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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts) Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:27 PM Sep 2013

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That was pretty goddamned incoherent, frankly. [View all]

I found that address to be an eloquently delivered ball of fundamental incoherence.

The rub: Gas sucks, dead children are terrible, so I want to attack, but we're working on a diplomatic solution, yet if you're on the right and love the military, or if you're on the left and love human rights, you totally have to look at the dead kids on YouTube and get behind me on attacking Syria even though I've asked Congress to suspend the vote and we're pursuing diplomacy so there won't be an attack, or something.

Gobldeygook. Tell me I'm wrong.

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That was pretty goddamned incoherent, frankly. [View all] WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP

It was disorienting to say the least... PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #1

I'm cutting him a lot of slack - he has to play all sides right now reformist2 Sep 2013 #372

"We won't be sure of his true intentions until all this is over" MNBrewer Sep 2013 #385

You sir, are correct. I mean you are not wrong. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #2

Summary: "Assad, I'm not bluffing. Take the deal." JoePhilly Sep 2013 #3

Exactly. joshcryer Sep 2013 #18

And the less obvious sub point ... there for those paying attention ... JoePhilly Sep 2013 #27

Yeah, that was pretty impressive, too. joshcryer Sep 2013 #37

Obama expected the American people to back him. former9thward Sep 2013 #50

I don't think so. joshcryer Sep 2013 #63

After the Shit that W pulled, Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #92

+1 davidwparker Sep 2013 #288

Five years between Vietnam and Reagan's election "to make America strong again" bananas Sep 2013 #369

The correct position? former9thward Sep 2013 #97

That is a bold faced lie. 90% is destroyed. joshcryer Sep 2013 #108

I expect you will be making excuses in 2023. former9thward Sep 2013 #121

We have 365 tons of Sarin + VX and 500 tons of mustard gas. joshcryer Sep 2013 #143

You are an apologist for American bullying. former9thward Sep 2013 #210

They have to build facilities. joshcryer Sep 2013 #214

So they built facilities for 90% of it former9thward Sep 2013 #423

Bush cut the funding for 8 years! joshcryer Sep 2013 #510

US on the right side of this issue? former9thward Sep 2013 #520

Rachel was just talking about this. The US HAS destroyed nearly all its stockpiles. Hekate Sep 2013 #237

Ohh and that building is going to take at least 10 years to build..... former9thward Sep 2013 #420

go ahead. tell me I'm an apologist for American bullying. cali Sep 2013 #394

Ignorance is bliss heaven05 Sep 2013 #411

some people are so mad at the country for various things they'll be in denial about stuff like this. dionysus Sep 2013 #422

And some people have facts. former9thward Sep 2013 #425

^ proves my point dionysus Sep 2013 #427

not something in your possession in this case. n/t cali Sep 2013 #435

Another chemical weapon expert on DU! former9thward Sep 2013 #424

Please Read this Article on the Storage of Chemical Weapons. CherokeeDem Sep 2013 #405

So a MIC jobs program! former9thward Sep 2013 #426

I suspect.... CherokeeDem Sep 2013 #439

Please explain why it was not complex to destroy 90% of the stockpile... former9thward Sep 2013 #443

Although I am a scientist by education... CherokeeDem Sep 2013 #451

Thank you for your comments. former9thward Sep 2013 #456

I take nothing at face value... CherokeeDem Sep 2013 #462

Good Article Gothmog Sep 2013 #449

Wow this is good to hear. felix_numinous Sep 2013 #499

Interesting, this aspect. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2013 #138

Not the UN, it's a separate entity cooperating with the UN. joshcryer Sep 2013 #153

I agree with you. Cheviteau Sep 2013 #403

So what's the shelf life of some of these chemical weapons? YOHABLO Sep 2013 #232

Sarin, mixed, very short. Mustard gas, very long. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #249

The stuff we gave Saddam had a maximum shelf life of 8 to 10 years. RC Sep 2013 #252

Yeah, Saddam buried his stuff. joshcryer Sep 2013 #272

He also did destroy most of it. RC Sep 2013 #280

If I remember correctly, he agreed to allow the UN inspectors back in... Blanks Sep 2013 #389

Actually, the decision was made well before that. RC Sep 2013 #407

Of course you're right on the timeline... Blanks Sep 2013 #438

PNAC also targeted Syria. bvar22 Sep 2013 #452

check this out Skittles Sep 2013 #344

Seen it. joshcryer Sep 2013 #345

what were they saying about Putin when Snowden..... Skittles Sep 2013 #346

I state only facts. joshcryer Sep 2013 #347

hey, I hear you Skittles Sep 2013 #348

Oh, OK, Russia is already against a UN plan: joshcryer Sep 2013 #349

the plot thickens Skittles Sep 2013 #350

+1,000 nt MADem Sep 2013 #442

"I state only facts," you say, just before blaming Russia for all of Syria's dead. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #460

