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JHB

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43. Even more than the rate, it was the distribution
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:00 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Sun Oct 20, 2013, 11:55 AM - Edit history (3)

Borrowing this from a post I made back in March:

Most discussion of tax history mentions the top marginal rates of the past (91% in the 50s, 70% in the 60s and 70s, 50% through most of Reagan's presidency, etc.)

I like to highlight a different aspect: leaving aside what the rates were, where did they kick in? We live in times where people argue "are couples who make $250K 'rich'?" "Should we raise taxes on people who make over $250K? Over $500K?"

Where did these sorts of things lie in the past?

Using the inflation adjusted historical tax bracket tables from The Tax Foundation for married couples filing jointly, let's break it down a little and find out the equivalents in 2012 dollars:

1945:
Total number of brackets: 24
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 14
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 9
Top bracket affects income over: $2,551,044

1955:
Total number of brackets: 24
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 16
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 11
Top bracket affects income over: $3,426,776

1965:
Total number of brackets: 25
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 13
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 8
Top bracket affects income over: $1,457,740

1975:
Total number of brackets: 25
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 9
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 5
Top bracket affects income over: $853,509

1985:
Total number of brackets: 15
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 1
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 0
Top bracket affects income over: $360,650

1995:
Total number of brackets: 5
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 1
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 0
Top bracket affects income over: $386,423

2005:
Total number of brackets: 6
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 1
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 0
Top bracket affects income over: $383,773

2013:
Total number of brackets: 7
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 2
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 0
Top bracket affects income over: $440,876

Special Bonus Gipper edition numbers:
1988:
Total number of brackets: 2 (No, not a typo. Two brackets)
# of brackets only affecting income over $250K: 0
# of brackets only affecting income over $500K: 0
Top bracket affects income over: $57,738
(There was a reason why Poppy Bush had to go back on his 'Read My Lips' line -- this rate was so low it was unsustainable (naturally, they crucified him for it). And every RWNJ wants to go back to this, or lower...)

ALL income tax progressivity for very high incomes was eliminated under Reagan, and has stayed that way ever since.


Let me repeat that last part:
ALL income tax progressivity for very high incomes was eliminated under Reagan, and has stayed that way ever since.

Brackets reached up into the equivalent of millions today. (heck, between 1936 and 1941 the top bracket kicked in at (inflation-adjusted) incomes in the ballpark of $80 million). That had been eroded by inflation, but it was cut off at the ankles under Reagan.

There are plenty of details that can be argued, but the basic structure worked for people trying to get ahead. Now it works for those who already are.

Lies about Ronald Reagan [View all] Dpm12 Sep 2013 OP
This guy was the worst president we have ever had! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1
I think it's a tie between he and gwb heaven05 Sep 2013 #31
Don't forget the big lie that he hated big government! Rex Sep 2013 #2
His biggest lie was Cryptoad Sep 2013 #24
They say he had a soul, but I really question that. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #3
+1000 n/t LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #41
Even his name was a lie. His real name was Imanasshole. russspeakeasy Sep 2013 #4
That's just his first name...His last name was..Andakingsizedassholeatthat... Tikki Sep 2013 #33
That's funny. russspeakeasy Sep 2013 #38
I'm good with all of this, except.. philosslayer Sep 2013 #5
Here's a quick graph I made of the National Debt across those years… Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #25
Where is that "8 billion" debt number from? JHB Sep 2013 #6
~ 900 billion debt combined from every administration up through the end of Carter. Mc Mike Sep 2013 #49
And tazkcmo Sep 2013 #7
Belief is Reagan is just that, belief... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #8
I've always thought of Ronald Reagan as a pathetic, cruel dunce. BlueJazz Sep 2013 #9
hellohhhhh. Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #17
"Pathetic, cruel dunce" is very accurate. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #42
Lowered taxes on the rich.... Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #10
Even more than the rate, it was the distribution JHB Sep 2013 #43
it's sort of like gun control laws isn't it? mnmoderatedem Sep 2013 #45
I stopped being shocked too, and it's why I stress... JHB Sep 2013 #46
excellent post by the way mnmoderatedem Sep 2013 #47
I thought the biggest lie was that he was president when he had alzheimer's hollysmom Sep 2013 #11
It was quite evident... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #13
You are absolutely correct, there was many signs he had Alzheimer's during his second term. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #35
The guy was a bigger crook than Richard Nixon Blue Idaho Sep 2013 #12
Reagan was a venal creature who'd say anything for a blow job. hunter Sep 2013 #14
right Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #18
K and R for the secret cavers Kingofalldems Sep 2013 #15
And another. cordelia Sep 2013 #36
"The only people who like Reagan are the rich who benefited from his policies" - This is not true Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #16
The TEahadist Cryptoad Sep 2013 #23
I think Bill Maher summed it up for me LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #19
K&R This video deserves it's own k&r idwiyo Sep 2013 #39
Reagan put a smiley face on American fascism n/t deutsey Sep 2013 #20
Maybe a better word would be... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #22
Didn't he take office on or about 1980????? Cryptoad Sep 2013 #21
While I agree in principle... cactusfractal Sep 2013 #26
Number 3 is silly oberliner Sep 2013 #27
Slight correction Sedona Sep 2013 #28
Philadelphia Mississippi 1980 chuckstevens Sep 2013 #29
What baffles me Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #30
They have one. Chipper Chat Sep 2013 #37
The lie that drove me over the edge was the one about him being "the great communicator". Grammy23 Sep 2013 #32
True. And Nancy called in mediums with crystal balls xfundy Sep 2013 #34
Reagan was the first to cut the capital gains tax - TBF Sep 2013 #40
That anything close to a majority of the American people ever supported his policies... YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #44
Loved him some taliban tabasco Sep 2013 #48
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