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In reply to the discussion: The Gun Nuts Pushing Recall Are The Ones Who Should Have Guns Taken Away [View all]gtar100
(4,192 posts)72. Regarding the politics of this recall, I think the issue is more complex than two reps getting their
comeuppance because they had the gall to stand up against the gun lobby. This article in Salon I think explains it well:
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/12/colorado_proves_politicians_cant_fear_gun_reform/
In brief:
Despite the recalls being anomalously low-turnout affairs, the national media helped the gun lobby deliver a frightening message to politicians: Vote for modest gun control and face political death.
For all that reductionism, though, there are more nuanced lessons from these elections.
First and foremost, with statewide polls showing that most Coloradans support modest gun control and opposed the recall campaigns, the elections prove that in low-turnout situations, a relatively small group of pro-gun voters can still win the day.
Additionally, with gun extremists issuing threats of violence against pro-gun-control legislators, Colorado Democrats stopped explaining why their gun legislation was so necessary. In light of that, the election results are a reminder that when politicians dont stay on the message offensive, they quickly find themselves on the electoral defensive. This is especially the case when, as a Pew survey documented, voters who oppose gun control tend to be more motivated single-issue voters than those who support gun control.
Do gun owners really resort to threats of violence against pro-gun-control legislators?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/worst-regards-colorado-democrat-lawmakers-threats-gun-control_n_3874035.html
How is that wanting a reasonable debate? Both sides have extremists, but only one has guns to back up the violent threats.
It would seem that both sides of this issue would agree that we don't want innocent people getting killed. So let's take a step back and get away from the rhetorical arguments on both sides and figure out a way to stop it. Remember, not everyone wants to own a gun, myself included, so I would reject out of hand any proposal to require gun ownership as a way to stop violent crime (which to me is a ridiculous argument).
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The Gun Nuts Pushing Recall Are The Ones Who Should Have Guns Taken Away [View all]
TheMastersNemesis
Sep 2013
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Or you can pull a fast one and change the rules by not allowing mail in ballots in this effort...
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#29
Of course you are "glad" to see him over and done with. Only he clearly ISN'T, is he?
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#49
But tonight they sleep soundly in their beds, safe from the hoards of liberals who might otherwise
gtar100
Sep 2013
#7
It all comes as a package. Republicans do not support any of those issues. They are all about the
gtar100
Sep 2013
#37
This is the first I've heard of gun owners wanting changes in laws for their benefit.
gtar100
Sep 2013
#71
Regarding the politics of this recall, I think the issue is more complex than two reps getting their
gtar100
Sep 2013
#72
If it was that simple, why did they change the rules on the mail in balloting?
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#47
Please explain the mechanism by which citing election results is shilling.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2013
#25
I'm pretty much in favor of a universal RKBA; but I'm thinking TMN shouldn't be allowed to own guns.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2013
#56