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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
69. And that's why your construct won't work.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:50 PM
Sep 2013

And why the Internet was built the way it was built.

How do you directly connect 6 billion people without violating the fundamental laws of physics? And it's a combinatorial problem - that's not 6 billion connections - each person is going to be connected to more than one other person.

You keep talking about "the current system" and I'm talking about something else.

That's because I'm explaining how to reach your goal with the current system.

You and your friend exchange asymmetric encryption keys (ex. Public Key Cryptography) - the equivalent of handing them one of the pair of your proposed walkie-talkie.
You use your friend's key to encrypt a one-use symmetric key, and send that key to him over the Internet.
You use that one-time key to encrypt the data and transmit the encrypted data over the Internet.
Your friend uses his asymmetric key to get the symmetric key, and then decrypts the data.

What about big brother watching all those third parties? They get unintelligible garbage. That's the point of encrypting the data.

Why is this different than using "https" when you connect to Google? Because Google has an unencrypted copy of the data which they can share. In the scenario above, those 3rd parties do not have any unencrypted data.

What about the NSA and people's fantasies about their super powers? The NSA has two roles - spying on others, and preventing spying on the US. To accomplish the latter, they use tools like the "Advance Encryption Standard" symmetric encryption algorithm. That's what AES stands for in AES-256. The NSA does so because they believe it to be secure. Think there's a back door and the NSA is willing to compromise US security just to read your mail? Well it was invented by some Belgian mathematicians - not the NSA or anyone close to them.

How 'bout if they have magic super powers and do manage to break a message? That's why you use a different key for each message.

I am talking about a direct, wireless and secure connection between two entities.

Then you are talking about violating the laws of physics.

If it's wireless, it's going to have to be RF. There isn't any other technology that is even in the theoretical stage which could do so. So unless you're talking about waiting 20+ years, it's RF.

If it's RF, you are transmitting the data in all directions. Anyone nearby can pick up the signal with an antenna. In addition, you're going to need someone to repeat and amplify the signal if you and your friend are any significant distance apart. Which means you bring third parties back in. So you're going to have to encrypt the data to protect it. Which means you are now doing exactly what I said above, just over RF instead of the Internet.

