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CreekDog

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54. which part will we hate a year from now?

Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:08 PM

Sep 2013

community rating is in there.

individual and business mandates are in there.

no exclusions for preexisting conditions are in there.

insurers must issue insurance that covers a range of necessary medical care to all who buy it.

expansion of Medicaid for the very poor.

subsidies will make the now community rated prices more affordable than now.

insurers, unlike prior to ACA will have to spend 80-85% of premiums collected on medical care, not corporate profits.

so what's the thing you are saying we will all hate that's on my list? or what trumps all those things that will make us hate all the good things on the list?

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Do you oppose delaying and defunding Obamacare or not? [View all] CreekDog Sep 2013 OP

Oppose. HappyMe Sep 2013 #1

I think you might want to break down the supports el_bryanto Sep 2013 #2

One cannot divide by zero.nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #4

this poll isn't about what parts of Obamacare people like and don't like CreekDog Sep 2013 #5

Fair enough - but what do you anticipate the results of your poll will be? el_bryanto Sep 2013 #7

I think it's often helpful to have strong statements of general opinion here on DU CreekDog Sep 2013 #8

For that very reason LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #16

A poll with a consensus result is not a waste CreekDog Sep 2013 #19

Unless you're forcing people to vote the way you want leftstreet Sep 2013 #21

it's not a push poll, it's the choice that decides if a gov't shutdown happens or not CreekDog Sep 2013 #31

They can not even get a simple CR passed and you want them to pass Single Payer? krawhitham Sep 2013 #9

I want something better than Obamacare. I don't really intend to apologize for that. nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #22

BUT, do you want to get rid of Obamacare until you get that? CreekDog Sep 2013 #27

No I don't but I can understand how some people might want to el_bryanto Sep 2013 #32

funneling money into the health care system also treats children with cancer CreekDog Sep 2013 #33

Well again that's not my argument - but do you want to prop up a system that helps a few el_bryanto Sep 2013 #35

But Obamacare requires insurance companies to stop denying coverage, TO ALL CreekDog Sep 2013 #36

It also requires everybody to sign up for private insurance with no public option el_bryanto Sep 2013 #37

so you're retracting your statement that insurance companies can deny coverage under Obamacare CreekDog Sep 2013 #40

Yes - we'll see how things go. We'll see if the insurance companies find ways around that. nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #41

Delay it a Year and you will have your Death Panels... yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #3

I support delaying the individual mandate until everything is set up properly. dkf Sep 2013 #6

but if you were in congress how would you vote on the proposals to delay and defund? CreekDog Sep 2013 #10

I would probably vote to not defund but state openly that I would support a delay in the mandate... dkf Sep 2013 #12

you would "probably" not defund? CreekDog Sep 2013 #26

And your problem with that word is what ................... ? cstanleytech Sep 2013 #48

the "probably" part of helping the poor get Medicaid or sudsidized health care CreekDog Sep 2013 #50

"nobody here should be saying ..." So if suddenly a new proposal cstanleytech Sep 2013 #55

don't play games with me CreekDog Sep 2013 #57

Mmm well I am not advocating undermining this program just that one should always keep an open mind cstanleytech Sep 2013 #67

Ditto-dkf Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #11

Where is your vote? RandiFan1290 Sep 2013 #13

I replied above. Not to defund but state my support of delaying the mandate for now. dkf Sep 2013 #14

I have no objection to a small delay if and only if its to make the program better but cstanleytech Sep 2013 #46

removed it from the undecided column CreekDog Sep 2013 #24

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #20

Defunding Obamacare is just the tip of what they are holding hostage... SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #15

Kick. Agschmid Sep 2013 #17

I'll bet you thought there would be "no" votes. Stinky The Clown Sep 2013 #18

No. I posted to show that folks here are unified on this. CreekDog Sep 2013 #23

There are two people arguing for delay in other threads who voted "pass" in this thread. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #28

Yeah, I caught that also. Andy823 Sep 2013 #38

It needs to be implemented to be improved. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #39

I notice that poster already has insurance. Rex Sep 2013 #42

pretty clear, isn't it? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #25

I knew there would be consensus, I didn't know it would be basically unanimous CreekDog Sep 2013 #52

I'm not a big fan of Obamacare Skittles Sep 2013 #29

I think Obamacare is a boondoggle DefenseLawyer Sep 2013 #30

Never negotiate with terrorists. Rex Sep 2013 #34

The construction of the question reminds me of a ballot iniative OmahaBlueDog Sep 2013 #43

it's basically the question that Dems face on Obamacare CreekDog Sep 2013 #44

I was simply making an observation OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #76

It's how the votes are happening in Congress. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #45

Well, rrneck Sep 2013 #47

perfect joshcryer Sep 2013 #49

I oppose delaying/defunding, but know one seems to know everything in it. ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Sep 2013 #53

which part will we hate a year from now? CreekDog Sep 2013 #54

It's 3000 pages long. ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #56

are you really trotting out that Republican BS talking point? CreekDog Sep 2013 #59

I have a feeling you're not really sure what I'm saying, ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #63

So you're complaining about what you haven't read and don't know CreekDog Sep 2013 #65

I am not complaining about anything, you big silly. ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #66

The Mandate is an obsene overreach and should be eliminated hansberrym Sep 2013 #58

Do you support single payer or nationalized healthcare? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #61

No, do you? hansberrym Sep 2013 #71

hmm.....you're not in favor of the PPACA and you're not in favor of single payer steve2470 Oct 2013 #78

I am in favor of the current system in which the poor receive health care because health providers hansberrym Oct 2013 #81

the emergency room? CreekDog Oct 2013 #83

Oh, Skinner just banned you. LOL CreekDog Oct 2013 #85

Everyone who isn't a Paul-humping Libertarian fuckwit supports the idea that geek tragedy Sep 2013 #62

Congress can regulate our economic decisions? Seriously. n/t hansberrym Sep 2013 #69

Heard of the commerce clause? nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #70

Yes, and you? hansberrym Sep 2013 #73

heard of the Supreme Court decision in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius ? steve2470 Oct 2013 #79

Did you read it? Apparently not. hansberrym Oct 2013 #80

You're on the wrong website, given your rightwing views geek tragedy Oct 2013 #84

Hell no! lonestarnot Sep 2013 #60

Can I know what it is going to cost me first? Skip Intro Sep 2013 #64

if you support the Democratic position, i'll eat my hat CreekDog Sep 2013 #68

Only people who want delay are Republicans who want to geek tragedy Sep 2013 #72

The poll asks about delay. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #74

I am stating a fact. A vote to delay is a vote to kill. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #75

well there's laughing at people who are being laid off CreekDog Oct 2013 #77

It should have gone into effect SOONER SoCalDem Oct 2013 #82