is the 300+ recs michigandem58 Sep 2013 #205

I think our host has left us to talk amongst ourselves. Whisp Sep 2013 #215

wub wub wub orenbus Sep 2013 #306

Outside of DU, a few friendly blogs and media believe that LittleBlue Sep 2013 #7

Oh really? I wasn't in the BOG.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #77

Have you forgotten the lessons of April 7th? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #174

Logged in just to k&r this Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #8

When it comes to diplomacy, achieving your objective means victory. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #9

Yes. And the USA and Russia have been talking about if for a year. Yet some claim no planning? freshwest Sep 2013 #200

Of course, it will be a diplomatic victory for PBO and Kerry.. I hope it happens! Cha Sep 2013 #230

"Credit?" - aka: "Surrounded by Police, The Bank Robber 'did the right thing' and Put Down The Gun." HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #258

Face it; you were wrong philosslayer Sep 2013 #10

This. And Will can never reconcile in his mind that he might've been wrong. scheming daemons Sep 2013 #15

I had to put him on ignore on FB, shocked even me. tridim Sep 2013 #308

The Hair-on-Fire Brigade was manipulated more deftly than anyone else, except maybe R's in Congress alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #17

I think they are all bald by now. No hair left for the next Obama caused Apocalyse. n/t Whisp Sep 2013 #21

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #30

But it was so cool and hip while it lasted: freshwest Sep 2013 #207

Absolutely, a master plan...to let Russia once again take the moral high ground. It's brilliant! Starfury Sep 2013 #64

what "high moral ground"? philosslayer Sep 2013 #70

As a random example, you seen CNN's headlines lately? Starfury Sep 2013 #91

+100 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #98

HAHAHA philosslayer Sep 2013 #99

Your position requires a rigidity in the political landscape that is totally imaginary. sibelian Sep 2013 #264

Check Mate! CANDO Sep 2013 #296

Ha! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #72

Obama Doesn't Give A Shit How You Spin This, How It May Appear or His Public Standing in the Polls Skraxx Sep 2013 #96

Results matter in the real world, not the latest bonfire of the vanities. freshwest Sep 2013 #213

Up next: Obama's telling his volunteer base to go home in 2008 beerandjesus Sep 2013 #100

Well said. freshwest Sep 2013 #204

Psst, he should've offered cupcakes and gas masks. joshcryer Sep 2013 #235

Will, when you've been reduced to quoting Torygraph hyperbole your point isn't as well made msanthrope Sep 2013 #11

It's delusional...knr joeybee12 Sep 2013 #12

The only 'master plans' come from this guy's world. randome Sep 2013 #14

The Increasingly Orwellian flavor of public discourse is creepy and pathetic. woo me with science Sep 2013 #18

Blah, blah, Orwellian, blah, blah. phleshdef Sep 2013 #22

You forgot "Stasi!" nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #28

Well that certainly showed him. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #53

I think he hurt some feelings with that one! Rex Sep 2013 #142

It is with the GREATEST pleasure that I co-sign every word of your post, especially the expletives Number23 Sep 2013 #87

Goodbye, Number23 sibelian Sep 2013 #106

Bye, whoever you are! Number23 Sep 2013 #112

I just got the same meassage Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #134

Ciao baby snagglepuss Sep 2013 #198

Now yours is a name I DO vaguely remember and considering the racial quality of your posts Number23 Sep 2013 #288

Aren't they pesky little posters? Rex Sep 2013 #144

Rex, why you feel compelled to frequently talk AROUND me while trying so hard to pretend that you Number23 Sep 2013 #290

YEAH THOSE WORDS ARE ALL SO PLAYED OUT, GET NEW LESS ACCURATE ONES bobduca Sep 2013 #294

++++! haikugal Sep 2013 #27

^This Hydra Sep 2013 #38

They're changing stories and lying at warp speed. jsr Sep 2013 #110

Yes, very much so. sibelian Sep 2013 #111

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #206

You're just saying that because you hate Obama mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #24

