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Jackpine Radical

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29. My objections are somewhat broader. Here is the text of an op-ed I wrote some years ago:
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 11:11 AM
Sep 2013

As an ex-field psychologist for the state Department of Corrections, I imagine I have met more murderers than the average citizen, and I have very little sympathy for them as a class of people. Why, then do I oppose the death penalty in Wisconsin? I assure you that my opposition to the death penalty has absolutely nothing to do with tender feelings for anyone who would deliberately kill others. Rather, I am very worried about the consequences of passing a death penalty on the state as a whole.

Four arguments are commonly made in opposition to the death penalty. Let me review them before moving on to the particular concerns I want to discuss. Here, then, are the traditional arguments:

First, we have no need for a death penalty to protect ourselves from murderers because Wisconsin law permits us to put them in prison for life without hope of ever being released.

Second, it is expensive to seek the death penalty. Studies in other states have shown that it costs more to sentence a murderer to death and then wade through the appeals process than it would have to simply imprison the criminal for life.

Third, there is always the possibility of executing an innocent person. Some people seem to think that the use of DNA evidence is an absolutely certain means of avoiding such errors, but that is simply not so. Any number of events, ranging from misbehavior on the part of police officers to errors at the crime lab, could bring about terrible miscarriages of justice.

And fourth, there is no evidence that the death penalty deters crime. Just consider for a moment—can you imagine criminals thinking to themselves, “I want to go on a killing spree, but they will put me to death if they catch me, so I won’t do it. However, I would go out and murder a bunch of people if all I had to face was life without parole.”

If you think the death penalty is somehow going to make you safer, how do you explain this?—Murder rates per 100,000 population range from a low of 1.2 in Maine to a high of 13.0 in Louisiana. Twelve states, including Wisconsin, have no death penalty. The average murder rate for these states is 2.90. The remaining 38 states have the death penalty. Their murder rate per hundred thousand residents is 5.3. The probability of this being a chance result is less than one in a hundred.

At 3.3 murders per 100,000, Wisconsin has a slightly higher murder rate than the average for states without the death penalty, but considerably lower than the average for states with the death penalty. Why, then, should we be in any hurry to legalize the death penalty and thereby join the group of states with the higher murder rates?

Another question—Might there be something about having a death penalty that causes states to have a higher murder rate? As a psychologist, I think there may be a connection. Let us make no bones about it. To approve the death penalty is to assert that it is permissible for a large number of people—the state—to gang up and put one of its members to death. When a state authorizes executions, it is in effect saying that killing is not only permissible, but is in fact desirable, in some circumstances, including circumstances that do not involve immediate self-defense. Children learn both behaviors and attitudes by the example of their elders. From what we know of child development, there is every reason to imagine that children who grow up in a society that approves the killing of human beings will have lower inhibitions against killing than do children whose society teaches an absolute intolerance of killing.

Wisconsin has never executed a criminal since attaining statehood in 1848, and explicitly forbade the practice in 1853. This is a proud tradition that I believe to be worth keeping.

