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In reply to the discussion: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)167. No, RWers like Rush calling Feminists 'feminazis' and using lies to describe them did that. Not the
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"pedantic little screeds" about preserving our earth and supporting civil rights got you down?
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#2
if you find yourself personally insulted by who are working for a better world...
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#110
Oddly enough, religion is still popular in the USA despite thousands of years of pedantic screeds
Fumesucker
Sep 2013
#5
You need a church to tell you how flawed, imperfect and in need of forgiveness you are?
PassingFair
Sep 2013
#260
I just find it odd that one group offering "pedantic screeds" is popular while others are not
Fumesucker
Sep 2013
#88
i am pretty sure you have not only hit the nail on the head, but hammered it in and thru.
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#132
niceguy, are you suggesting no one is allowed to challenge the OP or they prove why a handful of men
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#66
merely challenge what is being said is defined by others as rude. how much coddling, how low do i
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#72
that is what this whole thread is about. this man and others can be rude, snarky and nasty as they
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#213
And more than some posters don't realize one key thing, because they didn't read the article,
MADem
Sep 2013
#362
Says the poster who directed personal insults at me, indicating that I was "sexist"
MADem
Sep 2013
#366
making stuff up. so, i am not allowed to express myself in this manner either. you will tell me
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#368
rant? isnt that a little, oh, i dont know, vingar'ish. any more insults. really, maybe, but i
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#374
All I can suggest is that you read the article carefully (pay no attention to the headline, that's
MADem
Sep 2013
#380
it is nigh impossible to discuss serious issues without bringing people down in some sense.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#394
conversation is perceived as twice as confrontational when it's a woman who disagrees.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#399
If you look at the abstract of the research project, you will see that they took two
MADem
Sep 2013
#451
No. People are pissed at what talking dog added. But you knew that and have known that and are going
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#455
I am thinking. Thinking I read it on three maybe four posts. See, a hoot. Lol. Nt
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#482
as are you. i dont read your post. in a sentence or two, want to tell me why you are copying my post
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#488
so... no one here said the researchers are sexist, yet you keep posting about it?
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#493
Read the study. It doesn't "reinforce stereotypes." Not the focus or the goal. nt
MADem
Sep 2013
#503
No mind reader here. Just reading your post that said exactly that. But wtf, right?
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#481
if you read responses carefully- you'll see that most had an issue with the editorial added at the
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#478
So no one here called the researchers sexist, but you dislike us all discussing a phenomenon
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#500
so, neither you or the researchers were actually called sexists but you fixated on that idea, shiny
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#507
If you are told "I'll bet you shoot people dead every day" they don't have to call you a murderer
MADem
Oct 2013
#510
not really. there's a BIG difference between saying you expressed an idea that is sexist and
bettyellen
Oct 2013
#511
oh, buck up man. geez. no one called you a sexist. it is a discussion. you said, so i said. here,
seabeyond
Oct 2013
#514
i think copy and pasting and saying.... I SAID, is pretty much owning it. and no, i have no issue.
seabeyond
Oct 2013
#516
i do not care about the study. nor does most on this thread. why will you not let that go. alert.
seabeyond
Oct 2013
#519
So, not only do you refuse to apologize, you double down and insist that it is "OK" to
MADem
Oct 2013
#523
and btw. if i am all that in hateful, wtf are you doing listening to me. cause you ONLY listen to
seabeyond
Oct 2013
#517
seriously? you are still on the study that i told you I. DO. NOT. CARE. ABOUT.
seabeyond
Oct 2013
#522
"pedantic screed belittling people for not behaving and thinking exactly the way you think"
Squinch
Sep 2013
#7
i had never used the word feminist. i have a father and brother that watch fox. i used the term on
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#234
ha ha. well, i have always held my own with my testosterone driven men, lol. i am the grounding
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#243
Apparently you haven' talked to a real feminist in decades if you think what you
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#97
a full 1/3 of your post was about coddling men. and now you'd like feminists to work on men's
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#398
I admitted no such thing. We are trying to rectify injustices, it's really quite simple.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#436
You continue to ignore history to bolster your inaccurate theory. We continue to try to educate
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#440
Let's see. The women's movement has taken women from a condition where they could
Squinch
Sep 2013
#415
please be good enough to give specific examples of that last sentence of yours. and I do mean,
niyad
Sep 2013
#350
My frustrations is comments like "pay women the same as a man doing the same job."
joeglow3
Sep 2013
#57
do look at studies. even in same position, same experience, fresh out of college, men are paid more
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#64
i cherry picked, because you cherry picked an EXCUSE why women make less gravitating
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#74
Single women under age 30 make more money than single men of the same age and qualifications
davidn3600
Sep 2013
#118
bullshit. link.or isnt happening. i provided a good source that calls you opinion as wrong. simple
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#119
Well I dont have any recent stats on hand at the moment, but this was a few years ago...
davidn3600
Sep 2013
#122
wow. apples and oranges dude. college degree vs the men that are not getting a degree.