Oh, God. Ever since 'Into Darkness', my daughters have latched onto TOS. randome Sep 2013 #37

just keep thinking of tribbles, dude mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #41

Just keep repeating this: NuclearDem Sep 2013 #62

not only did he make the russians blink warrior1 Sep 2013 #25

+1, based off passed actions and not blind allegiance but some hate him so it doesn't make a diff uponit7771 Sep 2013 #35

They had to change plans because they really had no support Cleita Sep 2013 #26

The Libyan Civil War Was Started Under Bush, Obama Just Continued That Policy HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #262

He's playing 11-dimensional chess!!1! meegbear Sep 2013 #29

Seems to me that this incident is analogous to the Cuban Missile Crisis. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #31

I don't find it so. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #57

My analogy is not focused on PR, but simply on the *mechanisms* (underline, italicize) of communicat LanternWaste Sep 2013 #90

We all just need to remember that we're playing for the same team, Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #33

Wow - your reply title line just speaks VOLUMES, Baitball Blogger. calimary Sep 2013 #58

I have my moments. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #73

A lecture from William Pitt on magical thinking. sufrommich Sep 2013 #34

lolololol. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #75

I'm not afflicted with hero worship lyonn Sep 2013 #36

very well said. Thank you. Whisp Sep 2013 #46

I needed your shoutout!! lyonn Sep 2013 #65

Thank you for your reasoned remarks. Skidmore Sep 2013 #118

Well-said. The "hero worship" namecall is wrong and unnecessary CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #55

Thanks Grrl lyonn Sep 2013 #68

THIS.^^^^ calimary Sep 2013 #86

That was the silliest part of the comment SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #124

Excellent rant. freshwest Sep 2013 #214

but, but, but: he's smarter than EVERYONE noiretextatique Sep 2013 #39

Walk it back snooper2 Sep 2013 #40

Painful seeing the "Thank the Lord for Obama's TOTAL POLITICAL VICTORY" DirkGently Sep 2013 #42

Your assessment is spot on. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #51

It isn't worth getting upset about n2doc Sep 2013 #43

+1... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #83

The altar must be lit jsr Sep 2013 #115

And + another 1 2naSalit Sep 2013 #119

Rec'd, but I disagree on one point. xfundy Sep 2013 #44

Personality cult, and it is very dangerous to any working democracy nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #45

Just starting? woo me with science Sep 2013 #49

Yup. but at times you need to say things nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #52

Trust in your President equates to a personality cult? philosslayer Sep 2013 #63

See, he has not been proven right time and time again nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #67

Syria is well on its way to be being disarmed of its chemical stockpile?! frylock Sep 2013 #93

No, it isn't luck. sibelian Sep 2013 #109

Putin and Palin, DU's new heroes. Whisp Sep 2013 #135

... sibelian Sep 2013 #162

ok Whisp Sep 2013 #167

You don't seem to have a response. nt. sibelian Sep 2013 #265

"Syria is well on its way to be being disarmed of its chemical stockpile"? WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #228

lol. Whisp Sep 2013 #47

Thank you for helping distinguish truth from fiction in this Syrian bomb/not-bomb episode. 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #48

Maybe you weren't paying enough attention to what the other hand was doing while the one hand KittyWampus Sep 2013 #50

Elvis' guitar has been discovered on the MOON...Prove that statement is wrong. Tikki Sep 2013 #54

Your hair is on fire Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #56

It didn't work out the way I expected, but... Blanks Sep 2013 #60

I Agree With Your "Or Else" - In That the Anti-War Anti-Corporatist Dems Need To Say "Or Else" HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #269

"They got it wrong. Then they got it right." Iggo Sep 2013 #61

Apology accepted. Robb Sep 2013 #66

rec. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #69

they still don't have it right bigtree Sep 2013 #71

You aren't a racist ... you're over complicating things. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #85

He was bluffing unless he was prepared to be a war criminal. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #101

'War criminal'??? WTF? ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #195

Have you been living under a rock? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #210

No, I haven't been living under a rock. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #220

do your own research, it's easy. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #229