Had Assad gone the Bahrain route there would be no civil war. joshcryer Sep 2013 #509

In that case RainDog Sep 2013 #80

Why would he expect that? Explain that arguement please. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #86

He said so. former9thward Sep 2013 #104

I asked WHY he would expect the American people to support it. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #117

He was bluffing. former9thward Sep 2013 #128

Congress has a lower approval than VD.... MADem Sep 2013 #445

He also said he needs Congressional backing. joshcryer Sep 2013 #122

He never said that at the beginning. former9thward Sep 2013 #136

And he never said he doesn't have the power to act unilaterally. joshcryer Sep 2013 #162

So how is that a rejection of the Unitary Executive doctrine? nt Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #178

Because he said he'll listen to Congress. joshcryer Sep 2013 #185

Sorry joshcryer but I'm just not seeing it. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #197

No President would ever do that. joshcryer Sep 2013 #200

I agree with you that no president would do that. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #216

The NFL? mimi85 Sep 2013 #269

You cannot be serious... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #106

Yet another person who does not follow the news. former9thward Sep 2013 #191

I don't? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #198

So you are saying the American people backed him? former9thward Sep 2013 #204

No...did I say that? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #207

Every post you make, makes a little less sense. former9thward Sep 2013 #212

I think Vanilla Rhapsody mimi85 Sep 2013 #279

There is generally a good precedent that you let them know that all options are on the table CAG Sep 2013 #192

And Obama is the "everything's on the table" President. joshcryer Sep 2013 #195

Yes, funny thing is........ George II Sep 2013 #231

I think it is very strange that... Ferretherder Sep 2013 #294

^ THIS ^ mac56 Sep 2013 #410

Thank you, my friend... Ferretherder Sep 2013 #504

During a GOP Presidential Debate, cynzke Sep 2013 #458

EXACTLY! Ferretherder Sep 2013 #505

I love you LukeFL Sep 2013 #43

Oh puke!!! U4ikLefty Sep 2013 #66

Lol! Jamastiene Sep 2013 #170

A little too obvious with that one... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #413

What I can't agree with my fellow DUer? LukeFL Sep 2013 #519

You noticed the Unitary Executive thing, too? He was directly referencing the Youngstown decision, msanthrope Sep 2013 #76

Bingo. nt JoePhilly Sep 2013 #96

That it went right over the head of the OP is understandable, but regrettable. He did something msanthrope Sep 2013 #101

WTF? Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #87

You are unfamiliar with the Youngstown decision? nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #111

No, I'm familiar with Youngstown. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #139

When he said that he had the authority to act, but believed that this authority was msanthrope Sep 2013 #149

I disagree. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #156

We will have to agree to disagree. nnt msanthrope Sep 2013 #164

Agreed! Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #169

That's the second time I've heard that from his lips: Unitary Executive, GOP wetdream since Nixon... Hekate Sep 2013 #234

Yes, it's so important to read between the lines to really understand this president. gtar100 Sep 2013 #365

Exactly LukeFL Sep 2013 #35

Obama needs this deal as much as al-Assad. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #42

Assad needs it WAY more. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #58

al-Assad could have taken the military hit. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #114

He lost on the strike. TWICE. Obama's stuck. DirkGently Sep 2013 #160

And ONLY to public pressure. Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #227

"dick-waving macho "don't call me a wus, Bill Clinton," crap?" brush Sep 2013 #395

Exactly. somethingshiny Sep 2013 #415

Pootie desperately needs the situation to be status quo ante bellum or he's out a small fortune. MADem Sep 2013 #213

Obama's in a box now. But he's handling it. DirkGently Sep 2013 #118

I think everyone will be happy - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #152

My thoughts also brush Sep 2013 #391

That's it. Pretty clear to me, too. Not at all "incoherent." nt MADem Sep 2013 #64

When he started talking about 'pinpricks' AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #475

He didn't lose me. There was a method and a reason in every word he uttered. MADem Sep 2013 #477

He needs to stop reacting to their idiocy AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #485

He's not reacting, he's just acknowledging their existence. MADem Sep 2013 #521

He is reacting to their idiotic statements AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #522

How do you legitimize stupidity? MADem Sep 2013 #523

By reacting to it as if it is legitimate AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #524