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#123
False. Women make less than 100% of their male counterparts in the same positions...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#112
No, RWers like Rush calling Feminists 'feminazis' and using lies to describe them did that. Not the
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#167
Please, david, tell us feminists here how we can improve! Do you have suggestions
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#42
how many men have come on this thread, that are well known for dissing womens issues, tell us
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#70
And an OPer that uses polls encouraging stereotyping as an excuse to insult groups of people
Squinch
Sep 2013
#10
my hubby followed mine. start of marriage, he voted bush. by 2004, he voted kerry
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#220
speaking of polls-- I remember reading about one years ago, where sections of the declaration of
niyad
Sep 2013
#483
yup -- and of course "mainstream" activities like "fundraising" are much more easily tolerated
fishwax
Sep 2013
#390
see, being on du for a while we all walk away from the surprise. we want to say we are surprised,
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#143
"pedantic screeds"? More like tons of money spent to caricature those terms and turn people against
MH1
Sep 2013
#15
Wow, surveys involving a whopping 62 respondents in one case, and 228 in another . . .
hatrack
Sep 2013
#17
It's got me thinking, though. That post is an illustration of the reasons why there is no end
Squinch
Sep 2013
#288
"we don't need to appeal" i like your post. i really really like it. thank you. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#299
Thinking about it, I was totally stunned to realize that it has only been 35, maybe 40 years
Squinch
Sep 2013
#306
couldnt even get a cr card or a bank acct. and that was acceptable. though by the time i came to
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#308
Isn't it great to step back and realize that all this silliness these guys are spewing
Squinch
Sep 2013
#416
wow, it's amazing how much ill you are happy to spew when knowing nothing about the topic.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#322
i call bullshit. what vocal feminist is out there that you are hearing that is so damn outrageous
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#339
so your personal attacks and pejoratives are dandy and must be listened to, but no one is allowed
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#340
nah. you worked hard to put a whole lot of insult in each and every post. and something can tell
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#349
now, tell me who this big bad feminist is that is so damn vocal to have turned your whole family off
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#351
I remember someone hear saying it was someone who said "no thank you, I can open the door myself"
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#443
Seems to be inflating his importance just a tad, doesn't he? In his mind he's fighting the
Squinch
Sep 2013
#411
These men on DU who are strongly agreeing with the right's message are a clear indication...
redqueen
Sep 2013
#194
like the proverbial school teacher nun who might slap you on your hands with a wooden ruler
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#27
even ordinary people - including some working class people who are not in any particular position
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#168
so, the option is what? stay silent? say nothing? the reality is... people that speak up and out
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#171
I'm just stating the obvious - and I am not talking specifically about government policy
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#174
you are right. and as i said, those are not the people that any of us, regardless of the issue, are
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#177
Only the one Salon used; Pacific Standard had "Environmentalism? Perhaps. Environmentalists? Ewww!"
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2013
#40
Wouldn't the "pedantic screeds" also count as expressions of feelings? And yet, there are those
Squinch
Sep 2013
#412
When you type "pedantic screed", it looks like you've been proven wrong by someone
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2013
#37
I don't hate you--but then, I am one of those evil enviro feminists, who, frankly, does not give
niyad
Sep 2013
#356
And studies show that nearly everyone in this thread thinks you are full of it.
Sheldon Cooper
Sep 2013
#44
No, only a small group of assholes selected for this study hate feminists and environmentalists nt
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#52
This study is truly depressing to me. My friends, myself and other people of like minded thoughts..
BlueJazz
Sep 2013
#56
I think you do know what you're doing! And I think you will happily survive and thrive
Squinch
Sep 2013
#476
Ah, so you're one of the successfully conditioned "reactives" the study was talking about
villager
Sep 2013
#78
Well, I don't know about "mellowed out," but things have kind of... culminated, recently
villager
Sep 2013
#91
I love it when people pretend to take the high road by taking the low road.
Democracyinkind
Sep 2013
#82
Similar to atheists. A small amount taint the term for the rest of us in the public's eyes.
Throd
Sep 2013
#126
I have no interest in becoming the kind of feminist people like that consider acceptable
BainsBane
Sep 2013
#161
but you know, using "old school marm" was a dig that feminist have endured for decades, right?
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#150
i really did not either until he made another comment about being attacked by others. reading again,
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#155
Just more unfortunate confirmation that all the fact and truth in the universe can't fix stupid.
