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FiveGoodMen

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89. Balance is NEVER the aspiration

Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:14 PM

Sep 2013

Nor should it be.

Getting to the truth is what matters.

The truth is never 'balanced'. It always says, "this is true; that is not."

'Balanced' is what the mighty steno-pool of the fourth estate calls its non-reporting.

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Magical thinking [View all] WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP

More ProSense Sep 2013 #1

Maybe in 24 business hours? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #20

God, that was uncanny. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #59

Uncanny, indeed. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #80

For god sakes, it's a think tank, not a person, IMHO. Instant reponse by personas, yada yada grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #102

sssshhh..... we're not supposed to talk about that. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #123

Yeah, but we can notice...and take it into account, Raksha Sep 2013 #159

Take a look at the daily post count for NAME REDACTED Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #239

If you break down 250 posts per day, and you figure that grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #266

Surely you're not referring to the poster(s) who are here a minimum of 12 hours a day? dflprincess Sep 2013 #232

As if it were their job, LOL. Yes;) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #267

Haters always imagine yourself important enough for people to waste money replying to their hate ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #312

HAHAHA "haters". Name calling. Typical right wing think tank double speak, sorry, but you make me grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #313

ProSense is quite smart, yes. ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #103

Devastating? Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #108

People with whom you do not agree are "bigots," "haters," and "teabaggers." Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #158

where is that "devastating response" 'cause I haven't seen it azurnoir Sep 2013 #166

Good Lord! you do know that we Americans - and we Democrats opposed the bombing all along Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #172

"Reality Based" = "What Transnational Corporations Find Acceptable" HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #249

Hahaha.... devastating response??? cui bono Sep 2013 #275

One minute! That explains the lack of links. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2013 #186

How could someone do that? Eko Sep 2013 #242

must be magic. Eko Sep 2013 #243

And how can this be? CANDO Sep 2013 #291

muab dib. Eko Sep 2013 #315

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #202

Broken clock lark Sep 2013 #140

That is just really so amazingly awesomely funny... RevStPatrick Sep 2013 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Eko Sep 2013 #245

Too fucking funny! Thanks! madinmaryland Sep 2013 #244

Reply back to me with what time I posted this Eko Sep 2013 #246

anyone tell me what time I posted this. Eko Sep 2013 #247

More AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #254

Dear ProSense... tex-wyo-dem Sep 2013 #257

Hilarious post. And WP did not even thank you for proving his point! How remiss of him. merrily Sep 2013 #278

hero-worshipper-in-chief doth protest too much bobduca Sep 2013 #289

Must have hit a nerve. L0oniX Sep 2013 #303

France has volunteered to be the heavy.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #2

maybe ... it was all that you criticize to a point, that made others realize how seriously obama seabeyond Sep 2013 #3

Exactly alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #13

that is how i saw it played. and when it all first started people said, why let them know what you seabeyond Sep 2013 #16

If he and the US, and western powers in general really didn't like chemical weapons-- eridani Sep 2013 #23

sigh... k. done with these conversations. i do not talk politics anymore. seabeyond Sep 2013 #32

Balance is NEVER the aspiration FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #89

THANK YOU. nt sibelian Sep 2013 #104

when there are people with agenda, balance and truth fly out the window. that is what i seabeyond Sep 2013 #114

If there's "no way either side can clamin any truth" why should they keep talking? FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #127

they are talking. you and i are not included in the discussion. do you really think any of us seabeyond Sep 2013 #128

Thank you!!! Raksha Sep 2013 #147

It always says, "this is true; that is not." AlbertCat Sep 2013 #231

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #154

That would make too much sense! CANDO Sep 2013 #292

the people that died as a result of chemical weapons seem pretty much forgotten azurnoir Sep 2013 #168

really? ... fuck this shit. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #175

well wasn't that the first thing we were told? azurnoir Sep 2013 #179

see, these comments even sound like a petulant child. your post does not even make sense. seabeyond Sep 2013 #180

oh you know that then it must make some sense to you too azurnoir Sep 2013 #183

i find the name calling pathetic. so? it is like people on here are DEMANDING that obama stands seabeyond Sep 2013 #187

exactly what "name calling" quote it back to me please azurnoir Sep 2013 #190

obama worship. it is like all the other name calling we do to someone in another position. it is seabeyond Sep 2013 #196