There was no drama in Obama's brief remark. You're trying to create some, though, and I'm MADem Sep 2013 #525

That is rediculous AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #527

It is not "ridiculous." MADem Sep 2013 #528

You are claiming that the Tea Party are Obamas constituents? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #529

I hate to tell you this, but even the KKK and those Stormfront nuts are Obama's constituents. MADem Sep 2013 #530

Oh, so they have his ear too? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #532

Now you're just being combative, obtuse, and offensive. MADem Sep 2013 #533

I'm stating fact AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #534

You apparently don't understand, won't grasp what I am saying, and I'm tired of arguing with you. MADem Sep 2013 #535

I know exactly what you are saying AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #536

That's what I thought! graywarrior Sep 2013 #109

That's what I heard. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #133

I heard that too: Not bluffing, but giving peace a chance. Hekate Sep 2013 #229

You really believe this deal was Obama's idea. Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #262

Touché! Carolina Sep 2013 #296

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #490

Awesome post! +1 beerandjesus Sep 2013 #390

So Putin gave Snowden asylum as a way to give the finger to the US Number23 Sep 2013 #432

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #489

I take great comfort in the knowledge that the number of people that think that Putin Number23 Sep 2013 #495

I agree with everything you said...until the very last line. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #440

Assad, I'm not bluffing, you know how much money we'll make off WWIII :) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #270

I need some ketchup for my crow. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #466

Military strikes in national security interest of the US. Make my children safer. The Link Sep 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Awknid Sep 2013 #48

Dubya explained all this some years back. We gotta kill them truedelphi Sep 2013 #243

It reflects the confused situation of today quinnox Sep 2013 #5

Not only was it incoherent, I had the impression that the President knew it. winter is coming Sep 2013 #6

100% correct Mr. Pitt Crimson76 Sep 2013 #7

tell you you're wrong? I THINK YOU ARE WRONG. trueblue2007 Sep 2013 #8

Like the ones killled by our own drones? Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #45

Yes. In Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Libya. Now we need to Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #46

I liked his speech too but, Politicalboi Sep 2013 #69

The children we kill won't be wreathing in pain golfguru Sep 2013 #266

I hope you are kidding. nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #363

Yes, and I hope you noticed my sarcasm tag. n/t golfguru Sep 2013 #448

Flying body parts are better than asphyxiation. jsr Sep 2013 #293

The haters are mad there will be no US attack on Syria Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #9

He was supposed to announce that SHOCK and AWE #2 had started. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #34

No confusion. former9thward Sep 2013 #61

Then why would Russia try to help with some deal? JoePhilly Sep 2013 #72

Russia looks like a peacemaker to the world. former9thward Sep 2013 #98

Except no one in the world believes that, no one. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #127

You are not the world. former9thward Sep 2013 #132

Only America haters think that dbackjon Sep 2013 #258

Yeah, America love it or leave it!!! former9thward Sep 2013 #418

+1,000 nt MADem Sep 2013 #159

I am ONE - maybe the only one? "America looks like a warmonger" . . . damm straight. ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #357

Considering Russia is arming Assad mythology Sep 2013 #242

Pootie doesn't want the USA to target any piers in Tartus, that's the real bottom line. MADem Sep 2013 #267

America has lost the "long game" and the world knows it. former9thward Sep 2013 #417

Maybe Eko Sep 2013 #103

Because Russia knew Obama was not bluffing. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #130

To keep Assad in power, which blocks the pipeline Russia doesnt want DJ13 Sep 2013 #115

Strikes weren't intend to remove him from power. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #125

Mission creep began to mention regime change DJ13 Sep 2013 #173

Um.....McCain isn't President nor does he speak for President Obama Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #201

Go ahead DJ13 Sep 2013 #206

The key words being: Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #377

If there's not to be any attack on Syria... Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #39

PRESSURE! LukeFL Sep 2013 #49

If the President wants to apply pressure... Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #59

Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!! LukeFL Sep 2013 #67

Well, I'm having a hard time understanding because frankly, it makes no sense. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #102

Shhh, they're too busy looking into his dreamy eyes U4ikLefty Sep 2013 #77

Gee--I thought his detractors were too busy critiquing his eyebrows .... MADem Sep 2013 #189

Bwahaha! Still trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! How many lost on popcorn stock? freshwest Sep 2013 #455

I don't think a lot of the detractors on this thread are going to like the home page today either... MADem Sep 2013 #457

Woot! Let me go take a peek and be back. Thanks, MADem! freshwest Sep 2013 #459

Actually no iandhr Sep 2013 #93

Applause! LukeFL Sep 2013 #180

PBO asked Congress in May. Guess what the focus was at DU then? freshwest Sep 2013 #479