You're flapping your arms sure that someone will make you fly real soon now. In a very, very long time, someone may invent anti-gravity. Alternatively, you could get on an airplane today.
It Won't Change Until Americans Have Had Enough cantbeserious Sep 2013 #1
Yep. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #22
Unfortunately when they have had enough it will be long too late to do anything. former9thward Sep 2013 #37
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #2
AutoCommonDreamsDURec KG Sep 2013 #3
Two philosophies in conflict with really high stakes: Pholus Sep 2013 #4
Internet - The Aerosol Can of the 21st Century Johnny Ready Sep 2013 #5
EVERYTHING is created before the effect to society is completely understood. randome Sep 2013 #25
[b]The Unknown Unknowns[/b] KoKo Sep 2013 #6
In the last week, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #7
While the invasion of my privacy is not an issue I would change my vote to Romney .... marble falls Sep 2013 #9
yea Romney and the GOP would be doing things alot different! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #14
But the Democrats would be doing something very different if Romney were POTUS Fumesucker Sep 2013 #23
Love those Circular Red Herrings,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #29
More satire, eh? Fumesucker Sep 2013 #31
maybe you will make it,,,,, I will keep my little toad toes crossed for ya! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #33
Reading comprehension much? I loathe Romney. I support the President except on privacy.... marble falls Sep 2013 #36
Obama Haters' seems to crop up in almost every post you make. Autumn Sep 2013 #18
Please reread my comment. I support the Presient except on privacy, Gitmo and..... marble falls Sep 2013 #39
I think your response was meant for crypttoad. Autumn Sep 2013 #41
Sorry! Even gentle critisism of the President brings down a raft of tone deaf .... marble falls Sep 2013 #43
Some genius is going to have to invent the concept of "private internets." MADem Sep 2013 #8
Like connecting directly to the cloud with almost no computer - all you'd need is a screen and ... marble falls Sep 2013 #10
I had a discussion with a military planner - scholar about "virtual reality" MADem Sep 2013 #16
even a direct ip connection has an isp that gathers info & sells that info. Sunlei Sep 2013 #20
Maybe "personal servers". rrneck Sep 2013 #13
My technical skills are probably less honed than yours! MADem Sep 2013 #19
Mesh Net, is what you are talking about. n/t TheJames Sep 2013 #27
Sounds good to me! nt MADem Sep 2013 #28
Are we throwing years of "Keep the Internet Public" out the window???? Cryptoad Sep 2013 #15
Well, that IS a consideration. Perhaps there could be multiple levels of "internet." MADem Sep 2013 #21
The Internet doesn't work that way. jeff47 Sep 2013 #24
And that's how the phone used to work. You picked up the receiver, you cranked the crank, and MADem Sep 2013 #26
No, phones didn't work that way. jeff47 Sep 2013 #30
Not in 1920 it wasn't. MADem Sep 2013 #45
Yes, it really was. jeff47 Sep 2013 #61
I'm afraid you just are not taking my point, for reasons I can't quite fathom. MADem Sep 2013 #62
That's because you aren't bothering to actually read my posts. jeff47 Sep 2013 #65
Your construct involves "the internet" to make the connection, though. MADem Sep 2013 #67
And that's why your construct won't work. jeff47 Sep 2013 #69
No point in continuing this conversation. MADem Sep 2013 #70
I'm not the one locked in jeff47 Sep 2013 #73
Immediate gratification wasn't ever my point. MADem Sep 2013 #74
I'm setting no parameters jeff47 Sep 2013 #75
Well, yeah--you are. Today/for free/the internet are parameters. MADem Sep 2013 #76
No, they're not. I'm using the one condition you started with. jeff47 Sep 2013 #78
I think you need to reread what I wrote, originally. MADem Sep 2013 #79
Depends on what you mean by "an end-to-end single electrical circuit." FarCenter Sep 2013 #49
Funny, though, how many cranks ended up on the interweb! marble falls Sep 2013 #44
OK, you win the thread....! MADem Sep 2013 #46
Yea in a fantasy world Cryptoad Sep 2013 #32
Feel free to provide links. jeff47 Sep 2013 #34
Any commerical OS can provide a backdoor....... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #35
No. jeff47 Sep 2013 #38
No,, just the voice of experience ,,,,,,,,, nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #40
You can sort of do that now FarCenter Sep 2013 #48
Yes, but what I envision would be much less onerous. MADem Sep 2013 #50
K&R but make no mistake, it's not the technology. Like so many previous wrong turns, Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #11
hi MichaelKelley Sep 2013 #12
Keeping out the prying eyes of the government isn't enough. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #17
why do I need this? hfojvt Sep 2013 #42
Well, I'm all for the "safety nannies" who tell people to not drink and text while driving. MADem Sep 2013 #47
well who isn't? hfojvt Sep 2013 #52
Well, if your head hit the pavement and you had no medical insurance.... MADem Sep 2013 #53
and yet, for all those people might care about me hfojvt Sep 2013 #55
Wow. MADem Sep 2013 #56
I am pretty sure hfojvt Sep 2013 #58
Again, wow. MADem Sep 2013 #59
The line between care and control is a fine one. Pholus Sep 2013 #60
I just had a loved one killed by someone who felt the rules didn't apply to them. MADem Sep 2013 #63
Sorry to hear that. Pholus Sep 2013 #71
I just don't see any relation between texting and abortion. MADem Sep 2013 #72
So money is greater than freedoms? Where does that stop? What you eat, drink, etc? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #66
Way to miss the point. MADem Sep 2013 #68
There are differences, as you must be able to see. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #51
except there is, or should be hfojvt Sep 2013 #54
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #57
K & R Quantess Sep 2013 #64
The intent of those who wrote and adopted the US Constitution could not be clearer 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #77
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