First I said and I quote azurnoir Sep 2013 #208

ok. labeling people "hero worshipping". geez. again. really? and i forgot about calling people seabeyond Sep 2013 #209

I'm not the one "dismissing" and I will repeat it again azurnoir Sep 2013 #211

when labeling someone in this manner, you have stopped listening. have an inability to hear. yes. seabeyond Sep 2013 #282

I pointed out my opinion I singled out no one nor name called anyone azurnoir Sep 2013 #305

Thanks, seabeyond Nitram Sep 2013 #280

Apparently Obama's not allowed to be human... polichick Sep 2013 #4

That's all I care about, the avoidance of more war, of more blood on OUR hands Dragonfli Sep 2013 #143

And those more focused on Syria matters may have a different view blm Sep 2013 #5

Blm, thanks for the post and the link. *steals link* freshwest Sep 2013 #201

If you didn't want your balls in this particular vise, you should not have dangled them there BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #6

+100 Seems pretty basic to me! avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #19

Thread killer, I mean winner... Number23 Sep 2013 #74

OMG ... that is absolutely the best response to this. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #79

... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #88

lol! I get it now. It's not Obama's balls you are talking about... Whisp Sep 2013 #129

The funniest part is the 300+ recs michigandem58 Sep 2013 #205

I think our host has left us to talk amongst ourselves. Whisp Sep 2013 #215

wub wub wub orenbus Sep 2013 #306

Outside of DU, a few friendly blogs and media believe that LittleBlue Sep 2013 #7

Oh really? I wasn't in the BOG.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #77

Have you forgotten the lessons of April 7th? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #174

Logged in just to k&r this Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #8

When it comes to diplomacy, achieving your objective means victory. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #9

Yes. And the USA and Russia have been talking about if for a year. Yet some claim no planning? freshwest Sep 2013 #200

Of course, it will be a diplomatic victory for PBO and Kerry.. I hope it happens! Cha Sep 2013 #230

"Credit?" - aka: "Surrounded by Police, The Bank Robber 'did the right thing' and Put Down The Gun." HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #258

Face it; you were wrong philosslayer Sep 2013 #10

This. And Will can never reconcile in his mind that he might've been wrong. scheming daemons Sep 2013 #15

I had to put him on ignore on FB, shocked even me. tridim Sep 2013 #308

The Hair-on-Fire Brigade was manipulated more deftly than anyone else, except maybe R's in Congress alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #17

I think they are all bald by now. No hair left for the next Obama caused Apocalyse. n/t Whisp Sep 2013 #21

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #30

But it was so cool and hip while it lasted: freshwest Sep 2013 #207

Absolutely, a master plan...to let Russia once again take the moral high ground. It's brilliant! Starfury Sep 2013 #64

what "high moral ground"? philosslayer Sep 2013 #70

As a random example, you seen CNN's headlines lately? Starfury Sep 2013 #91

+100 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #98

HAHAHA philosslayer Sep 2013 #99

Your position requires a rigidity in the political landscape that is totally imaginary. sibelian Sep 2013 #264

Check Mate! CANDO Sep 2013 #296

Ha! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #72

Obama Doesn't Give A Shit How You Spin This, How It May Appear or His Public Standing in the Polls Skraxx Sep 2013 #96

Results matter in the real world, not the latest bonfire of the vanities. freshwest Sep 2013 #213

Up next: Obama's telling his volunteer base to go home in 2008 beerandjesus Sep 2013 #100

Well said. freshwest Sep 2013 #204

Psst, he should've offered cupcakes and gas masks. joshcryer Sep 2013 #235

Will, when you've been reduced to quoting Torygraph hyperbole your point isn't as well made msanthrope Sep 2013 #11

It's delusional...knr joeybee12 Sep 2013 #12

The only 'master plans' come from this guy's world. randome Sep 2013 #14

The Increasingly Orwellian flavor of public discourse is creepy and pathetic. woo me with science Sep 2013 #18

Blah, blah, Orwellian, blah, blah. phleshdef Sep 2013 #22

You forgot "Stasi!" nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #28

Well that certainly showed him. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #53

I think he hurt some feelings with that one! Rex Sep 2013 #142

It is with the GREATEST pleasure that I co-sign every word of your post, especially the expletives Number23 Sep 2013 #87

