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Nuclear Unicorn

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10. If they didn't have a body count they wouldn't have anything to use to demand more control
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:18 AM
Sep 2013

30,000 gun deaths per year, half of which are suicides. Not once will they talk about alleviating the emotional torment that drives people to suicide. If we had proper intervention services then they would have a plummeting gun death rate and that would lead the public to discount their claims. The pain of others is too useful a political prop.

Uh, right. Lots of ways to kill 12 people on a spree without that weapon, HERVEPA Sep 2013 #1
Likely he was a problem with or without legally purchasing the shotgun. dkf Sep 2013 #16
I was reponding to the part of your post below. HERVEPA Sep 2013 #19
Sorry, don't have any guns. dkf Sep 2013 #53
How does an individual having a gun relate to a well-regulated militia? HERVEPA Sep 2013 #64
Mental health is complex. Gun control is easier. JaneyVee Sep 2013 #35
You must be joking. dkf Sep 2013 #55
Nice To See You Latch Onto a Fresh Way To Stir Shit, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2013 #2
What a terrific example of the two sides failing to find even a modicum of consensus. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #7
If they didn't have a body count they wouldn't have anything to use to demand more control Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #10
Guess what? Fewer guns ==> fewer successful suicides also. HERVEPA Sep 2013 #22
Take the gun, leave the illness --or-- take the illness, gun becomes moot Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #28
Nope. HERVEPA Sep 2013 #65
Yeah, hence the "hooked up" comment. 'Cause I can only think with my vagina. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #66
With You, Sir, I Would Happily Discuss Such Matters The Magistrate Sep 2013 #14
Well, I appreciate that, Sir. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #17
The Main Tell In The O.P., Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #31
You think I'm being insincere in my belief? dkf Sep 2013 #56
I Suspect My Statements Have Been Clear Enough, Ma'am, To Convey My View Un-Mistakeably The Magistrate Sep 2013 #57
You sir, are no true gentleman. dkf Sep 2013 #59
Quite The Contrary, Ma'am: You Pretend To Be A Person With Various Concerns The Magistrate Sep 2013 #60
I'm with you both, NYC_SKP and The Magistrate... OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #32
^^^ A reasonable approach. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #38
Loughner, Holmes, Lanza and Alexis were all known well beforehand to have mental health issues. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #8
And same with Cho (Virginia Tech shooter) as well. n/t devils chaplain Sep 2013 #36
IIRC, the VT murderer was adjudicated mentally incompetent, Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #43
Stirring up shit? How is this not pure common sense? dkf Sep 2013 #18
Do Not Pretend You Do Not Know Your Own Game, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2013 #24
Are you still using the stigmata routine? Is it working? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #33
This One Is Not On Your Side, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2013 #37
I was expecting to read the healthcare negligence, and hence the shooting, happened because of ACA. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #41
you noticed that too, Sir? after the huge meta post, take a hard turn left.. seems now to be dionysus Sep 2013 #48
Hopefully the ACA will change access to mental health care for millions. The NRA-RW always kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #3
Machine Stuttered, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2013 #21
Not to be nosy, but what the hell. I think you replied to the wrong person. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #23
I Did Indeed, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #26
Oh, never mind. Just saw that. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #27
We need more than the ACA. We need to rethink the services we provide. dkf Sep 2013 #25
"And still no results?" jberryhill Sep 2013 #4
Well not for Aaron Alexis obviously. dkf Sep 2013 #29
WTF is the point of your OP? jberryhill Sep 2013 #39
We need to improve the system to identify potential mass killers, and treat them humanely dkf Sep 2013 #70
First, there is no such "system" jberryhill Sep 2013 #73
I'm not talking about involuntary detainment. dkf Sep 2013 #74
Mental health care is minimally available, at best, MineralMan Sep 2013 #5
It seems like oversimplification if the system makes it too complicated. dkf Sep 2013 #34
Indeed. We do need better mental health care. MineralMan Sep 2013 #42
I'm for single payer but since that's been overridden... dkf Sep 2013 #49
+1 we really do need better and more mental health care in the US and LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #54
In Some Cases RobinA Sep 2013 #61
Exactly. I don't think we have the right model both treatment and funding wise. dkf Sep 2013 #69
Consistent support teams? Who's going to pay for that? TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #6
The Alternative -- We would pay for a War on Guns ala the War on Drugs -- Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #15
We should. dkf Sep 2013 #51
Because Reaganites have been gutting the mental health system for 30+ years. Dash87 Sep 2013 #9
Yep. jsr Sep 2013 #11
The NRA should be the #1 booster of ACA given their *concerns* about mental health care Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #12
The ACA isn't good enough. Alexis had the VA...he had access. dkf Sep 2013 #40
He didn't use an AR-15 B2G Sep 2013 #13
James Holmes did. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #20
Which only proves that B2G Sep 2013 #30
Nothing will ever stop anything 100%. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #44
Maybe for the person in question but if that's an excuse to ban a gun for the population... dkf Sep 2013 #47
No it won't. dkf Sep 2013 #46
i didn't know Biden had a favorite spree killing weapon. dionysus Sep 2013 #50
Joe Biden Says No Need To Own Assault Weapons: 'Buy A Shotgun!' dkf Sep 2013 #52
a waiting period like we have in california certainly wouldn't hurt.. frylock Sep 2013 #63
Might not hurt but likely wouldn't have helped B2G Sep 2013 #68
And the VT murderer didn't. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #45
"Shouldn't it be more obvious to mental health providers by now..." Brickbat Sep 2013 #58
I'm A Provider RobinA Sep 2013 #62
Start with Reagan nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #67
Yet it needs to. dkf Sep 2013 #71
In some cases it would be as simple as mental health screens nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #72
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