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Robb

(39,665 posts)
67. Not in this case. What law are they breaking if they say they are selling as a hobby?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:04 PM
Sep 2013

None. That's rather the point.

If I still have them, HappyMe Sep 2013 #1
Awesome! BainsBane Sep 2013 #4
Harassing JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #2
Way to go! BainsBane Sep 2013 #3
Bookmarking for later check in. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #5
Fantastic, thanks! BainsBane Sep 2013 #6
I will call my rep mwrguy Sep 2013 #7
Call them anyway. They need to feel constituent pressure BainsBane Sep 2013 #8
I will mwrguy Sep 2013 #9
I posted this in the gungeon BainsBane Sep 2013 #10
lol, that is pathetic. I did not know the group had safe haven protection and even if it Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #13
Yeah, CT!!!!!!!! BainsBane Sep 2013 #14
Just so we're all clear... pipoman Sep 2013 #11
False BainsBane Sep 2013 #12
LOL pipoman Sep 2013 #15
Did you read the article? BainsBane Sep 2013 #17
From another person, who is not in the business of selling firearms. X_Digger Sep 2013 #19
If all gun sales are already subject to background checks BainsBane Sep 2013 #22
Did you respond to the right person? Your reply does not match my post.. X_Digger Sep 2013 #28
Answer the question BainsBane Sep 2013 #29
Answer what question, the one that includes incorrect assertion? X_Digger Sep 2013 #32
If private gun sales are so rare and the vast majority of sales already subject to background checks BainsBane Sep 2013 #34
You'd have to ask the NRA. I was generally okay with it once it was amended to preclude.. X_Digger Sep 2013 #38
So will you call now? BainsBane Sep 2013 #49
When I see the bill, I will decide. If it's just that, and not DiFi's AWB 3.0, I'll support it. X_Digger Sep 2013 #51
You are missing the point BainsBane Sep 2013 #52
What I'd really like is outlined in post #45. n/t X_Digger Sep 2013 #56
So call and tell them that BainsBane Sep 2013 #59
Wendy Davis already knows how I feel. (And psst.. she agrees with me.) X_Digger Sep 2013 #64
The prohibition on a registry was bogus Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #50
Hence my 'generally'. It was still a niggling doubt in my mind. X_Digger Sep 2013 #53
It created no registry BainsBane Sep 2013 #55
Yes it did Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #61
FBI also agrees with the Gun show Loophole Sheepshank Sep 2013 #225
I know the law pipoman Sep 2013 #21
Laws are meaningless if not enforced BainsBane Sep 2013 #23
Because for the federal government to regulate pipoman Sep 2013 #25
So you want to make sure criminals have unfettered access to weapons BainsBane Sep 2013 #27
FFS..it violates the constitution.. pipoman Sep 2013 #36
All gun sales are not subject to background checks. Jenoch Sep 2013 #238
Of course, I live in your state...... rdharma Sep 2013 #54
It doesn't change the fact that the seller commits a felony if they sell to an alien of their state. pipoman Sep 2013 #63
There is no requirement that a seller is required to obtain proof of the buyer's state of residence rdharma Sep 2013 #66
Don't ask, sell out of state=felony Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #71
I did ask...... and he said he was from here! rdharma Sep 2013 #76
Still a felony Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #79
Prove it! I acted in good faith! rdharma Sep 2013 #81
But did you perform due diligence?..what a reasonable person would do.. pipoman Sep 2013 #90
There is no "due dilignce requirement" in the law. No requirement to obtain ID of the buyer. rdharma Sep 2013 #95
You are talking about knowingly breaking the law.. pipoman Sep 2013 #97
Riiiight, Perry Mason! rdharma Sep 2013 #105
Let your ficticious buyer kill someone with your ficticious gun and see pipoman Sep 2013 #114
It was stolen....... rdharma Sep 2013 #124
So now you're a liar too...lol pipoman Sep 2013 #138
No. I'm not lying...... I'm just illustrating how easy it is to skirt the existing laws. rdharma Sep 2013 #151
"skirt the existing laws" = Criminal Offense.. pipoman Sep 2013 #185
It is illegal to provide alcohol to a minor Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #116
I thought we were talking about guns....... rdharma Sep 2013 #161
you have to make it sweetapogee Sep 2013 #108
I think you should read my posts..... rdharma Sep 2013 #190