Goodbye, Number23 sibelian Sep 2013 #106

Bye, whoever you are! Number23 Sep 2013 #112

I just got the same meassage Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #134

Ciao baby snagglepuss Sep 2013 #198

Now yours is a name I DO vaguely remember and considering the racial quality of your posts Number23 Sep 2013 #288

Aren't they pesky little posters? Rex Sep 2013 #144

Rex, why you feel compelled to frequently talk AROUND me while trying so hard to pretend that you Number23 Sep 2013 #290

YEAH THOSE WORDS ARE ALL SO PLAYED OUT, GET NEW LESS ACCURATE ONES bobduca Sep 2013 #294

++++! haikugal Sep 2013 #27

^This Hydra Sep 2013 #38

They're changing stories and lying at warp speed. jsr Sep 2013 #110

Yes, very much so. sibelian Sep 2013 #111

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #206

You're just saying that because you hate Obama mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #24

Oh, God. Ever since 'Into Darkness', my daughters have latched onto TOS. randome Sep 2013 #37

just keep thinking of tribbles, dude mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #41

Just keep repeating this: NuclearDem Sep 2013 #62

not only did he make the russians blink warrior1 Sep 2013 #25

+1, based off passed actions and not blind allegiance but some hate him so it doesn't make a diff uponit7771 Sep 2013 #35

They had to change plans because they really had no support Cleita Sep 2013 #26

The Libyan Civil War Was Started Under Bush, Obama Just Continued That Policy HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #262

He's playing 11-dimensional chess!!1! meegbear Sep 2013 #29

Seems to me that this incident is analogous to the Cuban Missile Crisis. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #31

I don't find it so. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #57

My analogy is not focused on PR, but simply on the *mechanisms* (underline, italicize) of communicat LanternWaste Sep 2013 #90

We all just need to remember that we're playing for the same team, Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #33

Wow - your reply title line just speaks VOLUMES, Baitball Blogger. calimary Sep 2013 #58

I have my moments. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #73

A lecture from William Pitt on magical thinking. sufrommich Sep 2013 #34

lolololol. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #75

I'm not afflicted with hero worship lyonn Sep 2013 #36

very well said. Thank you. Whisp Sep 2013 #46

I needed your shoutout!! lyonn Sep 2013 #65

Thank you for your reasoned remarks. Skidmore Sep 2013 #118

Well-said. The "hero worship" namecall is wrong and unnecessary CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #55

Thanks Grrl lyonn Sep 2013 #68

THIS.^^^^ calimary Sep 2013 #86

That was the silliest part of the comment SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #124

Excellent rant. freshwest Sep 2013 #214

but, but, but: he's smarter than EVERYONE noiretextatique Sep 2013 #39

Walk it back snooper2 Sep 2013 #40

Painful seeing the "Thank the Lord for Obama's TOTAL POLITICAL VICTORY" DirkGently Sep 2013 #42

Your assessment is spot on. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #51

It isn't worth getting upset about n2doc Sep 2013 #43

+1... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #83

The altar must be lit jsr Sep 2013 #115

And + another 1 2naSalit Sep 2013 #119

Rec'd, but I disagree on one point. xfundy Sep 2013 #44

Personality cult, and it is very dangerous to any working democracy nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #45

Just starting? woo me with science Sep 2013 #49

Yup. but at times you need to say things nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #52

Trust in your President equates to a personality cult? philosslayer Sep 2013 #63

See, he has not been proven right time and time again nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #67

Syria is well on its way to be being disarmed of its chemical stockpile?! frylock Sep 2013 #93

No, it isn't luck. sibelian Sep 2013 #109

Putin and Palin, DU's new heroes. Whisp Sep 2013 #135

... sibelian Sep 2013 #162

ok Whisp Sep 2013 #167

You don't seem to have a response. nt. sibelian Sep 2013 #265

"Syria is well on its way to be being disarmed of its chemical stockpile"? WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #228

lol. Whisp Sep 2013 #47

Thank you for helping distinguish truth from fiction in this Syrian bomb/not-bomb episode. 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #48

Maybe you weren't paying enough attention to what the other hand was doing while the one hand KittyWampus Sep 2013 #50

Elvis' guitar has been discovered on the MOON...Prove that statement is wrong. Tikki Sep 2013 #54

