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Showing Original Post only (View all)I Simply Do Not Understand Obama's Support Of The TPP. [View all]
He must realize that an American middle class CANNOT exist with such an agreement. And we would have NO sovereignty under such a deal. Besides the TPP is primarily a GOP initiative. And any Democrat who votes for fast track or TPP would be damaged. We found out how voting for NAFTA effected Democrats. Shortly after the GOP won the House after 40 years. And Clinton and the Dems are blamed for NAFTA and not the GOP where it belongs.
TPP is the best gift that Obama can give the GOP. And it is the worst thing he can do to Dems. TPPS means that our workers will compete with emerging markets like Vietnam where the minimum wage is 23 cents an hour.
So I am stumped whether Obama is a corporate Dem or not.
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Funny, that period you described is the one period of real wage growth in 40 years
Recursion
Sep 2013
#8
You got a link for that assertion? Are you counting cooking hamburgers as manufacturing?
Th1onein
Sep 2013
#34
Notice you didn't respond to my request to a link for your assertion. Figures.
Th1onein
Sep 2013
#86
You made the assertion, not me. Of course, when flipping HAMBURGERS are counted as manufacturing
Th1onein
Sep 2013
#95
True, you did not post any link to back up your claim that line cooks are counted
Recursion
Sep 2013
#127
The huge factories where McDonalds assembles hamburgers are classed as manufacturing
Recursion
Sep 2013
#89
Does that include McDonald's and Burger King? That statistic isnt helping American
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#76
So manufacturing more isnt necessarily a good thing. We need to protect American
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#93
I don't think we need to protect *manufacturing* jobs anymore than wheat threshing jobs
Recursion
Sep 2013
#94
It may be good for the giant agriculture corporations but not for workers.
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#75
Neither am I stumped: ye shall be known by your works and this and the Keystone Pipeline would
indepat
Sep 2013
#81
If he were doing that, "they" would have been caught and exposed long ago.
truebluegreen
Sep 2013
#80
I like to use the term COSTLY trade agreements.... It's more accurate and costly is the opposite
grahamhgreen
Sep 2013
#82
Have you bothered to look into the effect that NAFTA had on the jobs in this country?
truedelphi
Sep 2013
#102
They say that he is very smart. Could he be planning for his retirement?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#16
Isn't this the 124on234x234 time were Obama is "supposed" to fuck something up and doesn't?
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#36
I wish people would stop pretending that this is a free trade agreement.
Democracyinkind
Sep 2013
#38
If tariffs magically produced a strong middle class, FDR would have been for them not against them.
pampango
Sep 2013
#107
We didn't need tariffs in the 1930's and 40's. We had a strong union labor movement back then and
B Calm
Sep 2013
#108
People were not making a "livable wage" in the 1930's. FDR lowered tariffs because
pampango
Sep 2013
#113
Everybody loved FDR, but just like Obama, I don't agree with everything he did.
B Calm
Sep 2013
#115
"... the Smoot Hawley Tariff caused almost 0 damage to our economy" seems to be damning with faint
pampango
Sep 2013
#122
I don't understand why a lot of seemingly-liberal Democratic Congresspeople support it either.
Chan790
Sep 2013
#58
Obama may be able to get 'fast track' and the TPP itself through the Senate, but
pampango
Sep 2013
#66
Part of it is racism and ODS but their base has been skeptical of trade for a long time.
pampango
Sep 2013
#71
The deal that Bush had largely crafted years ago, no surprise they supported it.
tritsofme
Sep 2013
#84
23 cents an hour is more than is paid either to Salvation Army for Good Will handicapped workers.
lonestarnot
Sep 2013
#109