You can really buy a gun without an ID? GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #219
No, Pipoman is correct: the only sales* that don't require a background check petronius Sep 2013 #16
There are private people who sell guns at gun shows BainsBane Sep 2013 #18
Private parties can sell to other private parties - at a gun show or petronius Sep 2013 #20
Oh for crying out loud. What's the test for "non dealer" status? Robb Sep 2013 #39
Yes, people do break the law. And the exact interpretation petronius Sep 2013 #65
Not in this case. What law are they breaking if they say they are selling as a hobby? Robb Sep 2013 #67
ATF watches this pretty close Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #74
Yeah, like dozens of arrests every single year. Robb Sep 2013 #80
The problem there is the mentality of the BATF and US Attorneys Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #84
Didn't help that the GOP dragged ATF leadership in front of a House Judiciary committee in 2006 Robb Sep 2013 #91
A thorough and consistent enforcement of the laws we already have petronius Sep 2013 #110
thank you Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #118
People can "say" whatever they want - that doesn't mean ATF, juries, petronius Sep 2013 #75
There isn't one? LOL, you'se guyz.. pipoman Sep 2013 #77
In most states, if you sell more than 4 cars every year, you need a license. Robb Sep 2013 #83
The key word there is "states". pipoman Sep 2013 #86
With FTC oversight. Do you know what the "F" stands for? Robb Sep 2013 #92
The FTC didn't oversee the sale of my 91 toyota last month.. pipoman Sep 2013 #94
The answer is federal BainsBane Sep 2013 #162
The question was/is irrelevant.. pipoman Sep 2013 #184
States rights BainsBane Sep 2013 #160
The 10th Amendment? Colorado and Washington recently? pipoman Sep 2013 #183
Slavery BainsBane Sep 2013 #193
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #206
Then there is the voting rights act and Obamacare, more big government plots BainsBane Sep 2013 #214
If they do so for profit Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #26
So if no or very few guns are sold without background checks BainsBane Sep 2013 #31
Most gun owners I know care less about the checks and more about how they are implemented Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #42
Well said... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #129
It only need include felons and those adjudicated a danger to themselves and others BainsBane Sep 2013 #163
Records at the NICS center, yes Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #164
Why? To prove they did the check? BainsBane Sep 2013 #165
You really should research, and quit repeating blatant lies. Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #167
I asked a question BainsBane Sep 2013 #168
You also told a blatant lie Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #169
A lie means a willful misrepresnetation BainsBane Sep 2013 #171
Ahh, so its OK if you throw around false statements if you didn't mean to... Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #173
You have educated me on what it means to debate in bad faith BainsBane Sep 2013 #177
Of course you no longer care what I say- I provided facts to show you lied Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #170
We were having an productive conversation until you started being insulting BainsBane Sep 2013 #172
You told a lie. I proved it Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #174
Here's a tip BainsBane Sep 2013 #182
You might try following ... oldhippie Sep 2013 #209
I think you are seeing a perfect example of ... oldhippie Sep 2013 #210
If you say pharmacy rather than convenience store, it would be arguable petronius Sep 2013 #186
I read that they don't have to keep inventory beyond something like 60 days BainsBane Sep 2013 #187
I don't think that's the case actually - as dirty as the GOP and NRA may be petronius Sep 2013 #191
I see it as straight forward: profit BainsBane Sep 2013 #192
What percentage of new gun sales do you think are done illegally? Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #198
The reason dealers use pen and paper Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #200
Once again, you are posting bad information Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #199
Thanks for the info LittleBlue Sep 2013 #46
It absolutely may reduce access to criminals if pipoman Sep 2013 #57