Please get off that kick. It is asinine. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #54

+1,000 jackpine suffragette Sep 2013 #90

+1 sarcasmo Sep 2013 #268

How far from reality must you be to even conceive of such a thing? Cal Carpenter Sep 2013 #140

Well said. Thank you. -The Sane DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #292

That's pretty much what I was thinking. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #326

it's a sick suggestion and that indicates what kind of a brain comes up cali Sep 2013 #396

Oh stop that. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #182

Excellent Carolina Sep 2013 #264

^^^This post is right on target^^^ DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #297

You have learned something CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #433

+1000 burnsei sensei Sep 2013 #484

I don't need anything related to Syria to bash Obama. Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #211

People who feared Persian Gulf War III (if not WW III) are "haters"? Peace Patriot Sep 2013 #218

"It's a TINDERBOX." arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #450

Right-Wing Media's Love Affair With Putin Continues Over Syria Weapons Proposal freshwest Sep 2013 #290

This is a complete non sequitor but I truly needed snagglepuss Sep 2013 #441

You're welcome. Apply liberally as needed! freshwest Sep 2013 #470

If you start with "The haters..." you have conceded you have no argument. morningfog Sep 2013 #313

What about if someone calls me a cultist? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #327

What an assholish comment. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #393

that's the most insane thing i've read here in a long while noiretextatique Sep 2013 #488

No, you're not wrong. You pretty much summed it up. forestpath Sep 2013 #10

I dont think he even really neede to give the speech..unless we were bombing tomorrow NightWatcher Sep 2013 #11

It was scheduled on the eve of the Senate vote, and I believe it was originally intended winter is coming Sep 2013 #60

I missed it, but assumed it would be whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #12

Yep, that would be my call too. truedelphi Sep 2013 #245

I'm with you tom_kelly Sep 2013 #13

It was an awful speech that focused more on bombing than diplomacy Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #14

It was pretty damn simple, actually. joshcryer Sep 2013 #15

The whole world was watching or listening. Every word was deliberate and had purpose. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #16

Well said. But still, some miss 'the beloved pair' running the country: freshwest Sep 2013 #472

Transcript, for those inclined to read it struggle4progress Sep 2013 #17

Words. Me. Am. Not. Able. To. Read. joshcryer Sep 2013 #23

Yeah, that's about right. n/t cigsandcoffee Sep 2013 #19

Chris Hayes nailed the fundamental contradiction. DirkGently Sep 2013 #20

Yes, he did nail it, as usual. winter is coming Sep 2013 #26

Best way I've ever heard it put. 1awake Sep 2013 #123

I give you permission to quote Chris Hayes! DirkGently Sep 2013 #135

ha... yea i know, but you caught it not me so... thanks! n/t 1awake Sep 2013 #150

This needs to be its own post! Thanks! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #220

+1,00000000000000000000000 grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #273

Excellent description. jsr Sep 2013 #304

THAT as the BIG one. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #319

Bang on. snagglepuss Sep 2013 #444

I think he is setting up the 'diplomacy' for failure merbex Sep 2013 #21

No, actually he is setting up Assad and Congress quaker bill Sep 2013 #166

Pul-eeze...He nailed it !! jessie04 Sep 2013 #22

Can You Cram A Few More Cliches In Your Post? HangOnKids Sep 2013 #311

You aren't wrong, Will. In_The_Wind Sep 2013 #24

That's pretty much what I heard, too. Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #25

I heard the man ask for some time to continue to pursue a diplomatic solution to completion. Skidmore Sep 2013 #28

don't talk about balls, Will. nor incoherence. Whisp Sep 2013 #29

The glory days are no more, and peace is bor-ring. Speaking of the rule of balls: freshwest Sep 2013 #474

Betty White has something to say about 'balls'. Whisp Sep 2013 #476

Yes, you are totally correct. RebelOne Sep 2013 #30

I think you're wrong. Avalux Sep 2013 #31

But he certainly reminded us he can take action if he choses. snappyturtle Sep 2013 #53

You're embarrassing yourself at this point. DevonRex Sep 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #305

Yeah, I apologize for that. DevonRex Sep 2013 #310

Thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #316

You're welcome. DevonRex Sep 2013 #322

+1 tallahasseedem Sep 2013 #421

You are wrong. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #33

Some posters on this site know only one gear. And they crank that gear right into a tree. nt bluestate10 Sep 2013 #506