Zorra
Sep 2013
#94
OMG... i donna think that you were "nice enough" when saying this. you are a
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#125
you have been here a week and a half and this is how you feel about women. do you know how ignorant
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#163
I can give you two folks, one of the leaders in her own words in the interview I did and the person
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#199
but you must have seen them publicize Viktor's attack on their web site in July naming him as
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#203
Kitty Green herself, the movie producer, agrees with me. You believe what you want to believe
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#206
I'll believe what I SAW. Viktor being touted on their website. And the interviews detailing the
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#208
Of course, you disregard all first person accounts and believe what you want to believe. nt
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#211
she dismisses a woman, trying to keep the flow of money, with her very own words contradicting
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#216
When the person tells two different stories? Yeah Steve, I will deduce that one story's a lie.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#229
No, not person, people. Everyone personally involved agrees with me including the outside observer
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#231
Oh gosh, you have no idea, do you? Ignore the history and swallow the bullshit.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#235
hilarious to see someone speak of w/ such authority @ movie they have never seen!
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#251
Your grasp of only accounts that support you discredits your viewpoint completely.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#240
I take into account the recorded history of the group, while you totally ignored it.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#242
You ignore everything that doesnt support your hatred of these fellow 2nd wave feminists.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#286
I actually like them much more than I do the suckers who believe their bullshit.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#381
Actually, it took five minutes- most of that was fed to Steve so he could prepare for his interview
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#385
The kicker is, neither have you. Yet you repeat information from the movie, just like I do. nt
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#246
Nope- repeated what I saw on Femen's website. And read some older interviews on their founding.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#254
LOL, you hadn't even SEEN the movie LOL. WTF? You just repeated whatever that
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#232
Neither have you. But you repeat information from the movie others have imparted to you.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#247
No Steve, I read interviews with Femen's founders and looked at their website. Keep up!
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#252
Reading articles that describe how Viktor and another woman cofounded Femen years ago is cherry
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#259
And immediately you are wrong. Victor came along several years after Femen was founded.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#262
Not according to many articles, the film maker who you tout here.... basically everyone until she
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#264
LOL. And once again, I have the full interview with the person involved. You keep running into that
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#265
Your bias showed when you did not bring up ANY of the many conflicts between her new story...
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#269
I have no bias. Your hatred of Femen for reasons you wont admit to is evident in every post.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#284
you displayed tons of bias in that interview- perhaps you need to run it by a colleague
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#316
Again, if you continue to hate these women so much, you are eventually going to have to say why.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#426
You persist in making shit up. And deflecting completely that you did no backround research for the
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#437
LOL. Steve would like us to forget the big stink they made @ Viktor on their website this July....
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#227
No, I dont want anyone to forget anything. I want all facts considered. Its you who doesnt.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#233
the movie doesn't cover the biggest lies told at all- that's found in their interviews and website
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#237
you call doing basic research "cherry picking", LOL. That's not journalism, it's toilet paper.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#261
What is it about Femen that causes such profound angst, makes it so important to discredit them?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#278
My satire meter is horribly out of whack these days. I just can't tell anymore.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#285
It's like anything else-"Christian" can encompass everything from 'love thy neighbor' to Fred Phelps
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#295
there we go. you two, of all people pattering on about feminism. what a truly fuckin hoot. and no
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#300
ewll there you go steven. another assumption. thank you for correcting me on something you made up
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#431
LOL, this isnt about me, its about you and others whose vitriol against Femen is beyond bizarre.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#422
Ha ha, a little Wiki is a dangerous thing. A B and C are all belittling stereotypes....
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#441
I can and have articulated reasons- they are a fraud. I am not anti porn- I am anti mornonic
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#379
"you and Warren"... I actually haven't offered an opinion one way or the other on FEMEN, actually
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#395
Here is the full interview I did with Inna Schevchenko, one of the main leaders of Femen
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#428
I understand why you attempt to divert the focus from yourself, but I'm not buying the tactic.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#425
thank you for taking the time to spell it out from dot to dot to dot. not like this has not been
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#434
I do notice that some people- speaking of observation- sure enjoy ridiculous caricatures.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#453
If that's the case, that I "think everything is about me" I'm DEFINITELY not the only one.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#464
Just do me one favor, okay? It's not "my" group, and I'm not responsible for anyone's words but mine
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#472
how about liberal. i am sure the few men that are applauding this so stupid study, could be
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#166
people dont like assertive women, men especially do not like assertive women
La Lioness Priyanka
Sep 2013
#179
And most of society doesn't like men doing things that are designated "feminine."
davidn3600
Sep 2013
#187
you made me think about this- what "angry" protesters are not a big "turn off"
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#245
Yep, you nailed it. They LOVE and reward assertive men, and it's interesting to watch.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#207
hey talking dog. why did you walk away from your thread. you flamebait, you insult the majority of
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#181
Yep that's who turns me off feminists and environmentalists who are active in their cause
lunasun
Sep 2013
#182
Yes. That's true. Because gun owners are fighting for their economic survival, and
Squinch
Sep 2013
#290
This has it all backwards (as do many of the folks commenting on this thread).