Your hair is on fire Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #56

It didn't work out the way I expected, but... Blanks Sep 2013 #60

I Agree With Your "Or Else" - In That the Anti-War Anti-Corporatist Dems Need To Say "Or Else" HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #269

"They got it wrong. Then they got it right." Iggo Sep 2013 #61

Apology accepted. Robb Sep 2013 #66

rec. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #69

they still don't have it right bigtree Sep 2013 #71

You aren't a racist ... you're over complicating things. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #85

He was bluffing unless he was prepared to be a war criminal. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #101

'War criminal'??? WTF? ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #195

Have you been living under a rock? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #210

No, I haven't been living under a rock. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #220

do your own research, it's easy. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #229

The initial burden of proof rests on the one making the assertion-- Debating 101. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #307

I'm overwhelmed. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #309

I wasn't playing. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #314

If a deal was not reached he was going to strike, it was not a bluff. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #237

Way to miss the point. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #255

evil motives? That's a judgment I haven't made. Committed to military strikes, no matter what bigtree Sep 2013 #233

Your first sentence has the evil plan right in it. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #238

your characterization, not mine bigtree Sep 2013 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #76

K&R n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #78

The game is called poker...and you have to be willing to follow through... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #81

Frankly, I think the criticism on this has been nitpicking. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #82

Any argument about yesterday's developments on Syria is futile if it's premised on: ProSense Sep 2013 #84

But what about the hundreds of Syrian children that we're told Assad gassed azurnoir Sep 2013 #132

Right, Cuz No One Ever Heard Of Using a Credible Threat of Force to Achieve Diplomatic Ends Before? Skraxx Sep 2013 #92

No, they never presented the carrot, only lobbied like rabid dogs of war for the stick. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #105

Wow, the fact that this diplomacy was EFFECTIVE and military strikes were AVOIDED really bothers you Skraxx Sep 2013 #107

This fallacy is so common there's actually a name for it beerandjesus Sep 2013 #116

LOL! Ahh Yes, Assad's Giving up His CW's Out of the Goodness of his Heart! Skraxx Sep 2013 #133

That one has a name too beerandjesus Sep 2013 #137

Your condition has a name Skraxx Sep 2013 #141

Nope. It's called 'disappointment'. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #145

You're disappointed there's no bombing? Skraxx Sep 2013 #152

Yep, you figured me out. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #156

Don't feed the trolls. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #170

Ha, I did step into that one, didn't I? beerandjesus Sep 2013 #295

Plonk them SOB's bobduca Sep 2013 #297

Some people have got a lot invested in certain things, so no, they can't give in. freshwest Sep 2013 #222

This One Seems Like An Operation Mind Crime Type Post! bobduca Sep 2013 #298

The Russians are very skilled in diplomacy, chess, and brinksmanship. Flaxbee Sep 2013 #94

I don't see this as absurd at all. They did what I would have done. Zorra Sep 2013 #95

I guess that blows the "9-Dimensional Chess" theory all to hell and gone. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #97

Yeah, but it REAFFIRMS the 11-dimensional chess theory!! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #299

"Up and at 'em kids! We're here!" lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #113

HA! Nice selection. nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #219

exactly Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #117

I think some people here miss the Bush years IronLionZion Sep 2013 #120

Bah hah and chuckle. We all saw the same show, the difference is SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #121

"Your need to constantly call the president 'Mr. Obama' is telling." WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #125

No, the cake is yet to come..... beerandjesus Sep 2013 #131

1. What do I win? and 2. It's pretty sad that's your SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #138

Catch a clue, here's a free one! bobduca Sep 2013 #248

Mr. President is not Mr. Obama SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #259

I'm just glad Kerry gaffed Sky Masterson Sep 2013 #122

double entendre Whisp Sep 2013 #126

The gloaters think we forget that they were PRO-WAR. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #130

Umm, I Was Pro-Effective, Hard Nosed Diplomacy Backed Up by Credible Threats of Force Skraxx Sep 2013 #136

Step 2: Magical thinking at its finest. No other force or work was necessary. Don't ruin the magic. freshwest Sep 2013 #225