our government is checking your background this very second. pls do not call it spying tho nt msongs Sep 2013 #24
Is that your excuse for making sure criminals have unfettered access to guns? BainsBane Sep 2013 #30
While it won't go anywhere with my rethug rep Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #33
I'm sure that must be possible BainsBane Sep 2013 #35
Exactly Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #43
We've discussed something similar many times.. X_Digger Sep 2013 #45
Bingo Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #58
These threads are going swimmingly. pintobean Sep 2013 #37
I called my senators to let them know I support background checks and gun control. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #40
I won't recall my legislators who vote for it. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #41
That's a start BainsBane Sep 2013 #48
Yes, but I'll probably ask for something too like eliminating import bans. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #68
because there just aren't enough guns already BainsBane Sep 2013 #69
the only ones that would be available to civilians are semi-auto firearms. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #72
only M16s prior to 1986 Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #101
I'm a bit of a known quantity, but I'll send a few more notes and report. nt Robb Sep 2013 #44
Awesome, Robb! BainsBane Sep 2013 #47
Challenge accepted etherealtruth Sep 2013 #60
Wonderful! BainsBane Sep 2013 #62
What are YOU going to do about preventing any future or potential HolyMoley Sep 2013 #70
You want me to stump for the gun industry? BainsBane Sep 2013 #73
And here I thought there were calls from the gun control side for 'compromise'. HolyMoley Sep 2013 #78
I suggest the most modest reform BainsBane Sep 2013 #82
So how do you feel about my proposal- background checks done online or via smartphone app Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #88
I said I thought it was a good idea BainsBane Sep 2013 #89
Where did I insist on anything? HolyMoley Sep 2013 #96
No guarantees exist on anything BainsBane Sep 2013 #117
To them, 'compromise' usually means, "I'll only ask for half of what I want right now." n/t X_Digger Sep 2013 #85
Are you fucking serious? BainsBane Sep 2013 #87
Give a little, get a little- that's compromise in politics. X_Digger Sep 2013 #93
This is compromise BainsBane Sep 2013 #98
Compromise entails 'giving a little'-- what are you 'giving'?!? X_Digger Sep 2013 #99
Comrpomise the Wall Street way BainsBane Sep 2013 #102
So, IOW, you're part of the problem and not the solution. HolyMoley Sep 2013 #111
Look, you want criminals to have access to guns, there is nothing I can do about that BainsBane Sep 2013 #125
i might be new here but oh my professor5000 Sep 2013 #120
the right for criminals to access guns? BainsBane Sep 2013 #122
wellet me try and make sense of all this you asked by parsing it. not a gun owner btw. professor5000 Sep 2013 #140
That is the status quo BainsBane Sep 2013 #142
Okay, let's go there HolyMoley Sep 2013 #146
All we need do is extend existing laws to private sales BainsBane Sep 2013 #149
This is why gun nuts should not be allowed on DU and at the very least their posts should not be stevenleser Sep 2013 #221
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #147
Welcome... and goodbye! stevenleser Sep 2013 #224
Mad that your definition of 'compromise' was exposed as a fraud? X_Digger Sep 2013 #128
It's okay, I don't want anything from you, ever. BainsBane Sep 2013 #143
I know, it stings when someone catches you out like that. X_Digger Sep 2013 #145
"Ignore function"? HolyMoley Sep 2013 #148
Yes, that's how I roll BainsBane Sep 2013 #150
Also your last post was somewhat promising. HolyMoley Sep 2013 #154
Did you even read the OP? BainsBane Sep 2013 #155
Me thinks BainsBane Sep 2013 #166
How will I ever sleep tonight. HolyMoley Sep 2013 #176
I have no business being here? BainsBane Sep 2013 #178
I mean HolyMoley Sep 2013 #180
It was an observation BainsBane Sep 2013 #181
What made you think I "disappeared"? HolyMoley Sep 2013 #188
You said I shouldn't be here BainsBane Sep 2013 #189
The big problem is that gun owners believe that people with your attitude will never be satisfied badtoworse Sep 2013 #141
Even though I disagree with the OP HolyMoley Sep 2013 #158
Some people might even call it ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #211
Well, that poster did say.... beevul Sep 2013 #215