The initial burden of proof rests on the one making the assertion-- Debating 101. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #307

I'm overwhelmed. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #309

I wasn't playing. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #314

If a deal was not reached he was going to strike, it was not a bluff. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #237

Way to miss the point. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #255

evil motives? That's a judgment I haven't made. Committed to military strikes, no matter what bigtree Sep 2013 #233

Your first sentence has the evil plan right in it. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #238

your characterization, not mine bigtree Sep 2013 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #76

K&R n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #78

The game is called poker...and you have to be willing to follow through... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #81

Frankly, I think the criticism on this has been nitpicking. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #82

Any argument about yesterday's developments on Syria is futile if it's premised on: ProSense Sep 2013 #84

But what about the hundreds of Syrian children that we're told Assad gassed azurnoir Sep 2013 #132

Right, Cuz No One Ever Heard Of Using a Credible Threat of Force to Achieve Diplomatic Ends Before? Skraxx Sep 2013 #92

No, they never presented the carrot, only lobbied like rabid dogs of war for the stick. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #105

Wow, the fact that this diplomacy was EFFECTIVE and military strikes were AVOIDED really bothers you Skraxx Sep 2013 #107

This fallacy is so common there's actually a name for it beerandjesus Sep 2013 #116

LOL! Ahh Yes, Assad's Giving up His CW's Out of the Goodness of his Heart! Skraxx Sep 2013 #133

That one has a name too beerandjesus Sep 2013 #137

Your condition has a name Skraxx Sep 2013 #141

Nope. It's called 'disappointment'. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #145

You're disappointed there's no bombing? Skraxx Sep 2013 #152

Yep, you figured me out. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #156

Don't feed the trolls. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #170

Ha, I did step into that one, didn't I? beerandjesus Sep 2013 #295

Plonk them SOB's bobduca Sep 2013 #297

Some people have got a lot invested in certain things, so no, they can't give in. freshwest Sep 2013 #222

This One Seems Like An Operation Mind Crime Type Post! bobduca Sep 2013 #298

The Russians are very skilled in diplomacy, chess, and brinksmanship. Flaxbee Sep 2013 #94

I don't see this as absurd at all. They did what I would have done. Zorra Sep 2013 #95

I guess that blows the "9-Dimensional Chess" theory all to hell and gone. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #97

Yeah, but it REAFFIRMS the 11-dimensional chess theory!! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #299

"Up and at 'em kids! We're here!" lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #113

HA! Nice selection. nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #219

exactly Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #117

I think some people here miss the Bush years IronLionZion Sep 2013 #120

Bah hah and chuckle. We all saw the same show, the difference is SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #121

"Your need to constantly call the president 'Mr. Obama' is telling." WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #125

No, the cake is yet to come..... beerandjesus Sep 2013 #131

1. What do I win? and 2. It's pretty sad that's your SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #138

Catch a clue, here's a free one! bobduca Sep 2013 #248

Mr. President is not Mr. Obama SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #259

I'm just glad Kerry gaffed Sky Masterson Sep 2013 #122

double entendre Whisp Sep 2013 #126

The gloaters think we forget that they were PRO-WAR. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #130

Umm, I Was Pro-Effective, Hard Nosed Diplomacy Backed Up by Credible Threats of Force Skraxx Sep 2013 #136

Step 2: Magical thinking at its finest. No other force or work was necessary. Don't ruin the magic. freshwest Sep 2013 #225

Like Gadaffi Gave Up His Without Missile Threats? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #270

beerandjesus, they are not pro-war per se Skittles Sep 2013 #149

Whatever gets you through the night n/t michigandem58 Sep 2013 #139

K&R. Rex Sep 2013 #146

I put those nitwits on Ignore Skittles Sep 2013 #148

NOT EVEN WORTH AN ASSKICKING ANYMORE. Rex Sep 2013 #160

correct Skittles Sep 2013 #181

He would notice right away Rex Sep 2013 #182

he sees it daily from the repukes he deals with Skittles Sep 2013 #191

And THEY, the GOPukers DO Rex Sep 2013 #193

well said. unfortunately we still see the usual handful of fringe Democrats representing their Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #150