It made perfect sense johnd83 Sep 2013 #36

I agree. I understood what the President was doing. Diplomacy with a big stick at the ready bluestate10 Sep 2013 #507

Can't believe you don't know him yet LukeFL Sep 2013 #38

cut and paste rewrite.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #40

OK: YOU'RE WRONG. jazzimov Sep 2013 #41

It was perfectly clear to me. phleshdef Sep 2013 #44

It was perfectly clear if you didnt have your fingers in your ears going VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #190

-1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #511

Looks like one of the la la la group has chimed in VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #512

Ha...looks like the one who almost got blocked today who people say is rude ALL Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #513

blocked? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #517

Thanks for the summary version. I wasn't about to sit through the whole thing. BlueStreak Sep 2013 #47

Of course not... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #193

I give him credit for the good things that he has done. BlueStreak Sep 2013 #221

that made me laugh out loud... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #223

I flipped through the first 15, and all of them BlueStreak Sep 2013 #238

No you didn't say...you said NOTHING. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #244

I said "I give him credit for the good things that he has done." BlueStreak Sep 2013 #257

No it has NOT.... where the hell do you people get this stuff? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #263

so good to hear someone acknowledge that. bigtree Sep 2013 #51

Sorry, but you're wrong. It was pretty succinct to me. n/t Darkhawk32 Sep 2013 #52

1745 Dimensional Chess NoOneMan Sep 2013 #55

.... davidpdx Sep 2013 #158

He's an embarrassment Shampoobra Sep 2013 #56

Freshly Painted Eyebrows? otohara Sep 2013 #94

Sorry, that wasn't very clear Shampoobra Sep 2013 #199

Black POTUS Has Always Had Black Eyebrows otohara Sep 2013 #224

Your links show that they weren't, as I had thought, "freshly painted" Shampoobra Sep 2013 #255

Very weird observation. Reagan dyed his whole head at 80+ and PBO is going gray at 50-something Hekate Sep 2013 #228

It's That Bad Here At DU otohara Sep 2013 #265

I was feeling low down after reading all the fighting Enthusiast Sep 2013 #341

What's most disheartening is we are wasting so much time and effort on this Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #57

+1000 forestpath Sep 2013 #75

+1000!!! This endless bullshit in the middle east decade RKP5637 Sep 2013 #202

Oil and Israel, it is what's for dinner... forever. harun Sep 2013 #217

We have become the Middle East's CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #431

Well, I think you're wrong, but you're looking for approval here, so I'll leave it at that. MADem Sep 2013 #62

LOL! n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #68

I couldn't help myself.... MADem Sep 2013 #112

"He never said 'I want to attack.' You should listen more closely." WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #79

Not the same as "I WANT TO ATTACK" ..... genius. MADem Sep 2013 #119

"There is a contingent who love to see him fail and hate to see him win." ProSense Sep 2013 #157

I saw that utter mess....and I just walked away. MADem Sep 2013 #171

I don't think Pitt has hair... Whisp Sep 2013 #253

Here he is begging for money.......... 4bucksagallon Sep 2013 #331

This video Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #353

Someone said he had no hair...... 4bucksagallon Sep 2013 #356

My "beef" Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #358

So you and a maybe a couple hundred others are members of his "fan club" big deal. 4bucksagallon Sep 2013 #366

Summer hathaway is right: you ought to delete this. Raine1967 Sep 2013 #388

Your reading comprehension Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #482

That's pretty asinine. Those of us calling you out all disagree with the OP.... Hekate Sep 2013 #531

+ a million, Summer. I 100% agree with MADem that this OP is nothing but a Will Pitt "look at me!!" Number23 Sep 2013 #434

I'm with you and MADem on the OP Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #483

Naw, he nailed it. bravenak Sep 2013 #65

Help me out here, what exactly is 'it'? Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #81

Making the case against chemical weapons. bravenak Sep 2013 #126

We are going to buy Assad's cooperation, just like we always do and call it a 'diplomatic solution' Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #161

I don't remember him saying that. bravenak Sep 2013 #179

Russia is nothing but the broker of this deal, Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #196

No they aren't. They have a direct and DIRE interest in averting missile strikes. MADem Sep 2013 #256

That is a tiny port not capable of handling aircraft carriers, it's basically a re-supply depot Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #274

Excuse me? You need to KEEP UP with the latest, there, Snake.... MADem Sep 2013 #286