I wondered how you stumbled upon that so long after I posted it BainsBane Sep 2013 #216
"Stumble"? beevul Sep 2013 #218
So sorry, your friend has left the building BainsBane Sep 2013 #217
Feel better now? oldhippie Sep 2013 #220
if it is something you agree with anyway, why would our side HAVE to give something? CTyankee Sep 2013 #222
In any negotiation, there are things you'll give on and things you won't badtoworse Sep 2013 #226
But if you agree with background checks why is that something you "give away"? CTyankee Sep 2013 #227
I'm posturing... badtoworse Sep 2013 #228
It's not what I understand this conversaton was supposed to be about. CTyankee Sep 2013 #231
What post was that? badtoworse Sep 2013 #232
not sure which exact one but there were a few IIRC. CTyankee Sep 2013 #233
It doesn't matter, I doubt anything will happen without a deal badtoworse Sep 2013 #235
Ifyou are correct, then I sense that there was a bit of change of tone by some gun folks. Perhaps a CTyankee Sep 2013 #236
Look at the bright side hack89 Sep 2013 #100
"We" already have the support of gun owners. Robb Sep 2013 #103
Sure. As demonstrated by your unbroken string of success .... oh wait. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #106
I thought this was about compromise BainsBane Sep 2013 #109
Robb certainly doesn't appear to be in a compromising mood hack89 Sep 2013 #115
It is your choice to act in the interest of society BainsBane Sep 2013 #119
I don't despise you. I don't take you that seriously hack89 Sep 2013 #123
I'm not interested in being your entertainment. BainsBane Sep 2013 #131
You cannot deny your true self. Sorry. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #135
I cannot believe these people BainsBane Sep 2013 #107
Stop it... just stop it right there HolyMoley Sep 2013 #126
the problem was I started by conceeding everything to you BainsBane Sep 2013 #127
It is a lovely evening. The stars are out. Nothing we say on this board Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #132
true, but calling your reps can make a difference BainsBane Sep 2013 #152
What is the OP about? BainsBane Sep 2013 #104
I support the background checks. My state has UBCs already. hack89 Sep 2013 #112
It has nothing to do with me BainsBane Sep 2013 #134
What decision? I support UBCs hack89 Sep 2013 #136
I'm good. bobclark86 Sep 2013 #113
You need to put pressure regardless BainsBane Sep 2013 #130
Let's see... LWolf Sep 2013 #121
I'm calling my reps and trying to encourage others to do so BainsBane Sep 2013 #139
You're no trouble. LWolf Sep 2013 #205
It would depend on whether there was a quid pro quo in the bill badtoworse Sep 2013 #133
Okay, BainsBane Sep 2013 #137
See Post No. 141 badtoworse Sep 2013 #144
The background check system needs madville Sep 2013 #153
There are 88 shootings every day BainsBane Sep 2013 #156
We need a national fingerprint registry marshall Sep 2013 #157
Well, you could propose it BainsBane Sep 2013 #159
Picking up my gun tommorow. Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #175
Are you gong to call your representatives? BainsBane Sep 2013 #179
Why do you suppose there isn't already a federal law requiring pipoman Sep 2013 #207
See this BainsBane Sep 2013 #213
I already explained to you how that bill works Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #223
Lets make a deal rl6214 Sep 2013 #194
No, of course that should not be reported BainsBane Sep 2013 #195
Then you run into the enforcement of the private sales reporting rl6214 Sep 2013 #196
Online sales have to be covered. There is no lawful reason BainsBane Sep 2013 #197
You are progressing Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #201
most online sales Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #202
That seems to be a common tactic with regard to online sales Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #204
I do quite a few online deals rl6214 Sep 2013 #208
Actually there are massive loopholes BainsBane Sep 2013 #212
That is why the latest shooter Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #203
I wrote a check to my (non-voting) Rep, Eleanor-Holmes Norton Recursion Sep 2013 #229
excellent, and I support DC voting rights regardless BainsBane Sep 2013 #230
Nothing until we re-tax the wealthy, end costly trade agreements and get a public option. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #234
Sorry to trouble you BainsBane Sep 2013 #237
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