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Response to stevenleser (Reply #289)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:12 PM

295. It's like anything else-"Christian" can encompass everything from 'love thy neighbor' to Fred Phelps

I probably shouldn't try on the specifics of "Feminism", for obvious reasons, except to reiterate that I identify as one, and for what I believe are the most broadly, commonly accepted goals and definitions of that label, namely things like reproductive freedom, equal pay, equal rights, etc. I do think there is broad support.

It's a real question, and not so easily answered; are these perceived "pr problems"- are they the fault of reactionary propaganda? Are they the fault of extreme ideological hard-liners inside the movement? Both? Neither?

Let's take environmentalism, since that's probably an easier one for me to opine on without setting off "alarm bells" with some here, and certainly when i self-identify as an environmentalist one would think it wont, at least, trigger a fusillade of eyerolls.

Broadly, one could say environmentalism encompasses wanting to protect the Earth, keep the environment clean. Broad goals which most support. Do the actions of, say, the people who blow up SUV dealerships speak for all "environmentalists"? I dont think they do, but interestingly enough it is those sorts of extremists who are most invested in keeping the label "environmentalist" or real environmentalist, to themselves.

I strongly support action on global warming, but Ive also held that real change is going to come primarily through technological breakthroughs in finding clean ways to power our shit. That's the hail mary pass. Telling people they need to give up their cars- it is just not going to sell, and anyone who claims it is, is deluded. Good, bad, it's just a fact. Maybe that means there is no hope for the planet, but the human animal, I think. Is always going to break in the direction of freedom. Long term.

This is why civil rights has succeeded, why LGBT rights are succeeding. People want to be free, they want to run their own lives, they want to make their own decisions. They simply don't like scolds and authoritarians, much to the perpetual chagrin of the scolds and authoritarians.

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