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fuck Mr. Blunt and Cranky- to be blunt cali Sep 2013 #1
+1000 Puglover Sep 2013 #21
hey Pug cali Sep 2013 #22
Watching the sun set behind my beloved Cotacachi. Puglover Sep 2013 #68
Nope. Iggo Sep 2013 #2
I'm against the DP period treestar Sep 2013 #3
If you support executing anyone ever, you support sometimes executing innocent people. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #4
+1 nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #69
I disagree Marrah_G Sep 2013 #5
I though India sentenced four *murderers* to death?? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #6
^^^^^...and then there's this. ^^^^^ Iggo Sep 2013 #54
Exactly. The headline is a lie. nt. Mariana Sep 2013 #61
No, it's not. They murdered the girl by brutally raping her. riqster Sep 2013 #62
No. I am unalterably opposed to the death penalty MineralMan Sep 2013 #7
My objections are somewhat broader. Here is the text of an op-ed I wrote some years ago: Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #29
Excellent. Should be an OP. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #76
The death penalty is medieval and barbaric and an embarrassment to the United States. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #8
No death penalty. LWOP-Life With Out Parole nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #9
If I thought they'd actually keep it and not change it later, sure. riqster Sep 2013 #16
fucking ridiculous. first to use that anomoly as an example cali Sep 2013 #19
What I am is a rape survivor. riqster Sep 2013 #26
so am I. YOU sure the hell don't speak for me. cali Sep 2013 #33
I would never dream of speaking for you. riqster Sep 2013 #36
sorry, sicko porn fantasies of executions deserve nothing but cali Sep 2013 #40
Once again, assuming you understand my motivations. riqster Sep 2013 #46
oh please, there's no issue too small. you enjoy insulting others here. bettyellen Sep 2013 #51
that's just bullshit. cali Sep 2013 #53
wow, I'm surprised this is news to you. bettyellen Sep 2013 #56
Have you thought about anger management? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #72
I'm sorry for what happened to you, rigster! Sissyk Sep 2013 #60
I'd say that's the exact same as one of the more pragmatic reasons for petronius Sep 2013 #25
Then why are rates of violent crime roughly half what they were 20 years ago? nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #77
How about paedophilia? sibelian Sep 2013 #10
Louisiana already does that IIRC. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #13
That, too, is rape. nt riqster Sep 2013 #17
A society that can't find a better solution than the DP is in trouble. marmar Sep 2013 #11
Absolutely not. The death penalty is utterly barbaric. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #12
Like I said, I respect complete opposition to the DP. riqster Sep 2013 #14
castration? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #73
Welcome to Saudi America MNBrewer Sep 2013 #75
+1 nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #78
"Maybe there's another way" -- but then again there's no evidence that the DP would work fishwax Sep 2013 #90
Yes .. throw away all sense of moral decency Trajan Sep 2013 #15
They were sentenced to death for the rape And Murder of the girl gollygee Sep 2013 #18
They should suffer the same torture that RebelOne Sep 2013 #57
I disagree I don't think there is ever a reason to employ the death penalty! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #20
I clicked the link. How fucking dare you? cali Sep 2013 #23
what a stinking pile of shit Mr B&C deposited. And LIES. He's a fucking liar of the worst kind. cali Sep 2013 #24
Yeah, that some sick stuff NoOneMan Sep 2013 #30
See post 26. And learn not to make assumptions. riqster Sep 2013 #32
I wouldn't be suprised if adding the DP would make ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #27
I think it would make survivors of rape less common. Mariana Sep 2013 #42
Good point. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #48
This is an excellent point. mythology Sep 2013 #85
Im bored of "I opposed the death penalty except...." NoOneMan Sep 2013 #28
No, we should not do the same. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2013 #31
Why don't we just execute all men while we're at it? They suck! Laelth Sep 2013 #34
Sorry, no LittleBlue Sep 2013 #35
No. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #37
killing is killing. spanone Sep 2013 #38
what are the particulars here? cali Sep 2013 #39
Pragmatically: TheDeputy Sep 2013 #41
Yeah, it's expensive but it's also morally indefensible. cali Sep 2013 #43
Right as a deterrent. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #44
Whoever wrote that is a very sick individual tkmorris Sep 2013 #45
No to DP, No to Life Without Possibility of Parole. idwiyo Sep 2013 #47
That would be stupid on many levels The Straight Story Sep 2013 #49
The death penalty is useless and expensive. onehandle Sep 2013 #50
Death is a bit much. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #52
No, death is not a bit much. RebelOne Sep 2013 #66
Yes it is. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #67
Yeah sure, and have taxpayers pay for the next 50 RebelOne Sep 2013 #71
That's what I was implying in my post, with your last two sentences. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #86
No, because capital punishment has never been a deterrent...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #55
Yep. Castration and death by fire. cliffordu Sep 2013 #58
Thank you, Torquemada. rug Sep 2013 #63
I used to work with street kids. cliffordu Sep 2013 #65
You'll have to tell me about that work some time. rug Sep 2013 #80
It broke my heart. Mebbe my soul. cliffordu Sep 2013 #81
Sorry to hear that, cliff. rug Sep 2013 #82
Thank you, my friend. cliffordu Sep 2013 #87
No. They did not. They sentenced 4 murderers to death. uppityperson Sep 2013 #59
Only if you want more rapists to murder their victims to eliminate accusations. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #64
Rape hardly ever ends in conviction. What does the DP do to address the actual issue? RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #70
Which part, exactly, deserves the death penalty here? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #74
They didn't execute 4 rapists Nevernose Sep 2013 #79
We need to take rape - and ALL violent crime - more seriously than we do. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #83
generally trapdoor hanging is gruesome but quick. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #84
Death Penalty LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #88
We've got some really sick people here. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #89
Absolutely not. 99Forever Sep 2013 #91
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