Yes, Russia had a lot to lose. So they put the squeeze on Assad. What's so hard to understand? freshwest Sep 2013 #518

you are wrong. I'll tell you now instead of you waiting Whisp Sep 2013 #70

OUCH. MADem Sep 2013 #124

lol orenbus Sep 2013 #155

Jeez. Who the hell are you and what is that thing? Hekate Sep 2013 #278

That's Palpatine Dash87 Sep 2013 #409

That's hilarious! n/t DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #308

Could care less about this argument, but that picture made me LOL Dash87 Sep 2013 #408

It's a malady of the those who have intelligence without wisdom: a tendency to jump to their alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #284

so...were we supposed to "do something" now? nashville_brook Sep 2013 #71

His eyes got a bit of a "glint" mentioning we don't do "Pinprick Strikes." KoKo Sep 2013 #73

Kindly explain this 'glint' you see in his eyes. I'm fascinated by this. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #83

No you're not. U4ikLefty Sep 2013 #88

Yes--I am. On a batshit insane thread, I find the poster who sees a 'glint' in the President's msanthrope Sep 2013 #95

LOL! Glint Easwood talks to empty headed 101st Chairbornes. Whisp Sep 2013 #146

The we "don't do pinprick strikes" thing obviously refers to the fact that America has such an arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #454

I had no problem, following it at all. quaker bill Sep 2013 #74

I wish I could rec your post. Avalux Sep 2013 #89

What friggin' complexity? truedelphi Sep 2013 #240

^^^^THIS post makes this trainwreck of an OP worthwhile. I wish I could rec this post of yours.^^^^^ MADem Sep 2013 #145

I just do what I can, when I can.. quaker bill Sep 2013 #181

Thank you for this post. JohnnyLib2 Sep 2013 #154

Best post of the thread. Craploads better than the OP. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #205

Agreed. QB should make it an OP. n/t FSogol Sep 2013 #376

+1, Quaker Bill. See, all you people who wished you could Rec this, I just did! :-) nt Hekate Sep 2013 #271

Magnificent reply. Thanks for that. Number23 Sep 2013 #436

I understood it perfectly iandhr Sep 2013 #78

I didn't listen to it myself bhikkhu Sep 2013 #82

The President has never taken the position we must act immediately struggle4progress Sep 2013 #131

Oh thank god. noamnety Sep 2013 #84

"he had no shame in explicitly identifying and defending American exceptionalism" winter is coming Sep 2013 #137

Did he actually mention American exceptionalism by name? truedelphi Sep 2013 #248

He ended by saying America is "exceptional." noamnety Sep 2013 #370

Ew-w-w. truedelphi Sep 2013 #493

..the exact word I was thinking of earlier today after reading.... Tikki Sep 2013 #85

Sorry I disagree Beaverhausen Sep 2013 #91

"And a failure to stand against the use of chemical weapons would... embolden Iran" - Obama grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #99

I thought it was a short speech without much substance. Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #100

Hey, we want you to stop using chemical weapons while tsuki Sep 2013 #105

Gobbledygook is what I heard also but....... Little Star Sep 2013 #107

Yeah, cuz you expected, what, exactly? Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #110

+1,000 nt MADem Sep 2013 #184

I felt like it was Bush talking and I really hated that feeling Generic Other Sep 2013 #113

Bush talking? Hell, it wasn't *that* incoherent. winter is coming Sep 2013 #142

LOL. True enough Generic Other Sep 2013 #188

Agree with you Carolina Sep 2013 #287

You are wrong. rury Sep 2013 #116

I think it reflects the fuzziness of the situation. BlueCheese Sep 2013 #120

As it was put up thread... 1awake Sep 2013 #129

The one thing the President got wrong was suggesting that the 'Right' support our military Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #134

The POTUS IS CONFUSED. rsmith6621 Sep 2013 #141

he is not conused at all quaker bill Sep 2013 #194

He is in no way, shape, or form confused. Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #226

"Tell me I'm wrong". Okay you're wrong. nt 4bucksagallon Sep 2013 #144

Oh my...indeed! eom Purveyor Sep 2013 #147

Was a little mixed . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #148

He wants to attack them, but his buddy, Putin, Jamastiene Sep 2013 #151

Obama got himself suckered into a schoolyard standoff King_Klonopin Sep 2013 #359

He doesn't have a clue LittleBlue Sep 2013 #163

And let's not forget the reason he is 200 votes short in the House - 72% of all American voters truedelphi Sep 2013 #254

Exactly LittleBlue Sep 2013 #260

frankly william..... chillfactor Sep 2013 #165

It is this way from forcing the facts to agree with the narrative. Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #167

Yeah erpowers Sep 2013 #168

I've sat through it twice, and it was poorly done. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #172

Thank you. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #208

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #219

"vile propaganda cherry on top" arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #461

