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In reply to the discussion: This is not a game, people [View all]no_hypocrisy
(46,067 posts)5. If you have any doubts that Obama is doing everything he can with constitutional constraints,
then consider this: Why do you think he was able to overcome OBL and bring an end to the Iraq occupation? Because the republicans in the House had no constitutional authority to interfere with Obama as far as military operations. He's the Commander In Chief. They only budget for the military. Do you think for a minute that defense manufacturers and military contractors wanted us to leave Iraq anytime soon? Nor do I. If repubicans had their way, Iraq not only wouldn't have ended but it would have incorporated Iran and Syria.
Boehner and Cantor couldn't stop Obama from resolving OBL and Iraq. Almost everything else, Obama's been blocked and sneered at by House and Senate republicans. It isn't him. It's them.
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"sitting out the election" Some people may say that here, but I truly believe that when
teddy51
Dec 2011
#3
I can't see how anyone would sit out the election with both houses of Congress at stake.
GoCubsGo
Dec 2011
#17
Sorry, but those jobs went down the tube with the Bill Clinton NAFTA agreement, as Ross Perot
teddy51
Dec 2011
#45
We are in deep shit - no argument from me. Those jobs are gone but with the Republicans
gateley
Dec 2011
#53
Perot was 100% correct on NAFTA; Al Gore was 100% wrong. Until Al can admit his mistake,
Romulox
Dec 2011
#162
I'm afraid that's the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. President Clinton was the leader of the Party,
Romulox
Dec 2011
#104
Don't know where the fuck that question came from, but no, I'm not a fan of anything
gateley
Dec 2011
#208
It doesn't say any such thing -- that's what you chose to project and read into it.
gateley
Dec 2011
#210
LOL. Nice try at revisionism: "President Bill Clinton - Remarks on the Signing of NAFTA"
Romulox
Dec 2011
#154
I know you didn't. But your pictures don't show NAFTA's ratification into US law. From wiki:
Romulox
Dec 2011
#177
No argument other than to say that Bill Clinton was President when NAFTA was passed. n/t
teddy51
Dec 2011
#107
And Clinton signed it. And Al Gore campaigned on TV for it. But other than that, NOTHING.
Romulox
Dec 2011
#111
Poppy Bush *made* Al Gore appear on Larry King Live to debate Ross Perot? That's silly.
Romulox
Dec 2011
#108
Clinton signed it. I just gave you a link to Al Gore *EVANGELIZING* over it. They own it. nt
Romulox
Dec 2011
#120
Irony alert! The Ross Perot "giant sucking sound" was a reference to Clinton/Gore's NAFTA. What
Romulox
Dec 2011
#72
To invoke "giant sucking sound" to argue that "we must vote for Dems" lacks self-awareness
Romulox
Dec 2011
#105
You're hurting the cause you profess to help through this lack of awareness. That's the point. nt
Romulox
Dec 2011
#156
OK. Spout self-contradictory nonsense all day long, then. None of this matters.
Romulox
Dec 2011
#160
No... Perot was speaking to GHW Bush in a 1992 debate when he made that famous quote.
JohnnyRingo
Dec 2011
#146
Bizarre revisionism! He was referring to NAFTA, signed by President Clinton in 1993.
Romulox
Dec 2011
#164
This would be funny, but no, it's sad. I gave you the Wiki entry on the subject, above. You could
Romulox
Dec 2011
#180
DU was the site of many things, and many argued about the potential consquences.
Capn Sunshine
Dec 2011
#188
If you have any doubts that Obama is doing everything he can with constitutional constraints,
no_hypocrisy
Dec 2011
#5
You are wrong about why Obama left Iraq. He was forced to, because his
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2011
#58
It's not a talking point, it's a fact: Obama admin attempted to renegotiate SOFA
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#212
Those headwinds were not overpowering when Obama came in with a mandate...
wakemewhenitsover
Dec 2011
#61
I expected for him to frame the his agenda with democratic arguments and not
myrna minx
Dec 2011
#63
well yes - that was his biggest failing that he certainly did have control over
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2011
#70
Persuasion? Choice A: Pres. Obama. Choice B: a repubican. How can you NOT be persuaded?
66 dmhlt
Dec 2011
#33
You and 536 others like you gave us Bush in 2000. On behalf of the thousands ...
11 Bravo
Dec 2011
#23
Since you don't care for Democrats who have served, and you despise all Republicans...
JohnnyRingo
Dec 2011
#195
I feel bad for people that held Obama up on such a high pedestal like some God. Newsflash:
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#20
But Fox News said he was the most liberal senator in the history of the country!
JohnnyRingo
Dec 2011
#148
We have a couple other REALLY BIG challenges in the coming year - both houses of the Congress
housewolf
Dec 2011
#21
I like Hillary as well, and would be glad to see her in the WH, but here's the problem:
JohnnyRingo
Dec 2011
#150
We are not happy, but you are correct, Gingrich or Romney would destroy this country..nt.
Stuart G
Dec 2011
#37
Yes it appears that Obama is the best butthead to vote for, of the two parties. However, if we...
webDude
Dec 2011
#56
Like Obama said, don't compare him to perfection. Compare him to the alternative.
lunatica
Dec 2011
#65
I expected him to overcome the filibuster since it was easily done using reconciliation.
eomer
Dec 2011
#66
I'll say it again, because it bears repeating: Obama is the best we are going to get
Taverner
Dec 2011
#78
democracy was supposed to prevent this shit, right? blaming the politicians doesn't help.
certainot
Dec 2011
#97
i agree. and IMO there will be a shitload more trolls this cycle, internet and paid radio callers
certainot
Dec 2011
#93
Obama not addressing ANY of the needs of 99% to kiss the bums of the 1% isn't a game either.
Lionessa
Dec 2011
#106
Nothing Obama has done is anywhere near as bad as what the GOP contenders say they will do. n/t
Ian David
Dec 2011
#137
"Vote for Democrats or else you'll hear the giant sucking sound" = LOL for anyone who remembers '93.
Romulox
Dec 2011
#174
All that I expected was for him to at least make an attempt to do the things he said he would do.
bowens43
Dec 2011
#173
Remember why people voted for Nader because there was no difference between Gore and Bush?
wildeyed
Dec 2011
#179