Like Gadaffi Gave Up His Without Missile Threats? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #270

beerandjesus, they are not pro-war per se Skittles Sep 2013 #149

Whatever gets you through the night n/t michigandem58 Sep 2013 #139

K&R. Rex Sep 2013 #146

I put those nitwits on Ignore Skittles Sep 2013 #148

NOT EVEN WORTH AN ASSKICKING ANYMORE. Rex Sep 2013 #160

correct Skittles Sep 2013 #181

He would notice right away Rex Sep 2013 #182

he sees it daily from the repukes he deals with Skittles Sep 2013 #191

And THEY, the GOPukers DO Rex Sep 2013 #193

well said. unfortunately we still see the usual handful of fringe Democrats representing their Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #150

That's an interesting comparison.... MNBrewer Sep 2013 #155

Yep. I just got accused of being pro-bombing beerandjesus Sep 2013 #157

This...^ TommyCelt Sep 2013 #151

Putin has magical *nipples* n/t Tveil Sep 2013 #161

I never thought you were an 'obama hater'.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #163

Yugoslavia? Yes, Too Bad The USA STARTED That War Just Like In Syria HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #271

Where's Willie? Whisp Sep 2013 #164

When I lived in DC we referred to this as damage control. TBF Sep 2013 #165

Excellently said. blackspade Sep 2013 #169

When Mitch said he was against military intervention, I just knew we were on the efhmc Sep 2013 #171

Nice post. The sneering reaction of the "Friends of Obama" is embarrassing. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #173

I don't think you are going to get an invite to the BOG Christmas party this year Marrah_G Sep 2013 #176

I think GWBush created a national PTSD felix_numinous Sep 2013 #177

thank you DU for enforcing civility. this post surely deserved to be hidden Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #178

Um...what? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #184

no. just keeping your magical thinking post kicked Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #185

Consider yourself disciplined. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #192

If only it were mescaline... Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #188

I'm glad. because being entertained should be about 50% of the reason we come here Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #189

this is way better than some cable reality show. Whisp Sep 2013 #236

Posts hidden by Jury: 13 Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #240

My slightly different interpretation of events cprise Sep 2013 #194

^ THIS ^ mac56 Sep 2013 #197

Yup. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #199

Watching this train wreck of people bound and determined to see Obama as some kind of Brilliant... Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #203

Best Summary Yet. Thanks For That HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #272

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #311

They have to think Obama is playing chess, just being lucky does not suit them. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #212

Yet another blunder by the OP gulliver Sep 2013 #216

We are well practiced at the art of stumbling into war randr Sep 2013 #217

K&R NealK Sep 2013 #218

Thank you! n/t Triana Sep 2013 #221

what we have here is a failure to communicate stupidicus Sep 2013 #223

Olive branch back atcha, Will. Hekate Sep 2013 #224

logged on just to rec this and another post 2banon Sep 2013 #226

Totally agree. paulbibeau Sep 2013 #227

I love the way your posts bring out the kneepad rah rah crowd RetroLounge Sep 2013 #234

no master plan here... Obama has clearly just bumbled his way through this paulkienitz Sep 2013 #250

Seems to me that you're the magical thinker... TekGryphon Sep 2013 #251

Playing against the establishment is always a winner on DU. Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #256

I personally don't give a sh*t what Pitt and other critics "would have" done.. TekGryphon Sep 2013 #261

Hard to disagree with your observations. Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #263

AWESOME post. Number23 Sep 2013 #304

Stumbling to success... nikto Sep 2013 #252

Will, what's your solution? Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #253

As the United States isn't sufficiently well trusted in the region to act as broker sibelian Sep 2013 #310

This message was self-deleted by its author Whisp Sep 2013 #260

Agreed MFrohike Sep 2013 #268

I would actually agree with this assessment Skittles Sep 2013 #276

K&R emsimon33 Sep 2013 #273

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #274

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I think the "First Law of Holes" is probably a fair assessment. DFW Sep 2013 #279

Dear Mr. Pitt, you are especially talented with your way with words. Ninga Sep 2013 #281

Why? Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #285

Well journalism with a heavy dose Ninga Sep 2013 #287

"the team-sports thing in politics is always awesome" Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #293

This message was self-deleted by its author free0352 Sep 2013 #283

Hear hear! The n-th dimensional chess stuff sounds more like Pee Wee Herman... JHB Sep 2013 #284

Putin says he, Obama discussed control over Syrian chemical arms ProSense Sep 2013 #286

One more post and reality will shift to match your spin! bobduca Sep 2013 #300

Hate to break it to you: ProSense Sep 2013 #301

No you love to break it to me bobduca Sep 2013 #302