MadrasT
Sep 2013
#197
are you wagging the finger. tsk tsk. or was the poster you replied to, wagging the finger. hm....
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#217
I am not a climate denier. The problem is you can't accept opposing view points
Harmony Blue
Sep 2013
#310
Opposing points of view are great provided they are informed and intelligent. Yours is neither.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#313
I believe in global climate change that is influenced by anthropogenic sources
Harmony Blue
Sep 2013
#420
Again, the things you are saying do not square with the IPCC report, or the opinion of
DanTex
Sep 2013
#423
Freerepublic polled and every member hates environmentalists and feminists.
NCTraveler
Sep 2013
#212
I'm sorry, are the privileged men having a sad over women refusing to just be submissive eye candy?
NuclearDem
Sep 2013
#215
"recruited via Amazon's Mechanical Turk" = unlikely to be a scientific sampling.
Gormy Cuss
Sep 2013
#219
that is a stereotype. Not all environmentalists and feminists are confrontational and aggressive.
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2013
#239
and what if they are confrontational and aggressive? all types are needed to be heard. raidical
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#244
All types, unless they are Femen, right? They're somehow doing it wrong according to you.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#268
per the womans own words, they are clueless what feminism is and need a man to tell them. wink.
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#302
What woman's own words? Link please. Also, you are now changing what you wrote above?
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#304
Show me the link where a woman said Femen are clueless and need a man to tell them what to do n/t
Violet_Crumble
Sep 2013
#315
it was in Steve's interview w/ one of their leaders. It's mind numbingly foolish.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#317
yep, they didn't understand the whole patriarchy thing till several years in, LOL.....
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#323
I agree that is why Steve did not research. He pretends he wasn't handed links on a silver platter.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#344
Violet, if you want, PM me and I will put you in touch with them so you can hear from Inna
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#429
I'm not obsessed with boobs, and I don't think they're doing feminism wrong...
Violet_Crumble
Sep 2013
#329
Hey, if racist, imperialist feminism which capitalizes on ibjectification is yoir definition of
redqueen
Sep 2013
#331
One of their "aims" is to destroy Islam. There's also some crazy crap about taking over the world..
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#346
dont they want to cut of mens, you know, or is it rip out their heart? what was it? but, hey, show
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#352
“What can be more stupid than Ramadan? What can be more uglier then this religion?”
JI7
Sep 2013
#391
Same with folks who open carry to bring awareness to their rights as well I guess
The Straight Story
Sep 2013
#298
Ah, Is that going to be -today's- ridiculous misinterpretation of something I said?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#311
and wtf are you doing linking me to one of your posts. i was addressing another poster using gun
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#347
I've sort of given up on making this point, but I'll reiterate it anyway.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#272
The fact is, the 'calm down and say it nicely' song and dance is routinely performed by those
redqueen
Sep 2013
#283
So you would say that the European Journal of Social Psychology has an agenda, then?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#305
No. You are NOT stupid. Sadly, even social engineering by Rush Limbaugh works.
Squinch
Sep 2013
#292
I think the lesson of this study is something I learned at my great grandmother's knee:
MADem
Sep 2013
#320
Yes, AND, there will always be a--holes who use this trite "meme" to their advantage.
Quantess
Sep 2013
#336
I think anyone reading the study would take the essential conclusions to heart--IF they wanted to
MADem
Sep 2013
#343
everyone hates liberals also. you want a softer stick MAdem, cause that is not gonna fly on du.
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#353
Posts like yours are what don't "fly on DU." Maybe you need to reread this thread.
MADem
Sep 2013
#359
No, I am not a "hoot." I read the thread, I read the OP, and I even clicked the links to find
MADem
Sep 2013
#364
really? i am not allowed to think you are a hoot? cause i thought you were a hoot? but i guess,
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#365
not enough sugar here either. lmfao. all this joy i am passing to you and you are totally rejectin
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#371
just a gigglin. you have made my night. you take care now. and bless that little heart of yours.
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#377
I've tried it with regular red wine vinegar, and it works great, but again that's grapes.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#462
Yeah I think it's a fruit thing. Haven't seem them go after whiskey or beer either.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#475
now slugs- they LOVE beer! you can dig little swimming pools and sink cups of beer @ ground level
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#480
the biggest problem is removing the cup of slugs in beer without spilling it, or vomiting, LOL.
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#506
Actually I have been quite pleased with this product, since I live in slug country
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#508
what a load of codswallop. just like that whacked "professor" who refuses to use any women's
niyad
Sep 2013
#345
People who believe those stereotypes don't deserve to be pandered to. n/t
mattclearing
Sep 2013
#406
exactly- slowly those around them will be educated, and they will catch up to the new norms....
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#438