That's an interesting comparison.... MNBrewer Sep 2013 #155

Yep. I just got accused of being pro-bombing beerandjesus Sep 2013 #157

This...^ TommyCelt Sep 2013 #151

Putin has magical *nipples* n/t Tveil Sep 2013 #161

I never thought you were an 'obama hater'.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #163

Yugoslavia? Yes, Too Bad The USA STARTED That War Just Like In Syria HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #271

Where's Willie? Whisp Sep 2013 #164

When I lived in DC we referred to this as damage control. TBF Sep 2013 #165

Excellently said. blackspade Sep 2013 #169

When Mitch said he was against military intervention, I just knew we were on the efhmc Sep 2013 #171

Nice post. The sneering reaction of the "Friends of Obama" is embarrassing. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #173

I don't think you are going to get an invite to the BOG Christmas party this year Marrah_G Sep 2013 #176

I think GWBush created a national PTSD felix_numinous Sep 2013 #177

thank you DU for enforcing civility. this post surely deserved to be hidden Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #178

Um...what? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #184

no. just keeping your magical thinking post kicked Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #185

Consider yourself disciplined. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #192

If only it were mescaline... Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #188

I'm glad. because being entertained should be about 50% of the reason we come here Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #189

this is way better than some cable reality show. Whisp Sep 2013 #236

Posts hidden by Jury: 13 Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #240

My slightly different interpretation of events cprise Sep 2013 #194

^ THIS ^ mac56 Sep 2013 #197

Yup. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #199

Watching this train wreck of people bound and determined to see Obama as some kind of Brilliant... Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #203

Best Summary Yet. Thanks For That HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #272

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #311

They have to think Obama is playing chess, just being lucky does not suit them. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #212

Yet another blunder by the OP gulliver Sep 2013 #216

We are well practiced at the art of stumbling into war randr Sep 2013 #217

K&R NealK Sep 2013 #218

Thank you! n/t Triana Sep 2013 #221

what we have here is a failure to communicate stupidicus Sep 2013 #223

Olive branch back atcha, Will. Hekate Sep 2013 #224

logged on just to rec this and another post 2banon Sep 2013 #226

Totally agree. paulbibeau Sep 2013 #227

I love the way your posts bring out the kneepad rah rah crowd RetroLounge Sep 2013 #234

no master plan here... Obama has clearly just bumbled his way through this paulkienitz Sep 2013 #250

Seems to me that you're the magical thinker... TekGryphon Sep 2013 #251

Playing against the establishment is always a winner on DU. Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #256

I personally don't give a sh*t what Pitt and other critics "would have" done.. TekGryphon Sep 2013 #261

Hard to disagree with your observations. Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #263

AWESOME post. Number23 Sep 2013 #304

Stumbling to success... nikto Sep 2013 #252

Will, what's your solution? Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #253

As the United States isn't sufficiently well trusted in the region to act as broker sibelian Sep 2013 #310

This message was self-deleted by its author Whisp Sep 2013 #260

Agreed MFrohike Sep 2013 #268

I would actually agree with this assessment Skittles Sep 2013 #276

K&R emsimon33 Sep 2013 #273

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #274

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I think the "First Law of Holes" is probably a fair assessment. DFW Sep 2013 #279

Dear Mr. Pitt, you are especially talented with your way with words. Ninga Sep 2013 #281

Why? Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #285

Well journalism with a heavy dose Ninga Sep 2013 #287

"the team-sports thing in politics is always awesome" Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #293

This message was self-deleted by its author free0352 Sep 2013 #283

Hear hear! The n-th dimensional chess stuff sounds more like Pee Wee Herman... JHB Sep 2013 #284

Putin says he, Obama discussed control over Syrian chemical arms ProSense Sep 2013 #286

One more post and reality will shift to match your spin! bobduca Sep 2013 #300

Hate to break it to you: ProSense Sep 2013 #301

No you love to break it to me bobduca Sep 2013 #302