I read and re-read your post 3 times. Well done and thanks. russspeakeasy Sep 2013 #235

K&R Carolina Sep 2013 #291

Thanks You... haikugal Sep 2013 #330

Good post. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #337

That was very eloquent. Thank you. And it had totally truedelphi Sep 2013 #352

An anecdote about land mines... Maedhros Sep 2013 #486

May I offer you a friendly hump day truedelphi Sep 2013 #492

Thank you! Maedhros Sep 2013 #494

Spot on. Celefin Sep 2013 #361

Well said, thank you! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #397

marvellous, thoughtful post Supersedeas Sep 2013 #464

Thank you Savannahmann. sibelian Sep 2013 #481

I didn't watch, crim son Sep 2013 #174

+1 newfie11 Sep 2013 #175

No, it wasn't. madamesilverspurs Sep 2013 #176

I find Whisp Sep 2013 #177

That was campaign Obama Marrah_G Sep 2013 #183

Cue the hyperbole. JaneyVee Sep 2013 #186

They Call the Wind Maria Whisp Sep 2013 #187

LOL. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #463

Why do you invite people Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #203

Gobldeygook (aside from being hard to spell) fadedrose Sep 2013 #209

Ha. It's incoherent to understand the desire to stop a dictator from gassing people? GEEZ nt Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #215

Exactly what the Bush fan club said about Saddam Doctor_J Sep 2013 #225

Are you serious? Hardly the same. Bush and Cheney were lying and making shit Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #282

Thats why they said it.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #355

And what about Kerry's claim that Syria's chemical weapons are a threat to the US? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #381

Why yes--coming from the head of a country that is the chief weapons supplier to the world eridani Sep 2013 #360

circumstances required an entire new speech and he seemed to keep half of the old one carolinayellowdog Sep 2013 #222

The situation is pretty fluid LuckyTheDog Sep 2013 #230

You have been so exactly right on the mark. dkf Sep 2013 #233

Did Obama write this speech? kentuck Sep 2013 #236

You Are a Fool mrchips Sep 2013 #239

+1 n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #247

Oh whatever. truedelphi Sep 2013 #261

Check The Profile HangOnKids Sep 2013 #317

Holocausts. Nazis. Must. Kill. Hitler. jsr Sep 2013 #301

Will is one of the "cool kids" who will lose his street cred if he ever admits he was wrong scheming daemons Sep 2013 #314

What is with the constant name calling? Other poster calls Will a fool, then you Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #416

I know who you are Skittles Sep 2013 #324

By that metric, I know of some Holocausts that you're ignoring... nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #364

I don't think it was as incoherent as all that. I think you're wrong on this one. nt Hekate Sep 2013 #241

One thing was clear... The Midway Rebel Sep 2013 #246

Yeah, it's clear we should watch them. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #467

His worst speech that I can remember (n/t) Ocelot Sep 2013 #250

I had no problem following and understanding it. wisteria Sep 2013 #251

You are wrong dbackjon Sep 2013 #259

Barack rarely fails to kill it. KamaAina Sep 2013 #275

YOu aren't wrong, but we have to be less wrong than the republicans. Is this the way? Mellow Drama Sep 2013 #276

This train is never late. cliffordu Sep 2013 #277

I love the part where Assad is a threat, but obxhead Sep 2013 #281

Yes. Just like the US military "does not do pinpricks," woo me with science Sep 2013 #298

pinprick < unbelievably small < Iraq arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #471

When the wall came down and the cold war ended I thought this world police shit would stop. L0oniX Sep 2013 #283

I stopped watching it after about 4 minutes. davidwparker Sep 2013 #285

You need to watch the whole thing. Darkhawk32 Sep 2013 #300

It was muddled and pointless. jsr Sep 2013 #289

I didn't listen to it; I read it. And it seems coherent enough to me. pnwmom Sep 2013 #295

Yes Sir! You are wrong. zwyziec Sep 2013 #299

couldn't you just make an Obama is a poopy-head salad for the same results? sigmasix Sep 2013 #302

Just listened to it again nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #303

And for those promulgating the Master Chess Player Theory . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #306

Ahem. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #325

A point made in another thread . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #328

How did Obama Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #332

OMG -- the delusion in this -- there are no words n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #333

If you are seriously suggesting . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #334

you might want to rephrase ... n/t Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #335

Indeed -- done. Thank you. n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #336

No prob. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #340

Well, why don't you walk me through this Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #339

"You know an enemy is committed when they move ammunition" adirondacker Sep 2013 #329

Hahaha, yes! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #398

Can't weigh in... had my own meeting... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #307

Aw, poop on that. You should read the transcript. TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #309

I have, it is just as bad. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #318

It was coherent to anyone with a triple digit IQ and no anti-Obama agenda scheming daemons Sep 2013 #312

No. He might not have said what you wanted to hear, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #315

My fellow Americans, I need some some new speechwriters. Or at least a copyeditor to make sure part avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #320

Hey Will, I think your Rec count is down a little BootinUp Sep 2013 #321

gobblygook kardonb Sep 2013 #323

And George Bush and his criminal administration are still not in damn jail! Lint Head Sep 2013 #338

K&R. Sounds like they're covering all the bases. polly7 Sep 2013 #342

You're wrong. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #343

Your title sounds like something Newt Gingrich would say, with that "frankly" tick. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #351

No one expected it to please you, Will. iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #354

His comment about his "friends on the left" was a real insult to us. gtar100 Sep 2013 #362

yep G_j Sep 2013 #379

Like I've said before. we know who's really running the media and the gov't in this country Roland99 Sep 2013 #387

Yet TomClash Sep 2013 #367

He should've led with the deal. rucky Sep 2013 #368

This message was self-deleted by its author michigandem58 Sep 2013 #371

Only to those who have a brainlock that Obama is a warmonger. DCBob Sep 2013 #373

Yep! "Obey international norms, or we'll violate an international norm and blow your shit up." backscatter712 Sep 2013 #374

If Obama farts it doesn't sound or smell right. 6000eliot Sep 2013 #375

Ive been here a long time WP and this is the first time I disagree with you Nightjock Sep 2013 #378

He sounded a lot like somebody who had the opponent inside his loop and can't adjust Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #380

Worst speech of his Presidency. 99Forever Sep 2013 #382

He should've had Bill Clinton write that speech for him - TBF Sep 2013 #383

interesting the level of discomfort Nitram Sep 2013 #384

You just don't understand 11-dimensional chess Roland99 Sep 2013 #386

Here's where you're wrong. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #392

Please support this effort for peace. Donate now. jsr Sep 2013 #402

Really? rtracey Sep 2013 #399

First thing I said to my wife when it was over: "I don't really know what he just said!" beerandjesus Sep 2013 #400

He don't have any friends on the left anymore. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #401

You are not wrong. LWolf Sep 2013 #404

RE: Splicing some stuff about diplomacy into an already prepared pro-war speech at the last minute. No DUplicitous DUpe Sep 2013 #480

fear hate stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #406

Hey stonecutter357, Librarian's are awesome people. They do have that nasty habit of saying shhh Autumn Sep 2013 #412

Just good ol fashion Dyslexia! stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #465

It's all good. I found it funny, in 2nd grade our Librarian Autumn Sep 2013 #468

The President Makes The Case ProSense Sep 2013 #414

So what is your end game, WilliamPitt? What is the purpose of this post? randome Sep 2013 #419

you're wrong. you heard what you wanted to hear Will. dionysus Sep 2013 #428

nope goatmilker Sep 2013 #429

Yup CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #430

It was a perfectly coherent expression of hypocritical policies... Orsino Sep 2013 #437

Hear Hear. You absolutely nail it. nt snagglepuss Sep 2013 #446

He's got a better delivery than Bush. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #447

I guess President Obama has never seen the photos of the DEAD BABIES... bvar22 Sep 2013 #453

Or burns from the White Phosphorus we used in Fallujah FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #473

Should have used the time to say: Syria looks like we can find a sollution.. so let me use this glowing Sep 2013 #469

Pretty god-damned incoherent RW gibberish always suck mightily indepat Sep 2013 #478

Pity you aren't President, eh? MineralMan Sep 2013 #487

Sad but true. marble falls Sep 2013 #491

Poll: 69% of Americans Viewed Obama’s Syria Speech Positively, 61% Favor His Approach Tx4obama Sep 2013 #496

I just watched it (I am always a day late) Skittles Sep 2013 #497

It reminded me of a Jerry Lewis sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #498

Noam Chomsky's commentary on Obama's Syria speech is important to hear Catherina Sep 2013 #500

"All things to all people." malthaussen Sep 2013 #501

I wish I could tell you that you were wrong... kentuck Sep 2013 #502

Thanks Kentuck Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #515

Your hate runneth over n/t michigandem58 Sep 2013 #503

I don't think he'll be showing his face here again. Whisp Sep 2013 #508

Amen to the Nth degree !! thanks MD58 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #514

Wrong about Rove. Wrong about Ritter. gulliver Sep 2013 #516

You are wrong. Rex Sep 2013 #526